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Kanluwen wrote:
Because the retailer announcement is not some huge secret thing.

But that's the thing. It wasn't supposed to be a secret or public knowledge. We're, by and large, not retailers. There's no real reason for us to know.
We all knew it was coming, so naturally people are anxious to hear the thing sooner rather than later.

But there's the rub. We weren't supposed to know anything. The retailers likely weren't supposed to be posting knowledge about it before today, when they themselves got the "big announcement".


So it's all our fault? Screw that. I cannot choose not to hear rumors just out of loyalty to (y)our corporate masters. Them (or you) going "But you're not supposed to know! You broke the rules!" is idiotic. I won't even dignify your insipid Wikileaks remark with a response.

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This pretty much cements it for me. I would have been interested in plugging the last few holes in my armies with lighter resin versions but not at a price increase from the already barely tolerable prices (and only tolerable because other companies have rushed to equal them in recent years). I've got 15,000+ points spread over 4 completely painted armies and that certainly should suffice for a long time. I'll still play the game (so it's not some fanboi rage boycott) but the only new purchases I see in my future for the next couple of years are Dark Angel and Tau codicies if and when they come out. It's a business choice that is 100% theirs to make; unfortunately, it's a decision that tips the scales over to not worth it for what they provide in my personal case. Not to worry guys... I'll still be posting/annoying people here on dakka!

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GW seems to have been successful at plugging the leaks of actual photographs of their releases, but when it comes to things like this Finescale thing, they might as well have been trying to hold back the ocean with a sieve.

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Agamemnon2 wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Because the retailer announcement is not some huge secret thing.

But that's the thing. It wasn't supposed to be a secret or public knowledge. We're, by and large, not retailers. There's no real reason for us to know.
We all knew it was coming, so naturally people are anxious to hear the thing sooner rather than later.

But there's the rub. We weren't supposed to know anything. The retailers likely weren't supposed to be posting knowledge about it before today, when they themselves got the "big announcement".


So it's all our fault? Screw that. I cannot choose not to hear rumors just out of loyalty to (y)our corporate masters. Them (or you) going "But you're not supposed to know! You broke the rules!" is idiotic.

Except they go off schedules that don't give a crap about "the internet nerds know! we have to move everything up!".
I won't even dignify your insipid Wikileaks remark with a response.

Transparency isn't necessary in every facet of every single aspect of our lives.

The Internet community isn't factored in, by and large, by GW. Is that a mistake? Sure.
But there's no reason to piss and moan about it all the time or cry that they somehow "disappointed" you when THERE WAS NO PLANS FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT, TODAY, TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO BEGIN WITH.
   
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So GW is going to pull a FW..



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I might just about swallow this if the models are better than the metals, but having tried some of the resin stuff from FW, I suspect they won't be.

   
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GW knows the independent retailers are going to share the announcement they get today with their customers and the gaming community as a whole, so why GW thought it was a good idea to not post the information themselves TODAY on their own website for their end-user retail customer base in order to dispel all the inaccuracies and rumors that abound is a bit mystifying. Unless the next Monday date was dictated by SEC-type requirements and related regulations for publicly traded companies I can't think of why they'd delay another week.

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Kanluwen wrote:But there's no reason to piss and moan about it all the time or cry that they somehow "disappointed" you when THERE WAS NO PLANS FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT, TODAY, TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO BEGIN WITH.


You seem awfully sure of yourself speaking for what GW thinks, plans and schedules. To say nothing of the amount of sheer vitriol manifested there. It's unseemly.

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http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400050a

What is GW finecast? It probably isn't metal or regular plastic...

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Agamemnon2 wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:But there's no reason to piss and moan about it all the time or cry that they somehow "disappointed" you when THERE WAS NO PLANS FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT, TODAY, TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO BEGIN WITH.


You seem awfully sure of yourself speaking for what GW thinks, plans and schedules.
He is their sock puppet, so yeah.



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Agamemnon2 wrote:GW seems to have been successful at plugging the leaks of actual photographs of their releases, but when it comes to things like this Finescale thing, they might as well have been trying to hold back the ocean with a sieve.


Give it a couple of weeks after people see those new prices and they'll come to the aftermath of that Earthquake with a dustpan and brush.


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blah why is there always a "bonus" price increase to everything GW does lol :(

   
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Now this explanes something Ordered a few paints and things as well as Dark Eldar charactor Woman (not clued up with the DE names) for my girlfriend to paint.

Now this was ordered around 2 weeks ago now and its still being processed. Wonder if its due to the model being finecaste, although I only paid the same price as the metal...


 
   
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raising the prices won't do much besides make us complain while we still buy our army men same as always. It's like a crack dealer raising their prices, the addicts will still buy their crack and less of other stuff (or sell more of mom's jewelry). We can say we won't buy, but all they have to do is put out something like a plastic warhound and all the haters will be like "OMG It's such a bargain at $5 less than FW's overly expensive model.. I'm gonna order 3!"

 
   
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Necros wrote:raising the prices won't do much besides make us complain while we still buy our army men same as always. It's like a crack dealer raising their prices, the addicts will still buy their crack and less of other stuff (or sell more of mom's jewelry). We can say we won't buy, but all they have to do is put out something like a plastic warhound and all the haters will be like "OMG It's such a bargain at $5 less than FW's overly expensive model.. I'm gonna order 3!"

Yep... The only differences that wargames dealers have over crack dealers is legality and a 1-800 number.
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Agamemnon2 wrote:
Slinky wrote:I'll be interested to see side-by-side comparisons of the same models in metal and "finecast" - I wonder if they are sharper in detail, or if "finecast" is just a marketing name with no basis in fact.


I don't see how they could be better, the master models will remain the same.

Different materials produce different results, even in the same mould. The change to white metal from lead resulted in crisper detail on the metal models, even though they were still using the same moulds. Resin potentially offers better detail again, depending on just what sort of compound they're using.

 
   
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Supposedly better detail. I'll reserve judgement until I get some to paint up.

US retail stores will be able to get the full line, and at their normal discount. There will however be some allocations early on, as they will have limited amounts of product available. The amount doesn't worry me, as it's sufficient for my store, if I'm buying that allocation on a weekly basis. Large online retailers may have a problem with it as they move more product, but are still just one store and won't be getting a large allocation. GW stores will probably get a decent amount as well as mailorder, so there should be a good chunk of product available.

I don't have a list of prices yet, but I believe the codes available in the US are similar to what's up on Maelstrom.

Release date in the US is the 28th of May. Hard release date, meaning I'll get the stuff wed/thur, but can't sell it until the 28th.

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I would hope that the quality is better. Nothing will probably justify the price spike but better quality is at least something. Got to count your eggs when you can.
   
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If GWS announced their new miniatures were sprinkled in Anthrax spores, Kanluwen would be here arguing about how awesome it is cause he was needing to go to the doctor anyway. If GWS announced that you were only allowed to play with Ultramarines in their stores, he would talk about how only having to use one codex really streamlines rules arguments. If every order from GWS Direct arrived with Jervis himself, kicking you in the junk as hard as he could, Kan would be berating you here for glossing over how good it felt when he stopped kicking you.

When you guys get into debates like this with Kanluwen, at this point in time, you kinda deserve what you damn well know you're going to get: a strenuous reassurance that when GWS pisses on you, it really helps cool you down.

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I will happily pay extra to no longer deal with metal figures.

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Ouze wrote:If GWS announced their new miniatures were sprinkled in Anthrax spores, Kanluwen would be here arguing about how awesome it is cause he was needing to go to the doctor anyway. If GWS announced that you were only allowed to play with Ultramarines in their stores, he would talk about how only having to use one codex really streamlines rules arguments. If every order from GWS Direct arrived with Jervis himself, kicking you in the junk as hard as he could, Kan would be berating you here for glossing over how good it felt when he stopped kicking you.

When you guys get into debates like this with Kanluwen, at this point in time, you kinda deserve what you damn well know you're going to get: a strenuous reassurance that when GWS pisses on you, it really helps cool you down.



Kanluwen has been very balanced in his posts in this thread.

You should get off his balls.


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Kanluwen wrote:
Agamemnon2 wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
BrassScorpion wrote:The announcement has been posted, but it's another "wait and see" that provides no real details at all till apparently next Monday. Grrr.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400050a

I really don't understand why people expected some kind of huge public announcement. Today was the announcement to retailers.


Because the retailer announcement is not some huge secret thing.

But that's the thing. It wasn't supposed to be a secret or public knowledge. We're, by and large, not retailers. There's no real reason for us to know.
We all knew it was coming, so naturally people are anxious to hear the thing sooner rather than later.

But there's the rub. We weren't supposed to know anything. The retailers likely weren't supposed to be posting knowledge about it before today, when they themselves got the "big announcement".
This is not complex logic, honestly.

No you're right. It's some sense of entitlement where everyone feels every aspect of everything should be transparent. Can't wait for WikiLeaks: GW edition to be called for.




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That's what you're going with? Really?

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Ouze wrote:When you guys get into debates like this with Kanluwen, at this point in time, you kinda deserve what you damn well know you're going to get: a strenuous reassurance that when GWS pisses on you, it really helps cool you down.



Well, while I don't always agree with him, I like having his input. It's nice to have a counterpoint to the endless, and often unreasonable, reactions from folks.

For instance, it has gone from assumption to fact that the resin/plastic blend was cheaper to produce than metal. While this is very likely the case, it hasn't been confirmed by GW as the reason for the switch. Second, while people are freaking out about price hikes, and once again, the threats of leaving the hobby are everywhere, no one so far that I've seen has even bothered to do a comprehensive assessment of which models got a price hike, because not all the models on that list did. The ones that did, for the most part, went up by less than $2 above there previous price. Hardly going to cripple your budget for a one time purchase of a character figure.

Although, none of that is important. What's important is that everyone has another excuse to rant about GW. And if anyone isn't on board with that, let's rant about how ridiculous they are too!



DarknessEternal wrote:I will happily pay extra to no longer deal with metal figures.


I'm right there with you. I can't wait to get the Nurgle Daemon Prince in resin. One of my absolute favorite models, but a pain to assemble and to game with a 1 lb hunk of metal. And while I'd gladly pay more for a resin version, the price stayed the same on this model.

Now I just hope the Khorne Lord on Juggernaught gets a resin treatment at some point. I have had my eye on that model for ages, but just don't want to deal with a big metal model, so I always put of getting it.

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In other news, have you heard about this Citadel Finecast thing? Someone should make a post in News & Rumors about it

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Kilkrazy wrote:
Ouze wrote:If GWS announced their new miniatures were sprinkled in Anthrax spores, Kanluwen would be here arguing about how awesome it is cause he was needing to go to the doctor anyway. If GWS announced that you were only allowed to play with Ultramarines in their stores, he would talk about how only having to use one codex really streamlines rules arguments. If every order from GWS Direct arrived with Jervis himself, kicking you in the junk as hard as he could, Kan would be berating you here for glossing over how good it felt when he stopped kicking you.

When you guys get into debates like this with Kanluwen, at this point in time, you kinda deserve what you damn well know you're going to get: a strenuous reassurance that when GWS pisses on you, it really helps cool you down.



Kanluwen has been very balanced in his posts in this thread.

You should get off his balls.



if by "balanced" you mean "white knighting GW and wording it in a way that's just on the safe edge of 'trolling' like he does in every post he makes" then yes, he's balanced.

But it's pretty obvious his actions are encouraged by the way multiple moderators frequently rush to his defense, so it's off to the ignore list with him.

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Could we possibly change this thread's title to include "Citadel Finecast" so we can find it without looking for some random thread about some dude's local shop?

   
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Second the rename request. Kinda a weird one to consolidate into.

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it's off to the ignore list
It was the constant arguing for argument sake, even when proven to be incorrect, that caused me to take that route. It's nearly impossible to find anything useful in a topic thread once that argument spam starts. And it nearly always starts on any topic of major interest. Ignore List for certain users makes a nice filter when these threads start to sound like "the argument sketch" from Monty Python.

Could we possibly change this thread's title to include "Citadel Finecast" so we can find it without looking for some random thread about some dude's local shop?
Agreed, the closed "redundant" thread actually would have been good for a clean start on the specific topic at hand, Finecast.

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