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 Skywave wrote:
Same, my order is on the way already too. Seems standard with MTO from the past few times I bought some. Only one instance were it took near the 180 days limit with the Marauder Giant, otherwise it always looked like they had everything in stock.

Yeah, it's been nice to get the last few MTOs pretty much immediately after waiting way past the 180 days for the first TOW Bret/TK round and the full lead time for the Marauder Giant wave.

I also got my Empire MTO email yesterday. I could only justify buying the Commanders of the Empire. Very happy it's en route since it took the whole 180 day mark for me to get my MTO Rogue Trader reprint.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Back in the day - prior to sixth edition - pretty much every army could drag along whatever monsters they wanted (short of, I think, hydras and gorgons being restricted to dark elves?). At the end of fifth GW was almost encouraging people to dilute their army identity by pushing Dogs of War. And then Storm of Magic gave people extra points only to spend on big monsters...

Yep. Back in 5th edition I could put a Bretonnian General on an Emperor Dragon. So I did.

I've only ever collected Bretonnia, so for the past 20 years I've had a beautiful centrepiece dragon and nothing to do with it. Oh well. It's still beautiful.

 Return_to_Bretonnia wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Back in the day - prior to sixth edition - pretty much every army could drag along whatever monsters they wanted (short of, I think, hydras and gorgons being restricted to dark elves?). At the end of fifth GW was almost encouraging people to dilute their army identity by pushing Dogs of War. And then Storm of Magic gave people extra points only to spend on big monsters...

Yep. Back in 5th edition I could put a Bretonnian General on an Emperor Dragon. So I did.

But did you do it in 1,500pt games where almost nothing could stand up to it (especially with the Tress)?

 Baragash wrote:

 Return_to_Bretonnia wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Back in the day - prior to sixth edition - pretty much every army could drag along whatever monsters they wanted (short of, I think, hydras and gorgons being restricted to dark elves?). At the end of fifth GW was almost encouraging people to dilute their army identity by pushing Dogs of War. And then Storm of Magic gave people extra points only to spend on big monsters...

Yep. Back in 5th edition I could put a Bretonnian General on an Emperor Dragon. So I did.

But did you do it in 1,500pt games where almost nothing could stand up to it (especially with the Tress)?

The Emperor Dragon alone was 750 points, so not useable in a 1500 point force.

There is a fine line between adhering to a theme, and making something 2 dimensional because you're defining it ONLY by that theme.

No culture is that simple.

Put it this way, elegant beasts, only using swords, only having conical helmets etc, is to elves what ponchos and sombreros are to mexicans, or cowboy hats and spurs for the US.

Verisimilitude requires both consistent motifs and themes AND unique and different ones.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Baragash wrote:

 Return_to_Bretonnia wrote:
Yep. Back in 5th edition I could put a Bretonnian General on an Emperor Dragon. So I did.

But did you do it in 1,500pt games where almost nothing could stand up to it (especially with the Tress)?

The Emperor Dragon alone was 750 points, so not useable in a 1500 point force.

I never played much, so I honestly can't remember how many points it was. I just remember that in one of my few games, the Emperor Dragon was somehow destroyed in one turn by my friend's Verminlord. That stung.

Was the Verminlord carrying a fellblade?

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Baragash wrote:

 Return_to_Bretonnia wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Back in the day - prior to sixth edition - pretty much every army could drag along whatever monsters they wanted (short of, I think, hydras and gorgons being restricted to dark elves?). At the end of fifth GW was almost encouraging people to dilute their army identity by pushing Dogs of War. And then Storm of Magic gave people extra points only to spend on big monsters...

Yep. Back in 5th edition I could put a Bretonnian General on an Emperor Dragon. So I did.

But did you do it in 1,500pt games where almost nothing could stand up to it (especially with the Tress)?

The Emperor Dragon alone was 750 points, so not useable in a 1500 point force.

Brets had a 75% character allowance.

 nathan2004 wrote:
Was the Verminlord carrying a fellblade?

Did anyone in those days field a Verminlord that wasn't carrying a Fellblade?

Verminlords couldn't choose Magic Items, but they had something like 7 WS8 S8 attacks causing D3 wounds, so it was possible though unlikely to take down an Emp in one turn (4s to hit, 4s to wound, no save).

 Baragash wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

The Emperor Dragon alone was 750 points, so not useable in a 1500 point force.

Brets had a 75% character allowance.

Touché!

 Baragash wrote:
Verminlords couldn't choose Magic Items

This. Vermin Lords weren't allowed any Magic Items beyond the Doom Glaive.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Baragash wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

The Emperor Dragon alone was 750 points, so not useable in a 1500 point force.

Brets had a 75% character allowance.

Touché!

A fitting riposte on multiple levels!

 Overread wrote:

That is also extends to the wildlife of the setting is doubly interesting. The idea that elves would only choose sleek, elegant and "pretty" animals/beasts to fight alongside whilst only "dark" and evil elves would choose the chunky more brutal looking ones is certainly easy to see from the design language of each faction; however at the same time there's no real reason High Elves wouldn't tame an "ugly" beast if it was within their lands and amenable to being tamed/convinced to fight for them.

When I see the ugly nasty creature fighting for noblebright elves I just assume they're goading the thing, either with force or magic.

 RustyNumber wrote:

When I see the ugly nasty creature fighting for noblebright elves I just assume they're goading the thing, either with force or magic.

That's actually exactly what is happening, and previous editions included this as a game mechanic. The Merwyrm is bound by Mages and pressed to fight against its will.
There are no nice Elves.

Mozzamanx wrote:

 RustyNumber wrote:

When I see the ugly nasty creature fighting for noblebright elves I just assume they're goading the thing, either with force or magic.

That's actually exactly what is happening, and previous editions included this as a game mechanic. The Merwyrm is bound by Mages and pressed to fight against its will.
There are no nice Elves.

Indeed. At least the Dark Elves are honest about it.

Mozzamanx wrote:

There are no nice Elves.

There's a reason for the white robes and pointy hats.

Mozzamanx wrote:

There are no nice Elves.

Found the Dwarf player.

Hahahahahahaha

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Mozzamanx wrote:

There are no nice Elves.

There's a reason for the white robes and pointy hats.

Oh. Oh, my...

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Mozzamanx wrote:

There are no nice Elves.

There's a reason for the white robes and pointy hats.

Oh. Oh, my...

Only a problem after labor day in the south.....Oh I see what you did there.

I got my Empire Commanders MTO yesterday. Huzzah!

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I got my Empire Commanders MTO yesterday. Huzzah!

My War Wagons arrived too!

Though, I am immensely disappointed that several of the crew weapons are multi-piece, such as just a single prong of the man-catcher...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Mozzamanx wrote:

There are no nice Elves.

There's a reason for the white robes and pointy hats.

Of course there is. If they were nice they wouldn't be doing penance.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I got my Empire Commanders MTO yesterday. Huzzah!

My War Wagons arrived too!

Though, I am immensely disappointed that several of the crew weapons are multi-piece, such as just a single prong of the man-catcher...

I have two of the mancatcher guys and the Hochland long rifle guy when I was buying bits a la carte when Mordheim was new. The long rifle was for my Marienburger warband the mancatchers were for D&D henchmen (that I still haven't gotten around to painting).

 KidCthulhu wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I got my Empire Commanders MTO yesterday. Huzzah!

My War Wagons arrived too!

Though, I am immensely disappointed that several of the crew weapons are multi-piece, such as just a single prong of the man-catcher...

I have two of the mancatcher guys and the Hochland long rifle guy when I was buying bits a la carte when Mordheim was new. The long rifle was for my Marienburger warband the mancatchers were for D&D henchmen (that I still haven't gotten around to painting).

I have them in metal from when they were re-released in 6th as the Steam Tank Fighting Platform, and they were all single-piece. I am confused as to why they would need to change that for the resin versions.

Presumably due to the difference in materials and manufacturing process. Metal miniatures are spun in a mould to push the air out, resins are poured and then degassed to release the air inside the resin. Perhaps they couldn't avoid bubbles if it had remained in one piece. I'm sure they would tested it and not just done it for giggles.

My war wagon was purchased in the 90s, so I can't recall how many pieces the crew were in. But I remember them being in one piece. There's probably a catalogue image somewhere that can be checked.

EDIT:

The catalogue indicates they were all one piece

http://solegends.com/citcat1999/c1999p0390-00.jpg

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ovvnjzam/sunday-preview-the-first-high-elves-sail-from-ulthuan/

High elves! Let’s goooooooooooo

No Seaguard in first wave?
I suppose the second wave will come sooner rather than later, like they did wih the Empire release.

Now I just have to figure out if I need to ad 30 swordmasters to the 20 IoB masters I already got.