The Citadel Finecast metal to resin change thread.

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**Kanluwen**

Ruyn's list does look like it's a stock replenishment list rather than full sales list.

If I absolutely had to guess: the other models that aren't on the resin list that Reds8n posted aren't going to be made into resin. One of the things on Ruyn's list is the "Deathwatch Kill-Team Conversion Kit". Another is the Dark Angels Tactical Sergeant(guy in a robe with head bared, chainsword raised over his head, and wearing leather gauntlets over top of his power armored ones), heck there's a Necromunda model on there.

Ruyn's list really looks like it's just "Oh look these are expected to be back in stock on this date".

**CURNOW**

well tbh i hate tin figs and anything that makes it easyer model and convert is great with me .

**ruyn**

RiTides wrote:This is NOT the same list... I got ruyn's list in an email after I placed an order for 2 DE Clawed Fiends (coming in on May 20th, as shown above). These are not mentioned anywhere in reds8n's list. DE Clawed Fiends are coming in on May 20th, and should be shipped then, and I expect them to be all-metal.

However, they were on HBMC's list of models that were being discontinued (which is why I ordered them). But again, they're not on reds8n's list of models to be put out in resin or metal/resin hybrid.

What's with the discrepancy? I.e. Where are the missing models that were rumored to be discontinued, but aren't in the resin list reds8n posted?

I wondered that one myself. I can't explain the discrepancy either, but I'm hoping the models that I ordered that are "delayed" will be resin when they arrive!

**NAVARRO**

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I see Maelstrom added the news we where expecting.

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=new&ref=212

Overall bad news from GW on all fronts.

**Tek**

Wait a minute, resin is a fraction of the cost of metal, but GW are keeping their prices high?

See, this is why I buy my models from eBay.

**Necros**

They're calling resin "finecast"? I guess FW won't be making them then?

**ruyn**

Kanluwen wrote:Ruyn's list does look like it's a stock replenishment list rather than full sales list.

If I absolutely had to guess: the other models that aren't on the resin list that Reds8n posted aren't going to be made into resin. One of the things on Ruyn's list is the "Deathwatch Kill-Team Conversion Kit". Another is the Dark Angels Tactical Sergeant(guy in a robe with head bared, chainsword raised over his head, and wearing leather gauntlets over top of his power armored ones), heck there's a Necromunda model on there.

Ruyn's list really looks like it's just "Oh look these are expected to be back in stock on this date".

While that was my original thought as well, I later thought that the timing was a bit too coincidental. Now having sat down with both lists, I'm inclined to think that you are correct (as was my original assumption), but I'm really hoping it's not true and the list I provided is getting resin. A resin thunderfire cannon would be SOOO much better!!!

**Cerebrium**

So Ogre Tyrant has been pulled, but isn't being made into resin. Yep, thanks, take our lord model without giving us an alternative.

**Kanluwen**

ruyn wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Ruyn's list does look like it's a stock replenishment list rather than full sales list.

If I absolutely had to guess: the other models that aren't on the resin list that Reds8n posted aren't going to be made into resin. One of the things on Ruyn's list is the "Deathwatch Kill-Team Conversion Kit". Another is the Dark Angels Tactical Sergeant(guy in a robe with head bared, chainsword raised over his head, and wearing leather gauntlets over top of his power armored ones), heck there's a Necromunda model on there.

Ruyn's list really looks like it's just "Oh look these are expected to be back in stock on this date".

While that was my original thought as well, I later thought that the timing was a bit too coincidental. Now having sat down with both lists, I'm inclined to think that you are correct (as was my original assumption), but I'm really hoping it's not true and the list I provided is getting resin. A resin thunderfire cannon would be SOOO much better!!!

Bear in mind: I'm not saying they likely won't move it to resin. But it's more likely that they've still got a buttload of the metals there to sell.

**Cerebrium**

Also, resin Incubi. My week has been made.

Just ogre tyrant, and I will be happy bunny.

**Alpharius**

We've known this was coming for a while now, but some of the new prices are still somewhat surprising.

Same old depressing same old...

**Howard A Treesong**

Kanluwen wrote:(Note: That's sarcasm. I didn't expect prices to stay the same or lower, but meh. Not really skin off my back other than cutting down on me buying a few metal models from ranges I have no intention of collecting an army for and just want to paint).

These things *always* cost money. Because there's going to be a transition period while they get used to the new material, have greater degree of miscasts, having the overheads of managing the switch over. These things were apparent when they switched to lead-free alloy, but they quality and consistency returned. As I said, these things costs money but of course they'll whack up the prices to cover the short term costs and then leave them there.

**Kanluwen**

Cerebrium wrote:Also, resin Incubi. My week has been made.

Just ogre tyrant, and I will be happy bunny.

Ogre Tyrant is likely going to be made into resin...when the new Ogre book is released. Or maybe an Ogre Lord plastic kit.
Who knows?

Howard A Treesong wrote:These things *always* cost money. Because there's going to be a transition period while they get used to the new material, have greater degree of miscasts, having the overheads of managing the switch over. These things were apparent when they switched to lead-free alloy, but they quality and consistency returned. As I said, these things costs money but of course they'll whack up the prices to cover the short term costs and then leave them there.

I'm aware of the fact that these things cost money.

I'm curious as to if we'll actually see a price drop(I know, optimism at work) at some point or not.

**mikhaila**

RiTides wrote:Help, I'm confused. Here's reds8n's list:

(snip)

This is NOT the same list... I got ruyn's list in an email after I placed an order for 2 DE Clawed Fiends (coming in on May 20th, as shown above). These are not mentioned anywhere in reds8n's list. DE Clawed Fiends are coming in on May 20th, and should be shipped then, and I expect them to be all-metal.

However, they were on HBMC's list of models that were being discontinued (which is why I ordered them). But again, they're not on reds8n's list of models to be put out in resin or metal/resin hybrid.

What's with the discrepancy? I.e. Where are the missing models that were rumored to be discontinued, but aren't in the resin list reds8n posted?

Basically, all metal goes away:

-Some, they are making a little bit of, and releasing through direct, waiting until they can make them in resin.
-120 resin kits will be ready to go.
-Stuff not in the first two catagories heads to the island of misfit toys.

**Kilkrazy**

Is this news or still just a (probably correct) rumour? The GW page isn't showing anything.

Marneus Calgar + Honour Guard goes from £30.75 to £36.00, a 17% increase.

Terminator Librarian goes up by 17.8%.

Looks like a roughly 17% increase on the recast models.

Zoanthropes will have gone from £12 to £15.50 in a year. Even allowing for VAT rise it is a pretty swingeing 25% increase, especially considering the benefit of the move to resin is cheaper raw materials.

**Kanluwen**

Kilkrazy wrote:Is this news or still just a (probably correct) rumour? The GW page isn't showing anything.

Marneus Calgar + Honour Guard goes from £30.75 to £36.00, a 17% increase.

Terminator Librarian goes up by 17.8%.

Looks like a roughly 17% increase on the recast models.

Zoanthropes will have gone from £12 to £15.50 in a year. Even allowing for VAT rise it is a pretty swingeing 25% increase, especially considering the benefit of the move to resin is cheaper raw materials.

Finecast is 'confirmed', the price costs aren't 100% confirmed nor if they'll be direct only or packaged and sold in stores like normal.

**biccat**

Kilkrazy wrote:Is this news or still just a (probably correct) rumour? The GW page isn't showing anything.

Marneus Calgar + Honour Guard goes from £30.75 to £36.00, a 17% increase.

Terminator Librarian goes up by 17.8%.

Looks like a roughly 17% increase on the recast models.

Zoanthropes will have gone from £12 to £15.50 in a year. Even allowing for VAT rise it is a pretty swingeing 25% increase, especially considering the benefit of the move to resin is cheaper raw materials.

You missed Jezzails (£8.70 to £30.00). Although I would assume those are going to a 2- or 3-pack (making the change at least defensible).

**GCMandrake**

I thought GW were selling this change as inevitable due to increasing tin prices? And they use it to increase prices by up to 27%? This comes coupled with the new restrictions on international selling?

GW missed a trick to get everyone back on side with a price drop. All everyone will see this as is higher prices for inferior products (regardless of whether that's true or not). Expect another dire GW stock forecast.

**oni**

Kilkrazy wrote:Is this news or still just a (probably correct) rumour? The GW page isn't showing anything.

Marneus Calgar + Honour Guard goes from £30.75 to £36.00, a 17% increase.

Terminator Librarian goes up by 17.8%.

Looks like a roughly 17% increase on the recast models.

Zoanthropes will have gone from £12 to £15.50 in a year. Even allowing for VAT rise it is a pretty swingeing 25% increase, especially considering the benefit of the move to resin is cheaper raw materials.

It's confirmed.

The new material isn't quite resin it's (from what I've read) a plastic/resin hybrid. This may or may not be as drastic a price drop in materials as one would think. I honestly don't know. I've also read that there was some retooling needed (added vents and such) for the current molds. Also, that metals were making next to no profit, some even a loss to GW. SOoo... I'm assuming the combination of all this is why the price went up. ~My source of info is the BoLS Lounge.

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Kanluwen wrote:...direct only or packaged and sold in stores like normal.

From my understanding they'll be direct only until stock numbers are sufficient enough to warrant them being placed on store shelves.

**RiTides**

Maelstrom wrote:Finecast
Onto other Games Workshop news. We'll shortly be stocking their superb Finecast range, which - if you didn't know already - is most of their deleted metal models, re-released in resin but somewhat more expensive than the original. Those will be on general sale on the 28th of May, for Games Workshop do not wish us to put them up for sale until then so they can keep up with demand.

Ah, interesting...

mikhaila wrote:Basically, all metal goes away:

-Some, they are making a little bit of, and releasing through direct, waiting until they can make them in resin.
-120 resin kits will be ready to go.
-Stuff not in the first two catagories heads to the island of misfit toys.

I wish we could get a better list of what is in which category... i.e., what's going to direct and what's going to "the island".

**Scottywan82**

Very interested in resin incubi... NOT interested in selling a testicle for them.

**Cyporiean**

oni wrote:

It's confirmed.

The new material isn't quite resin it's (from what I've read) a plastic/resin hybrid. This may or may not be as drastic a price drop in materials as one would think. I honestly don't know. I've also read that there was some retooling needed (added vents and such) for the current molds. Also, that metals were making next to no profit, some even a loss to GW. SOoo... I'm assuming the combination of all this is why the price went up. ~My source of info is the BoLS Lounge.

Most likely its the same stuff Mantic is using, that allowed them to sell their Resin-Plastics at half the cost of their Metals.

But its GW, so they'll just say that anything adds to their costs, and that they are taking a loss in everything they do.

**McNs**

I know this equates to "I'm taking my ball and going home", but really, I'm finishing my Tomb Kings army and I'm done with GW's major games (side note: what does this mean for specialist games?).

Love their IP, their prices have always been on the high side, but this is too much. As a fantasy player, I'm not paying a ~25% for all non-plastics after just having been convinced to increase the size of my average 50% (i.e. - 2000 pts to 3000 pts).

Privateer and/or other comapnies (maybe Mantic) will be getting my cash henceforth.

**spaceelf**

Tis a very sad day indeed, but one that many of us knew was coming. Hopefully the Specialist Games will survive.

The only good news is that there will probably be lots of miniatures on the after-market because so many people will be leaving the hobby.

**Griever**

Reduce costs, and then increase the prices! GW strikes again.

**Necros**

Glad I just finished buying all the goblins I need.. but once they put out the new necrons I'll be poor again.

**Slinky**

I'll be interested to see side-by-side comparisons of the same models in metal and "finecast" - I wonder if they are sharper in detail, or if "finecast" is just a marketing name with no basis in fact.

**Agamemnon2**

Slinky wrote:I'll be interested to see side-by-side comparisons of the same models in metal and "finecast" - I wonder if they are sharper in detail, or if "finecast" is just a marketing name with no basis in fact.

I don't see how they could be better, the master models will remain the same.

**Slinky**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
Slinky wrote:I'll be interested to see side-by-side comparisons of the same models in metal and "finecast" - I wonder if they are sharper in detail, or if "finecast" is just a marketing name with no basis in fact.

I don't see how they could be better, the master models will remain the same.

But metal shrinks as it cools, whereas perhaps the new material will stay fully filling the moulds?

**Slackermagee**

ZOMG, Lictors I don't hate myself for putting together can't wai... but now they've got a new codex. And they can't assault after appearing. Neeevermind.

No plastic and resin broadside kits? Cripes, GW. You really could have pumped broadsides out if people knew they weren't going to crush one model in frustration for every two they built.