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I will wait till its all sorted out before grabbing my pitchfork, but that sounds nasty. Not sure how I feel about resin - sure its more convertable, but that's not what I look for in single character models. To me the value is in the quality of the sculpting. Metal's relative durability (for most models) is a plus its hard to see "fine casting" overcoming.

Go GW, they have the post up on UK/USA but it only is the the title: "Citadel Finecast Announced; Grandfather Nurgle pays us a visit." Maybe Grandpa Nurgle ate the rest of the post.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400050a

I can honestly say that since being in the hobby since 1983, Games Workshop have succeded in driving me out. If I need stuff I'll wait until I can get it second hand at wargames shows. Somehow I don't think these prices will remain stable, the price hikes will continue simply because of how volatile the world market for oil is; there is oil in resin. So lets not get deluded here, the price will go up and up until enough of us see the light and not buy. This is going to hit the independent retailers also, discounts are going to be harder to justify and may not be seen as good business or deals. In my eyes GW are getting close to circling the drain. of course they need to make money but they are now out to screw us for all we have and little regard to the hobby. As long as they show a profit to the shareholders is all they seem to be interested in. Well I'm now spending my money with other companies like Mantic. Who cares if they don't have as much detail as GW?If it allows me to afford to buy minis in the first place I'm not bothered.
Many people are going to drop out of the hobby and won't be coming back. Players might find opponents tricky to come by very soon.
So GW farewell from a veteran. Treat us like crap and we will do the same in return. Cheers.

temprus wrote:Go GW, they have the post up on UK/USA but it only is the the title: "Citadel Finecast Announced; Grandfather Nurgle pays us a visit." Maybe Grandpa Nurgle ate the rest of the post.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400050a

It's a placeholder.

I'm with slipstream, i have been in this since 1988 and although i can say yes there product has gotten better over the years, they have also gotten more brazen with their price raising, this coupled with their newest restrictions for places like Maelstrom makes me really wonder how long i care to keep giving these guys money.



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Lorek wrote:

temprus wrote:Go GW, they have the post up on UK/USA but it only is the the title: "Citadel Finecast Announced; Grandfather Nurgle pays us a visit." Maybe Grandpa Nurgle ate the rest of the post.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400050a

It's a placeholder.

LOL its already got 14 "likes" on facebook to

Let's all like it!

Lorek wrote:

temprus wrote:Go GW, they have the post up on UK/USA but it only is the the title: "Citadel Finecast Announced; Grandfather Nurgle pays us a visit." Maybe Grandpa Nurgle ate the rest of the post.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400050a

It's a placeholder.

It's webmaster incompetence.

I didn't want to be the person to say that.

No resin Venomthrope, interestingly.

I predicted weeks ago it would be hard to make the Venomthrope's long thin arms in resin.

spaceelf wrote:Tis a very sad day indeed, but one that many of us knew was coming. Hopefully the Specialist Games will survive.

The only good news is that there will probably be lots of miniatures on the after-market because so many people will be leaving the hobby.

On the other hand the 2nd hand prices could inflate as people try to buy up metal figures rather than their newer resin replacements.

Wait, so they switched to resin from metal to save money and then raised prices?!?

Ozymandias wrote:Wait, so they switched to resin from metal to save money and then raised prices?!?

Raised prices in the UK. No sign of price raises anywhere else right now.

Kanluwen wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:Wait, so they switched to resin from metal to save money and then raised prices?!?

Raised prices in the UK. No sign of price raises anywhere else right now.

Ever the eternal optimist, eh Kan

filbert wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:Wait, so they switched to resin from metal to save money and then raised prices?!?

Raised prices in the UK. No sign of price raises anywhere else right now.

Ever the eternal optimist, eh Kan

I have to be. Otherwise it hurts my brain and I realize just how fethed up the situation is.

The article is up.

It essentially says: "Tune in next Monday for details as to what Citadel Finecast miniatures are! Oh, and on May 28th, these Finecast miniatures will be released to the world."

So much detail GW, I just can't wait to hear what you have to say.

/s

Can't see if its already posted at work so here's the quoted text.

Games Workshop's quest to create the best quality miniatures in the world is about to take a huge step forward...

On 28th May we are launching Citadel Finecast miniatures to the world.

Don't miss the full announcement on games-workshop.com on the 23rd May to find out more.

Be sure to be at your local Hobby Centre to experience this unique, once-in-a-lifetime launch day! This will be your first chance to see, touch and buy Citadel Finecast miniatures.

In the meantime, there's only one question you need to ask yourself:

"What will my first Citadel Finecast miniature be?"



"Ah ha, so that's what they've been up to in the Studio. I had wondered why, when I walked in there, people kept hiding models under their desk. From what I've seen of the new miniatures (I accidentally picked one of them up without realising what it was) they look absolutely stunning. So stay tuned, because next Monday you'll all get to find out a whole lot more about them."

Slipstream wrote:I can honestly say that since being in the hobby since 1983, Games Workshop have succeded in driving me out. If I need stuff I'll wait until I can get it second hand at wargames shows. Somehow I don't think these prices will remain stable, the price hikes will continue simply because of how volatile the world market for oil is; there is oil in resin. So lets not get deluded here, the price will go up and up until enough of us see the light and not buy. This is going to hit the independent retailers also, discounts are going to be harder to justify and may not be seen as good business or deals. In my eyes GW are getting close to circling the drain. of course they need to make money but they are now out to screw us for all we have and little regard to the hobby. As long as they show a profit to the shareholders is all they seem to be interested in. Well I'm now spending my money with other companies like Mantic. Who cares if they don't have as much detail as GW?If it allows me to afford to buy minis in the first place I'm not bothered.
Many people are going to drop out of the hobby and won't be coming back. Players might find opponents tricky to come by very soon.
So GW farewell from a veteran. Treat us like crap and we will do the same in return. Cheers.

And yet, like oil prices, a few people may get sick of the price hikes and stop buying, but most of us will bend over and take it. Why? Because most of us don't think we can affect it and the rest of us don't care enough to try. It's sad but true.

The announcement has been posted, but it's another "wait and see" that provides no real details at all till apparently next Monday. Grrr. These no announcement announcements are getting pretty tiresome.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400050a

BrassScorpion wrote:The announcement has been posted, but it's another "wait and see" that provides no real details at all till apparently next Monday. Grrr.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400050a

I really don't understand why people expected some kind of huge public announcement. Today was the announcement to retailers.

In before vast, vast amounts of rage?

Not much optimism here. I want to see new models in finecast before I condemn it. I'm curious if they can get better models at all. Also the price thing is nasty but I don't buy a lot of metal these days anyway. I get the odd special character but with most of the stuff coming out in plastic Id rather buy those products and kit-bash my own Lords and Heroes. Given that I'm not adverse to paying a higher pice for FW models I will probably buy the odd one or two models in finecast.

The geographic limiting is harsh, but Maelstrom are an odd situation. By having their discount and a good web presence they have cornered a market and it's tough enough for other EU companies to compete. Interestingly they dont say that they've been stopped discounting GW product. But then as I understand it, GW don't mind the discout per se but they don't approve of high volume discount and that's where Maelstrom are a victim of their own success.

I'm not a GW fanatic. I like a lot of their stuff yes, but I dont jump from army to army. I'm certainly not into 'the new hotness' each month. So this doesn't effect me much in the short term.

*sigh*

Whilst I can afford to buy GW products without too much worry (I have to save and think REALLY hard about it though) their cut throat approach to business and "must please Shareholders" attitude is a reason why I've started Flames of War. Aside from awesome rules and cheaper models. For 30ish quid I have a whole US airborne rifle company! Fair play, it's 15mm and the models aren't nowhere near GW standards but the game overall is what counts, not looking at pretty models.

I'd rather GW go back off the stock market and concentrate on the hobby, not the money. (obviously make enough revenue to bring out fine products etc, just not rape us!)

Kanluwen wrote:I really don't understand why people expected some kind of huge public announcement. Today was the announcement to retailers.

I think this was heightened by Maelstrom not being able to say anything until today's announcement.

Bloodwin wrote:Not much optimism here. I want to see new models in finecast before I condemn it. I'm curious if they can get better models at all. Also the price thing is nasty but I don't buy a lot of metal these days anyway. I get the odd special character but with most of the stuff coming out in plastic Id rather buy those products and kit-bash my own Lords and Heroes. Given that I'm not adverse to paying a higher pice for FW models I will probably buy the odd one or two models in finecast.

The geographic limiting is harsh, but Maelstrom are an odd situation. By having their discount and a good web presence they have cornered a market and it's tough enough for other EU companies to compete. Interestingly they dont say that they've been stopped discounting GW product. But then as I understand it, GW don't mind the discout per se but they don't approve of high volume discount and that's where Maelstrom are a victim of their own success.

I'm not a GW fanatic. I like a lot of their stuff yes, but I dont jump from army to army. I'm certainly not into 'the new hotness' each month. So this doesn't effect me much in the short term.

Maelstrom have also been in hot water with Battlefront Miniatures over their discount system and vouchers and it's gone as far as BF have stopped selling to them. Not to sure on the gory details but it's on Maelstroms website in the news section somewhere.

Kanluwen wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:The announcement has been posted, but it's another "wait and see" that provides no real details at all till apparently next Monday. Grrr.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400050a

I really don't understand why people expected some kind of huge public announcement. Today was the announcement to retailers.

Because the retailer announcement is not some huge secret thing. We all knew it was coming, so naturally people are anxious to hear the thing sooner rather than later. This is not complex logic, honestly.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:The announcement has been posted, but it's another "wait and see" that provides no real details at all till apparently next Monday. Grrr.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400050a

I really don't understand why people expected some kind of huge public announcement. Today was the announcement to retailers.

Because the retailer announcement is not some huge secret thing.

But that's the thing. It wasn't supposed to be a secret or public knowledge. We're, by and large, not retailers. There's no real reason for us to know.

We all knew it was coming, so naturally people are anxious to hear the thing sooner rather than later.

But there's the rub. We weren't supposed to know anything. The retailers likely weren't supposed to be posting knowledge about it before today, when they themselves got the "big announcement".

This is not complex logic, honestly.

No you're right. It's some sense of entitlement where everyone feels every aspect of everything should be transparent. Can't wait for WikiLeaks: GW edition to be called for.

ruyn wrote:And yet, like oil prices, a few people may get sick of the price hikes and stop buying, but most of us will bend over and take it. Why? Because most of us don't think we can affect it and the rest of us don't care enough to try. It's sad but true.

Well oil prices control essential commodities which affect the ability to heat your home and travel to work. GW figures are hard;y the same thing. People can give them up if they wish, giving up petrol and gas is somewhat more difficult.

Meh. Whatever.

GW were on the verge of becoming relevant again with such nice releases ad Dark Eldar.

Too bad. I hope those models are nice for the price, but I doubt there will be much is any difference in quality. They are the same damn sculpts after all and shrinkage is similar in both metal and resin mediums.

I also find it humorous that some people are aghast at the new development.

When the plastic terminators came out circa 4th ed and the price didnt drop when using much cheaper materials, people balked.

Same old trend, different medium.

Wake me up when GW hire actual game designers instead of firing the good ones like Rick Priestly. When they make models worthy of their exorbitant price tags. When they stop insulting the intelligence of their consumer base with patronizing comments and actions. When they are actually relevant again.

Just stopping by to rage after seeing the news on GW site.

Price hikes?! As if I needed another reason to stop buying heros and make my own. I, for one, will be writing a complaint to GW and I will be telling them that I will NOT be buying this new attack on my wallet. Anyone else? I know it won't change things, but maybe if they get enough complaints......

EDIT: I wonder if I can still find a Lysander.

Before I equip myself with a torch and pitchfork, I am going to give GW a chance to explain what is going on. I have never worked with resin mini's before, so I dont know if it is more convenient, requires special adhesive, pinning, etc.

As far as price, I don't want to see an increase. I could swallow an increase (not happily of course), but my other friends are not as flushed with money and it may deter them from buying product as quickly as they would if the price actually went down.