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Yeah, the Kraken was $125 while its dual kit is $110. Looks like even bigger drops on the newer versions of the Prime Axiom and Conquest. So yeah, probably will be cheaper than the older colossals.
Question: Is there any place I can go to see which PP models are HIPS? Their PVC offerings are something I'm not interested in, but there are some things I'd probably get if they were HIPS.
Albertorius wrote: Question: Is there any place I can go to see which PP models are HIPS? Their PVC offerings are something I'm not interested in, but there are some things I'd probably get if they were HIPS.
The current HIPS models are: Reliant/Stormclad, (upcoming) Stormwall/Hurricane, (upcoming) Indictor/Guardian, Grolar/Kodiak, Beserker/Mad Dog/Rager, (upcoming) Victor/Conquest, Kraken/Sepulcher, Inflictor/Seether, (upcoming) Rhulic battle Engine, Transfinite Emergance Projector, Prime Axiom/Conflux, (upcoming) Storm Raptor, (upcoming/at some point) Desert Hydra, Meat Thresher. The Hyperion/Hypnos and Revelator/Judicator will almost definitely be HIPS too.
Might have missed a couple but I think that's everything.
Albertorius wrote: Question: Is there any place I can go to see which PP models are HIPS? Their PVC offerings are something I'm not interested in, but there are some things I'd probably get if they were HIPS.
The current HIPS models are: Reliant/Stormclad, (upcoming) Stormwall/Hurricane, (upcoming) Indictor/Guardian, Grolar/Kodiak, Beserker/Mad Dog/Rager, (upcoming) Victor/Conquest, Kraken/Sepulcher, Inflictor/Seether, (upcoming) Rhulic battle Engine, Transfinite Emergance Projector, Prime Axiom/Conflux, (upcoming) Storm Raptor, (upcoming/at some point) Desert Hydra, Meat Thresher. The Hyperion/Hypnos and Revelator/Judicator will almost definitely be HIPS too.
Might have missed a couple but I think that's everything.
Thank you very much! I see a Grolar/Kodiak in my future, now...
matous1983 wrote: Hi!
Just wanted to show our new addition 2D terrain sets made of mousepad material for SmogCon UK tournament. You can check at http://www.gamemat.eu/
Not a knock on gamermat.eu as these look like a nice set of terrain pieces for those using 2D terrain. I was quite excited to restart Warmachine and Hordes when they released the new starter sets and rules. I actually ordered a couple starters (one WM the other Hordes) but then I found out the local group was strictly tournament focused and only played on 2D terrain it kind of killed my enthusiasm, as I'm more a modeler than a tournament player so I like to see my finished miniatures play on nice 3D terrain. YMMV.
I'm a big fan of a mixed approach. 2D terrain areas work wonders for the game, but you can keep the table looking visually interesting by identifying the template with nicely made 3D markers. A set of trees that you can shift around when they get in the way on the forest template or pile of rocks for rough terrain works great.
Not a huge fan of 2D impassible terrain. 3D buildings go a long way. By this same measure, I'm not fond of "top of trees" 2D terrain for forests, but I understand why people use them. The only piece of terrain I haven't really solved is hills, which just don't have a great visual middle ground.
matous1983 wrote: Hi! Just wanted to show our new addition 2D terrain sets made of mousepad material for SmogCon UK tournament. You can check at http://www.gamemat.eu/
Not a knock on gamermat.eu as these look like a nice set of terrain pieces for those using 2D terrain. I was quite excited to restart Warmachine and Hordes when they released the new starter sets and rules. I actually ordered a couple starters (one WM the other Hordes) but then I found out the local group was strictly tournament focused and only played on 2D terrain it kind of killed my enthusiasm, as I'm more a modeler than a tournament player so I like to see my finished miniatures play on nice 3D terrain. YMMV.
It looks so bad when the top of a canopy of trees or a building is lower than the feet of an infantryman.
The local players here also have gone the route of all mousepad terrain. I won't play on it. My WM/H gaming went from weekly to ever two months, so I think I'm going to sell everything except 75 points of retribution. I want my wargaming to look like this:
and not like this:
I wonder if the majority of WM/H players would be better served by a diskwars approach.
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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
While I don't play Warmachine (tried once when it first game out 15 years ago...and quite halfway through one turn!), I did a big doubletake when I attended a convention which had a side board for a Warmachine tournament.
The organizers were setting up the tables - green felt. They then walked around and tossed black and grey rectangles of felt on the tables (literally tossing them so they landed randomly) and that was it....
Tournament-accuracy be damned...that's not something I'd ever play or get into. As with Frozen, table top wargaming is a hobby for a reason. Personally if a rule set required 2D terrain I'd just skip it altogether. If you have to argue that much to decide if something is in cover or not in cover - your rules system needs serious work (or the players do!).
While I've occasionally gone back to look at Warmachine models; I do love me some Khador warjacks, the tournament/2D aspect would absolutely kill it for me stone dead. Shame really.
To be fair, WM/H doesn't suffer much from ambiguity about cover. 2d terrain plus lasers and base edges makes it very, very clear. There's no "half behind" or anything like that you have to judge.
As for the felt chunks on felt for the tournament, it makes sense when the majority of the armies being put there are unpainted and the players don't care about visuals at all. I also think the tables might get adjusted as objective templates get put down as there are rules about terrain in or near objectives. My guess is the organizers were simply dolling out the terrain templates for each table and they were adjusted to the scenarios before each round.
When a friend of mine first became a press ganger (Privateer's volunteer program) he asked me to help him make the terrain for 4 tables for his first event. I was like "Sure, I think I can get my hands on a hot wire cutter and I have loads of flock, sand and paint. I saw a few youtube videos on making hedges and trees quickly." His response: "I'm just going to the craft store to get those coloured sheets of foam a few millimetres thick and wanted your help to cut shapes out of them."
I stuck around playing a lot longer than I should have after that warning sign. It's been a steady decline in terrain quality since. And when the mousepad terrain came out, it was actually a step up in terms of overall look (they simply look better than felt or craft foam shapes) but a complete eradication of 3d terrain.
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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
I've gotten used to flat area terrain (pref. with a couple removable trees or w/e) since 3-d can really be a pain, but yeah, the completely flat stuff across the board is just boring as hell.
One of the reasons I finally had to just give up on WMH in my area was people obsession with flat featureless color blob terrain, which went hand-in-hand with an overly obsessiveness about minute angle and distance measuring - as if it wasn't a wargame with all the limitations and inaccuracies of chunky physical objects.
They should just move to a grid based game like the old D&D minis and have everything flat and exact.
Yeah, I'm actually moving really in favor of grid systems. For all the nuance they lose, I feel they more than make up for it with how easy and unambiguous things are- other than the often-forgotten question of whether exact corners block, it's just so much less hassle than both of you feeling irritated about whether it's at the edge of range or not.
But, WM/H isn't grid-based, so, yeah, it's a little unreasonable, but promoted by the competitive environment...
The game might actually work quite well on hexes or squares with clear rules about which hex facing or square side los passes through (like Battletech has).
As for grid wargaming in general, it has a long history. Joseph Morschauser started doing it in the late 1950s:
Spoiler:
As far as we can tell, he's also the guy who came up with multiple figures mounted on a single base.
And people are keeping his original approach alive to this day. More in the UK than anywhere else. Though there are people all over the world doing it thanks to Bob Cordery's work preserving and representing the rules/approach. Mike Lewis' game:
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
MrFlutterPie wrote:I love the fat cat lying on the box
bbb wrote:Shouldn't there be more than one cat on that base?
Or at least some figures to crew the cat.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
Kanluwen wrote: Can someone explain this to me?
Why are Caine and the "remaining two Black 13th" a Mercenary unit?
From what I understand, Caine resigned his commission at the end of the Mark of Caine novel.
However they are partisan Cygnar (like Connie), so they can still be taken as a Cygnar caster.
I've lost track of a lot of the details since the fluff departed from the main books and became separate books that focus on Cygnar and everyone else be damned, but the jyst is The kid Caine was on assignment to assassinate is now in charge of Cygnar. Caine quit. Then Mark of Caine happened. B13 went after him l, their leader died, they decided they still liked Caine and hooked up with him.
Seems like an impossible task to release a new faction for this game. With limited pieces they'll need to have their finger truly on the pulse to have them meta relevant.
The new beta testing sounds promising to that end though.
BlaxicanX wrote: A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
