The Citadel Finecast metal to resin change thread.

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**Harry**

The good news is ... they have found a way to use the new material with existing moulds. So nothing need go out of production.

The bad news is ... they have taken the opportunity to shaft us a liitle more on the price.... which is nice.

**filbert**

Canis Wolfborn £30....

Yes, its a chunky model but £30?

Blow me, GW.

**reds8n**

Indeed.

It's more things like the bestpartof£15 for models like Abaddon that have me exhaling coca cola all over my monitor and keyboard .

**filbert**

The cheapest price on there seems to be £9.50.

If we compare like for like, Emperor's Champion is currently listed on the GW site for £8.20 so that's a £1.30 increase. Models like Canis that were already pretty pricey have jumped £5 or so. Just trying to figure out my rusty and ropey maths skills - that's something in the order of 16% hike right?

Even by GW standards, those price rises are astronomical...

**reds8n**

yeah.

It's really most odd which models have gone up and by what %... some models have just gone up a quid or less whilst others... I guess they really don't want anyone using Blood Knights anymore eh ? Looks to me like a few repacks as well, unless jezzails for example are in fact made of platinum.

**Kanluwen**

Platinum Jezzails are only counterable by Diamond Blood Knights!

**Pacific**

What a load of absolute gak. An inferior material, and the obligatory increase in price.

Well at least a lot of the metals will be kicking around on ebay for some years I would guess.

**Lorek**

Shall we start a new thread, or re-name this one, for clarity?

**SagesStone**

filbert wrote:The cheapest price on there seems to be £9.50.

If we compare like for like, Emperor's Champion is currently listed on the GW site for £8.20 so that's a £1.30 increase. Models like Canis that were already pretty pricey have jumped £5 or so. Just trying to figure out my rusty and ropey maths skills - that's something in the order of 16% hike right?

Even by GW standards, those price rises are astronomical...

Oh god.

**filbert**

Lorek wrote:Shall we start a new thread, or re-name this one, for clarity?

Got a feeling there will be a load more threads cropping up once this is announced 'officially'.

**ruyn**

I finally have something rumor-ish/news-ish to add to a rumor post!
So I can confirm that not only are these models lacking in stores, as many have noticed, but some models are no longer available on mail order, despite still being on the website.
After ordering several metal miniatures, I received a message explaining that there will be delays in my order and that the release schedule for these miniatures is as follows:

99239999030 Army Figure Case 17-May-11
99060108013 Battle Sisters 20-May-11
99060203089 Bretonnian Damsel with Staff 20-May-11
99110102083 Chaos Space Marines Plague Marines 20-May-11
99110101328 Dark Angels Master of the Ravenwing 20-May-11
99060112067 Dark Eldar Clawed Fiend 20-May-11
99060112068 Dark Eldar Razorwing Flock 20-May-11
99110101367 Deathwatch Kill Team Conversion Kit 20-May-11
99060107057 Grey Knight Brother-Captain 20-May-11
99060107058 Grey Knight Crusader 2 20-May-11
99060107060 Grey Knight Inquisitor with Inferno P 20-May-11
99060108077 Grey Knight Vindicare Assassin 20-May-11
99060108075 Grey Knight Warrior Acolyte 20-May-11
99060110022 Necron Lord and Resurrection Orb 20-May-11
99110213002 Ogre Kingdoms Tyrant 20-May-11
99060103111 Ork in Mega Armour with Kombi 20-May-11
99119915024 Plaguebearers of Nurgle 20-May-11
99060108059 Sisters Repentia 20-May-11
99060101334 Space Marine Chaplain with Crozius 20-May-11
99110101394 Space Marine Thunderfire Cannon 20-May-11
99140113005 Tau XV88 Broadside Battlesuit 20-May-11
99060106062 Tyranid Venomthrope 20-May-11
99060101396 Ultramarines Captain Sicarius 20-May-11
99060101451 Astorath the Grim 03-Jun-11
99110102065 Chaos Space Marines Emperor's Chil 03-Jun-11
99060101281 Dark Angel Tactical Sergeant 03-Jun-11
99060112056 Dark Eldar Archon 03-Jun-11
99110112059 Dark Eldar Incubi 03-Jun-11
99110209109 Goblin Doom Diver 03-Jun-11
99119915036 Greater Daemon of Nurgle 03-Jun-11
99120107002 Grey Knights 03-Jun-11
99110209041 Grom the Paunch of the Misty Mount 03-Jun-11
99110108051 Inquisitor Lord Karamazov on the 03-Jun-11
99060105162 Lord Castellan Ursarkar Creed & Kell 03-Jun-11
99060107064 Lord Kaldor Draigo 03-Jun-11
99110101299 Marneus Calgar and Honour Guard 03-Jun-11
99060599135 Necromunda: Redeemer and Malekev 03-Jun-11
99140110016 Necron Destroyer Lord 03-Jun-11
99060101315 Space Marine Chaplain in Terminator 03-Jun-11
99110207116 Tomb Kings Casket of Souls 03-Jun-11
99060207113 Tomb Kings Liche Priests 03-Jun-11
99060207132 Tomb Kings Ushabti Vulture 03-Jun-11
99060101208 Wolf Lord Logan Grimnar 03-Jun-11
99060207133 Settra, Tomb King Of Khemri 10-Jun-11
99060207120 High Queen Khalida 24-Jun-11
99060207127 Tomb King with Sword and Shield 24-Jun-11
99060207123 Tomb Kings Tomb Herald 24-Jun-11

Now since all of these are metal models that have been previously released, I'm not sure what the delays are. This may or may not have something to do with the rumor at hand, but I don't know for certain. I can't, however, think of another reason for the delays, so I'll let you guys be the judge.

Edit: Ok, so reds8n beat me to the list, but I've got the dates, so together with his prices, we have some news.

**Necros**

Is today the day they were supposed to make that big mystery announcement about the resin rumors being false and they're just repackaging stuff?

**creeping-deth87**

I don't see anything on their website and the product descriptions still say they're metal, how official is this?

**filbert**

creeping-deth87 wrote:I don't see anything on their website and the product descriptions still say they're metal, how official is this?

Because they are notoriously slow at updating their website. Remember, GW like to pretend the internet will go away if they ignore it enough.

**Kanluwen**

Necros wrote:Is today the day they were supposed to make that big mystery announcement about the resin rumors being false and they're just repackaging stuff?

They were supposed to make that big mystery announcement...to retailers.

**NAVARRO**

Resin Hybrids? So the cult is back?

**mikhaila**

Kanluwen wrote:
Necros wrote:Is today the day they were supposed to make that big mystery announcement about the resin rumors being false and they're just repackaging stuff?

They were supposed to make that big mystery announcement...to retailers.

Yep, that was what we got told. I've put in calls, left messages. Waiting to hear back.

**Agamemnon2**

a 30% price hike on a Death Jester? How stupid are they?

**Howard A Treesong**

reds8n wrote: Indeed.

It's more things like the bestpartof£15 for models like Abaddon that have me exhaling coca cola all over my monitor and keyboard .

Yep, £15 for a tired old model that's older than several of the members here' What a joke. Please GW release a new Abaddon, he's the leader of the Chaos forces and looks like a wimp.

Did GW make this change over to "save money"? They save themselves money and still put the prices up. I suspected it would be the case but it's going to be a bit of a blow for those that thought prices would remain static.

**Antonius**

Hybrid resin models? I wonder how they'll spin this in the usual week late email saying its wonderful news?

**LavuranGuard**

Wasn't the reason they were switching away from metal because it was becoming too expensive? Now it's resin and more money so that's plain bull.

I thought this would happen, and it makes me really sad, GW is a complete price gouger, oh for the days of a £2.99 blister with 5 METAL figures!

**mikhaila**

Antonius wrote:Hybrid resin models? I wonder how they'll spin this in the usual week late email saying its wonderful news?

Hybrid used to be a kit with metal and plastic parts. Now we'll see things like a Broadside Battlesuit with resin and plastic parts.

**Kanluwen**

Howard A Treesong wrote:
reds8n wrote: Indeed.

It's more things like the bestpartof£15 for models like Abaddon that have me exhaling coca cola all over my monitor and keyboard .

Yep, £15 for a tired old model that's older than several of the members here' What a joke. Please GW release a new Abaddon, he's the leader of the Chaos forces and looks like a wimp.

Did GW make this change over to "save money"? They save themselves money and still put the prices up. I suspected it would be the case but it's going to be a bit of a blow for those that thought prices would remain static.

Pft. Clearly this price jump is because they had to find a middle man to sell all the remaining stockpile of metal and beat the Production Line Fairy to change their production lines over from metal spin-casting to resin.

(Note: That's sarcasm. I didn't expect prices to stay the same or lower, but meh. Not really skin off my back other than cutting down on me buying a few metal models from ranges I have no intention of collecting an army for and just want to paint).

**filbert**

Are we sure they aren't planning on moving to a sort of resin/plastic combo? Mantic do a similar thing for their undead Revenant cavalry - they call it restic, rather snappily.

**Kanluwen**

filbert wrote:Are we sure they aren't planning on moving to a sort of resin/plastic combo? Mantic do a similar thing for their undead Revenant cavalry - they call it restic, rather snappily.

Supposedly that's what they were doing, actually.

**NAVARRO**

Not a big surprise on the price gauge but I think the percentages this time are just way to big.
Now lets see the quality of these "Citadel Fine Cast's" I can only espect Mcvey studios casts quality opposed to FW cast quality.

**DAWARBOSS**

wait, are we sure GW is switching to resin? it could be a plastic kit, similar to the SM captain.

**RiTides**

Help, I'm confused. Here's reds8n's list:

reds8n wrote:Starting from the 28th of May 120 products that were Games Workshop direct only items will be coming back on the shelves as resin or resin Hybrids. This new range “Citadel Fine Cast” range will be limited in number for the first few months, so we will be taking advance orders for them.

Here are the new recast products at the full RRP;

41-60 COMMANDER DANTE £10.50
53-60 LOGAN GRIMNAR £14.50
55-61 THE EMPERORS CHAMPION £9.50
48-63 SPACE MARINE CHAPLAIN WITH JUMP PACK £10.50
44-60 DARK ANGELS COMPANY MASTER £10.50
48-61 SM LIBRARIAN IN TERMINATOR ARMOUR £14.50
53-61 NJAL STORMCALLER £14.50
41-61 ASTORATH THE GRIM £12.50
43-60 ABADDON THE DESPOILER £14.50
43-61 HURON BLACKHEART £10.50
50-61 ORK WARBOSS WITH ATTACK SQUIG £14.50
50-63 ORK BIG MEK £14.50
50-65 ORK PAINBOY WITH GROT ORDERLY £10.50
46-61 ELDAR AUTARCH WITH POWER WEAPON £10.50
46-62 THE AVATAR OF KHAINE £22.50
46-63 HARLEQUIN DEATH JESTER £10.50
46-64 HARLEQUIN SHADOWSEER £10.50
47-61 COMMISSAR YARRICK £10.50
47-63 IMPERIAL GUARD LORD COMMISSAR £9.50
51-61 TYRANID ZOANTHROPE £15.50
51-63 TYRANID TYRANT GUARD £15.50
51-64 TYRANID HIVE GUARD £15.50
51-65 TYRANID BROODLORD £15.50
57-61 BROTHER CAPTAIN STERN £14.50
57-60 LORD KALDOR DRAIGO £14.50
57-62 CASTELLAN CROWE £10.50
57-63 INQUISITOR COTEAZ £10.50
45-60 DARK ELDAR ARCHON £9.50
45-64 LELITH HESPERAX £10.50
45-63 URIEN RAKARTH £10.50
45-61 DARK ELDAR SUCCUBUS £9.50
56-60 TAU ETHEREAL WITH HONOUR BLADE £9.50
83-62 CHAOS EXALTED HERO £9.50
83-63 CHAOS KHORNE EXALTED HERO £10.50
86-60 EMPIRE CAPTAIN WITH HAMMER & PISTOL £9.50
92-60 WOOD ELF HIGHBORN WITH GREAT WEAPON £9.50
84-60 DWARF LORD WITH HAMMER & SHIELD £9.50
84-61 DWARF RUNELORD WITH GREAT WEAPON £9.50
90-60 SKAVEN WARLORD £9.50
90-61 QUEEK HEADTAKER £10.50
90-62 DEATHMASTER SNIKCH £10.50
91-61 VAMPIRE LORD £9.50
89-60 GRIMGOR IRONHIDE £10.50
89-62 BLACK ORC BIG BOSS £10.50
87-60 CARADRYAN £10.50
85-61 DARK ELF ASSASSIN WITH TWO HAND WEAPONS £9.50
81-60 MALAGOR THE DARK OMEN £12.50
10-61 URUK-HAI WITH CROSSBOWS £14.00
10-62 URUK-HAI BERSERKERS £14.00
08-61 GOTHMOG (PELENNOR) £20.50
05-60 ELROND AND GIL-GALAD £15.00
10-60 SARUMAN AND GRIMA £15.00
02-60 GANDALF THE WHITE £20.50
04-60 ARAGORN (THE BLACK GATE) £20.50
04-62 THEODEN (HELM’S DEEP) £20.50
04-61 BOROMIR (ITHILIEN) £20.50
09-60 SULADAN THE SERPENT LORD £20.50
08-62 THE DARK MARSHAL (RINGWRAITH) £20.50
05-61 DAIN AND BALIN £15.00
97-60 SKULLTAKER £14.50
48-40 MARNEUS CALGAR AND HONOUR GUARD £36.00
48-41 SPACE MARINE TECHMARINE WITH SERVITORS £25.50
55-40 BLACK TEMPLARS SWORD BRETHREN SQUAD £25.50
48-42 SPACE MARINE STERNGUARD VETERAN SQUAD £25.50
48-43 SPACE MARINE VANGUARD VETERAN SQUAD £25.50
53-40 CANIS WOLFBORN £30.00
43-40 NURGLE DAEMON PRINCE £21.50
43-41 CHAOS SPACE MARINE RAPTORS £25.50
43-42 DEATH GUARD PLAGUE MARINES £25.50
50-43 BOSS ZAGSTRUK £14.50
50-40 GHAZGHKULL THRAKA £22.50
50-41 ORK TANKBUSTAS £25.50
50-42 ORK BIG MEK WITH SHOKK ATTACK GUN £23.00
46-41 ELDAR RANGERS £20.50
46-42 ELDAR DARK REAPERS £23.00
46-44 ELDAR STRIKING SCORPIONS £23.00
46-40 ELDAR FARSEER AND WARLOCKS £20.50
51-42 TYRANID LICTOR £15.50
51-40 TYRANID HIVE TYRANT £36.00
51-41 TYRANID PYROVORE £21.50
45-40 DARK ELDAR INCUBI £23.00
45-41 DARK ELDAR MANDRAKES £20.50
56-40 TAU SNIPER DRONE TEAM £23.00
83-42 ARCHAON THE EVERCHOSEN £30.00
83-43 CHAOS LORD ON DAEMONIC MOUNT £22.50
83-41 CHAOS DRAGON OGRE SHAGGOTH £36.00
86-41 LUDWIG SCHWARZHELM £22.50
86-40 KURT HELBORG £22.50
82-41 THE GREEN KNIGHT £22.50
82-40 KING LOUEN LEONCOEUR £30.00
92-42 WOOD ELVES TREE KIN £30.00
92-40 ORION KING IN THE WOODS £22.50
92-41 WOOD ELVES TREEMAN £36.00
84-40 THOREK IRONBROW £36.00
84-41 DWARF GYROCOPTER £23.00
84-42 DWARF BOLT THROWER £23.00
90-40 SKAVEN WARPLOCK JEZZAILS £30.00
91-40 VAMPIRE COUNTS VARGHULF £21.50
91-42 COUNT MANNFRED £22.50
91-41 VAMPIRE COUNTS BLOOD KNIGHTS £61.50
88-41 KROQ GAR £40.00
89-44 GOBLIN SPEAR CHUKKA £18.50
89-43 SAVAGE ORC GREAT SHAMAN ON WAR BOAR £15.50
89-41 ORC WARBOSS ON WYVERN £40.00
89-42 GOBLIN ROCK LOBBER £23.00
89-45 GORBAD IRONCLAW £30.00
89-40 AZHAG THE SLAUGHTERER £55.00
85-41 DARK ELVES REAPER BOLT THROWER £18.50
08-40 THE DARK LORD SAURON £25.50
08-42 GULAHVAR THE TERROR OF ARNOR £30.00
08-43 MORDOR TROLL CHIEFTAIN £25.50
02-40 THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING £37.00
97-42 FLAMERS OF TZEENTCH £15.50

Now here's ruyn's list:

ruyn wrote:99239999030 Army Figure Case 17-May-11
99060108013 Battle Sisters 20-May-11
99060203089 Bretonnian Damsel with Staff 20-May-11
99110102083 Chaos Space Marines Plague Marines 20-May-11
99110101328 Dark Angels Master of the Ravenwing 20-May-11
99060112067 Dark Eldar Clawed Fiend 20-May-11
99060112068 Dark Eldar Razorwing Flock 20-May-11
99110101367 Deathwatch Kill Team Conversion Kit 20-May-11
99060107057 Grey Knight Brother-Captain 20-May-11
99060107058 Grey Knight Crusader 2 20-May-11
99060107060 Grey Knight Inquisitor with Inferno P 20-May-11
99060108077 Grey Knight Vindicare Assassin 20-May-11
99060108075 Grey Knight Warrior Acolyte 20-May-11
99060110022 Necron Lord and Resurrection Orb 20-May-11
99110213002 Ogre Kingdoms Tyrant 20-May-11
99060103111 Ork in Mega Armour with Kombi 20-May-11
99119915024 Plaguebearers of Nurgle 20-May-11
99060108059 Sisters Repentia 20-May-11
99060101334 Space Marine Chaplain with Crozius 20-May-11
99110101394 Space Marine Thunderfire Cannon 20-May-11
99140113005 Tau XV88 Broadside Battlesuit 20-May-11
99060106062 Tyranid Venomthrope 20-May-11
99060101396 Ultramarines Captain Sicarius 20-May-11
99060101451 Astorath the Grim 03-Jun-11
99110102065 Chaos Space Marines Emperor's Chil 03-Jun-11
99060101281 Dark Angel Tactical Sergeant 03-Jun-11
99060112056 Dark Eldar Archon 03-Jun-11
99110112059 Dark Eldar Incubi 03-Jun-11
99110209109 Goblin Doom Diver 03-Jun-11
99119915036 Greater Daemon of Nurgle 03-Jun-11
99120107002 Grey Knights 03-Jun-11
99110209041 Grom the Paunch of the Misty Mount 03-Jun-11
99110108051 Inquisitor Lord Karamazov on the 03-Jun-11
99060105162 Lord Castellan Ursarkar Creed & Kell 03-Jun-11
99060107064 Lord Kaldor Draigo 03-Jun-11
99110101299 Marneus Calgar and Honour Guard 03-Jun-11
99060599135 Necromunda: Redeemer and Malekev 03-Jun-11
99140110016 Necron Destroyer Lord 03-Jun-11
99060101315 Space Marine Chaplain in Terminator 03-Jun-11
99110207116 Tomb Kings Casket of Souls 03-Jun-11
99060207113 Tomb Kings Liche Priests 03-Jun-11
99060207132 Tomb Kings Ushabti Vulture 03-Jun-11
99060101208 Wolf Lord Logan Grimnar 03-Jun-11
99060207133 Settra, Tomb King Of Khemri 10-Jun-11
99060207120 High Queen Khalida 24-Jun-11
99060207127 Tomb King with Sword and Shield 24-Jun-11
99060207123 Tomb Kings Tomb Herald 24-Jun-11

This is NOT the same list... I got ruyn's list in an email after I placed an order for 2 DE Clawed Fiends (coming in on May 20th, as shown above). These are not mentioned anywhere in reds8n's list. DE Clawed Fiends are coming in on May 20th, and should be shipped then, and I expect them to be all-metal.

However, they were on HBMC's list of models that were being discontinued (which is why I ordered them). But again, they're not on reds8n's list of models to be put out in resin or metal/resin hybrid.

What's with the discrepancy? I.e. Where are the missing models that were rumored to be discontinued, but aren't in the resin list reds8n posted?

**Antonius**

mikhaila wrote:
Antonius wrote:Hybrid resin models? I wonder how they'll spin this in the usual week late email saying its wonderful news?

Hybrid used to be a kit with metal and plastic parts. Now we'll see things like a Broadside Battlesuit with resin and plastic parts.

Oh, I know. And they were / are a royal PITA to assemble and pin!

Pity that they're price-gouging, yet again. :(

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

I see Maelstrom added the news we where expecting.

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=new&ref=212