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Foo wrote:Could we possibly change this thread's title to include "Citadel Finecast" so we can find it without looking for some random thread about some dude's local shop?

BY THE POWER OF 2ND AVENUE CASTLE IT SHALL BE DONE

I would just like to add I called resin=higher prices a while back, resin is harder to work with, needs more man hours and people (esp in the US and UK) are more expensive than metal.

Okay, that's done.

What's the deal with no Sisters on that list? How does this relate to the WD Sisters dex rumor? Argh!

Manchu wrote:Okay, that's done.

What's the deal with no Sisters on that list? How does this relate to the WD Sisters dex rumor? Argh!

Makes sense. All Sisters models get re-released the month the WD Dex is out.

Ouze wrote:If GWS announced their new miniatures were sprinkled in Anthrax spores, Kanluwen would be here arguing about how awesome it is cause he was needing to go to the doctor anyway. If GWS announced that you were only allowed to play with Ultramarines in their stores, he would talk about how only having to use one codex really streamlines rules arguments. If every order from GWS Direct arrived with Jervis himself, kicking you in the junk as hard as he could, Kan would be berating you here for glossing over how good it felt when he stopped kicking you.

When you guys get into debates like this with Kanluwen, at this point in time, you kinda deserve what you damn well know you're going to get: a strenuous reassurance that when GWS pisses on you, it really helps cool you down.

Uhhuh.

You realize that people are complaining about GW not making an announcement when the original 'rumor' was that Maelstrom would be making an announcement about the shipping and that GW would be making an announcement to retailers regarding 'something big'. If we hadn't had posters 'on the inside' of GW who'd already confirmed that the 'something big' would be a changeover from metal to a 'resinplastic' material--we wouldn't know anything until the retailers had made their announcements today.
This is the kind of thing that could, simply, be fixed with GW making announcements at the same time to both retailers and the public. Likely, they're not interested in doing that so that the retailers can make the announcement and gauge out their customer base--or just so people can get a hint of the fact that 'something is coming'.

Is it stupid that they didn't do it at the same time as they announced it to retailers? Of bloody course it is. But that doesn't mean that people aren't working off flawed perceptions to begin with.

It's Space Hulk all over again, quite frankly. They want to build up anticipation, they've got a 'plan'(kind of) in place for bringing it to the fore--but it's built around the people who regularly check their website, not forums like Dakka or Warseer.

UltraPrime wrote:

Manchu wrote:Okay, that's done.

What's the deal with no Sisters on that list? How does this relate to the WD Sisters dex rumor? Argh!

Makes sense. All Sisters models get re-released the month the WD Dex is out.

Wat.

Manchu wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:

Manchu wrote:Okay, that's done.

What's the deal with no Sisters on that list? How does this relate to the WD Sisters dex rumor? Argh!

Makes sense. All Sisters models get re-released the month the WD Dex is out.

Wat.

If I had to guess: the "deal with no Sisters on the list" is because they'd be trying to sell off the remainder of the metal stock before swapping it to limited resin runs.

Well, I don't know about you - but I'm going to email GW and tell them exactly what I think to them jacking their prices up by a fifth after taking on a cheaper material.

I emplore you all to do the same. If enough people make a fuss, it's only a matter of time before a shareholder notices - and they're the ones who'll make the difference.

So, let's do something about it. I am going to tell GW that I will no longer be purchasing their products, and I believe I'm going to stick to it. I shall attempt to buy my models pre-owned (I'm already at the stage where all I buy from GW is models), or from third parties at the very least.

If you want to join me I'd encourage it.

You want to write them a letter. Emails about anything that isn't missing orders go straight into the spam/junk folder.

I already vote with my dollars. I've pretty much completely stopped buying metal models. The very few I purchased in the last year with one exception were all $15 maximum. I don't pay $20, $22 or more for single figures with what I can get for a bit more in some cases from a multi-part plastic set.

Tek wrote:Well, I don't know about you - but I'm going to email GW and tell them exactly what I think to them jacking their prices up by a fifth after taking on a cheaper material.

I emplore you all to do the same. If enough people make a fuss, it's only a matter of time before a shareholder notices - and they're the ones who'll make the difference.

So, let's do something about it. I am going to tell GW that I will no longer be purchasing their products, and I believe I'm going to stick to it. I shall attempt to buy my models pre-owned (I'm already at the stage where all I buy from GW is models), or from third parties at the very least.

If you want to join me I'd encourage it.

A Mod gave a fair point about the price rise not too long ago that holds merit in my opinion of course, though I do admit GW do like to put their prices up.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Foo wrote:Could we possibly change this thread's title to include "Citadel Finecast" so we can find it without looking for some random thread about some dude's local shop?

BY THE POWER OF 2ND AVENUE CASTLE IT SHALL BE DONE

I would just like to add I called resin=higher prices a while back, resin is harder to work with, needs more man hours and people (esp in the US and UK) are more expensive than metal.

Wow. £15.50 for a single Hive Guard mini. So basically nearly £100 just to get the half-dozen minis that are the bare minimum antitank required for a competitive tyranid list -- before you think about troops or HQs. It's almost funny. :(

...and I still only have 3 actual Hive Guard minis, more than a year after the new codex, because of the high cost of the old ones. I'd been proxying with Warriors. Might have to dig out my old Space Hulk genestealer hybrids and make hybrid guard heavy weapon teams as counts-as HG. The only other option is a new job.

This is very interesting news. I hold any pre-judgments until next week.

Oh hell yes! nurgle prince in resin would rock! too bad I bought the juggernaut chaos champion/lord guy from fantasy. It's a ton of metal for just one dude.

This might make me not think twice about buying ics anymore. Metal sucks!

Have any of the previous letter writing campaigns or petitions achieved anything? GW don't seem to pay attention to them.
I've begun sourcing my planned bretonnian army idea around historicals. It's cheaper and it's still plastic.
If you are really outraged with their practices, I think the only option is to spend your money elsewhere. In truth, I think they are not much worse than most corporations, I think we just take it worse because the hobby is such a niche and other companies are much better at PR.

Kanluwen wrote:If I had to guess: the "deal with no Sisters on the list" is because they'd be trying to sell off the remainder of the metal stock before swapping it to limited resin runs.

So you think that every other model on that list is already sold out? Really?

Manchu wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:If I had to guess: the "deal with no Sisters on the list" is because they'd be trying to sell off the remainder of the metal stock before swapping it to limited resin runs.

So you think that every other model on that list is already sold out? Really?

Nope.

But there's any number of things that could be going on with Sisters. They could be altering the product codes in preparation for the plastics, they could be part of a 'second wave' of metal->resin for a limited timeframe, or hell--maybe the molds finally have gotten to the point where they can't be replicated after this run.

Kanluwen wrote:It's Space Hulk all over again, quite frankly. They want to build up anticipation, they've got a 'plan'(kind of) in place for bringing it to the fore--but it's built around the people who regularly check their website, not forums like Dakka or Warseer.

I do hope "everything we heard before is lie"

I was wondering something really far tetched, but maybe the prices gauge is because each new box or resin combos has more than one model? or maybe models with more options? I dont see it happening but heck, in this wave of horrible news lets try to keep a bit of hope.

Me personally I think Im going to play 15mm 40k games now! I have been waiting for ground zero games new store update and guess what, they just opened it today, talk about cheap alternatives hey?

Tek wrote:Well, I don't know about you - but I'm going to email GW and tell them exactly what I think to them jacking their prices up by a fifth after taking on a cheaper material.

Don't.

Write a letter.

On paper.

Sign it with your real name.

Address it to the President of the company.

Be polite, be firm. And if you make threats like 'I quit, I'm selling my armies' etc back them up.

Good luck.

Ugh no resin for me. Sucks to try and covert it, metal might be a pain but its actually doable.

NAVARRO wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's Space Hulk all over again, quite frankly. They want to build up anticipation, they've got a 'plan'(kind of) in place for bringing it to the fore--but it's built around the people who regularly check their website, not forums like Dakka or Warseer.

I do hope "everything we heard before is lie"

I mean the metal->resinplasticcombihybrid thing was pretty 'confirmed' as of today.

I was wondering something really far tetched, but maybe the prices gauge is because each new box or resin combos has more than one model? or maybe models with more options? I dont see it happening but heck, in this wave of horrible news lets try to keep a bit of hope.

That's kind of what I'm remaining optimistic about.

Me personally I think I'm going to play 15mm 40k games now! I have been waiting for ground zero games new store update and guess what, they just opened it today, talk about cheap alternatives hey?

Me? I'm finishing my Guard and Dark Angels+Empire projects and then probably taking a nice long break from purchasing GW products. I think we need our space.

Plus, I'm kind of broke at the moment.

I do hope "everything we heard before is lie"

I was wondering something really far tetched, but maybe the prices gauge is because each new box or resin combos has more than one model? or maybe models with more options? I dont see it happening but heck, in this wave of horrible news lets try to keep a bit of hope.

Me personally I think Im going to play 15mm 40k games now! I have been waiting for ground zero games new store update and guess what, they just opened it today, talk about cheap alternatives hey?

Yeah, I was thinking they might include a couple of options/models in order to excuse the price increase. I'll see the list again to see if there might be some backing to this theory.

Still not happy with using this hijacked thread about a local promo as the official Citedel Finecast thread. But oh well.

1.) Actually GW clearly said to staff, customers and retailers, that they will release a newsletter today for everyone, announcing the big changes concerning the rumoured metal to resin change. GW doesn't trust staff and retailers not to leak, so everyone gets the information at the same time.

2.) Actually, they didn't. They just revealed a name (Citadel Finecast), a release date (28th May) and a new announcement date (23rd May). They didn't even mention the word resin officially, maybe only in a few internal meetings within GW. This was not what GW staff and retailers were told, all expected a full announcement today. Guess Nottingham changed plans.

3.) Instead they officially announced a price hike of most introductory items like Codices, army books, 40k starter, battleforce boxes, paint station and several plastic boxes. Prices also rise in Germany, e.g. all Codices/army books by 3.25 € (including the Tomb King book released just 9 days ago!), Tau Battleforce by 15 €. The GW higher management in Nottingham must really hate this company, hoping that the shareholders and staff will only find out when it's too late (easy when every critic is instantly fired).

4.) I was really curious how they would explain the change from metal to some resin. Something like "Metal has become quite expensive, so we moved to resin to make the miniatures cheaper ... and demand even higher prices than before." Instead they said: "Hi, we have a new miniature line called Citadel Finecast released end of the month. Speaking of finely cast, have a look at this metal Chaos Warrior army."
Guess they are still working on how to explain the change and the price without revealing the truth. Tough job!

Guess the next annual report will reveal degrading revenue inspite 10% price raise, less customers, less sales and less hobby starters. And they will like the result.

carmachu wrote:Ugh no resin for me. Sucks to try and covert it, metal might be a pain but its actually doable.

If its the resin I think, the simple act of just cleaning a mouldline is kind of annoying because you use your xacto blade and it will mess the smothness around the mouldline and if you sand it it will never shine like the other parts and it will look a bit grainy... Hard to explain but the combo resin plastics has good things but also bad things about it... Assuming its the same material Im used to mess with.

Since Forgeworld sell low quality casts of (finely sculpted) resin at extortionate prices, while GW (proper) sell high quality casts of finely sculpted (YMMV) resin at unpleasantly high prices. So how's this going to affect Forgeworld? It's theoretically a double whammy for Forgeworld; unless they use GW (proper's) facilites to up their quality and lower their prices.

This is what I'm unsure of... will find out soon enough, I'm sure.

(ninja'ed, referring to Navarro)

George Spiggott wrote:So how's this going to affect Forgeworld? It's theoretically a double whammy for Forgeworld; unless they use GW (proper's) facilites to up their quality and lower their prices.

They got a C&D letter from GW, demanding to destroy all moulds

BTW the resin/plstik seems to be something like the Warmachine stuff, but chemically different. No idea about the practical characteristics.

Kanluwen wrote:]Me? I'm finishing my Guard and Dark Angels+Empire projects and then probably taking a nice long break from purchasing GW products. I think we need our space.

Plus, I'm kind of broke at the moment.

Finishing your GW collections is an investment in the future, if you one day intend to sell them you will be millionaire ... just look at oop ebay old metal citadel minis, some of those things are sold at crazy prices.

George Spiggott wrote:Since Forgeworld sell low quality casts of (finely sculpted) resin at extortionate prices, while GW (proper) sell high quality casts of finely sculpted (YMMV) resin at unpleasantly high prices. So how's this going to affect Forgeworld? It's theoretically a double whammy for Forgeworld; unless they use GW (proper's) facilites to up their quality and lower their prices.

Oh woe, if only FW would do that, I'd be their BFF again in no time at all.

I've been hoping that the resin rumour was true, so this has kind of made my day! There's a few models I've wanted to kitbash but have avoided because it would have meant using metal and plastic and ending up with an unholy top heavy monster! Resin servo harnesses FTW!
Other kits will just plain be easier to assemble.

Kits I'm hoping to see in resin fairly soon - Thunderfire Cannon and Techmarine, Hive Tyrant, Melta and Plasma guns, Vanguard Vets, Ghazghkull etc

As much as I want to bitch... Goddamn. If this resin is anything like plastic, I'm more than happy to pay the premium!!

Simply can't wait to check them out!