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 Fenriswulf wrote:
Man, I should really learn to read properly. It was spelled out on page 33 and I completely missed it, thinking they were only available in the combined box itself. Gah.

In any case, thank you. I will keep an eye out for how the miniatures turn out. Hoping for open palm left hands so I can do gun conversions easier, but I don't know if that will be an option or not.


All good, there is a sprue pic doing the rounds somewhere as well (may very well be in the vid I linked above) that could answer that question.

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Re: popularity, the ICv2 reports indicate Legion has been a top 5 minis game since its release, at times doing better than AoS and X-Wing. While it's possible that, as some have suggested, this is getting "carried" by SW fans who don't actually play the game, my impression thus far is that there's quite a robust scene.

(Just got back from Adepticon, where Legion had a major invitational tournament with awesome terrain, two streaming tables with live commentary from an "analysis desk", a 64-man "last chance qualifier" the day before the invitational, free flight and hotel to World Championships for the top 8, etc.)

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have to admit t hat t he new core (clone wars) will at the very least make me buy the core to paint up. I think it would be a good way to get a few of my board game friends into wargaming. Not sure if my wargaming group would give it a try besides for the novelty of being star wars.

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It's a solid rules system. Feels like someone's "how I would fix 40k" style project with a few quirks of its own, but its rules are worth a shot for veteran wargamers fwiw.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
It's a solid rules system. Feels like someone's "how I would fix 40k" style project with a few quirks of its own, but its rules are worth a shot for veteran wargamers fwiw.
I always felt it was more like "how can I get X-Wing players into something more 40k-like?"
   
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cerealkiller195 wrote:
have to admit t hat t he new core (clone wars) will at the very least make me buy the core to paint up. I think it would be a good way to get a few of my board game friends into wargaming. Not sure if my wargaming group would give it a try besides for the novelty of being star wars.

It would work on me. I've always rejected SWL because it's galactic civil war.

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Counter point to that is that a load of people won't be interested in the Clone Wars, so I hope they keep proper stock of the galactic civil war.

 
   
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 Sqorgar wrote:
 LunarSol wrote:
It's a solid rules system. Feels like someone's "how I would fix 40k" style project with a few quirks of its own, but its rules are worth a shot for veteran wargamers fwiw.
I always felt it was more like "how can I get X-Wing players into something more 40k-like?"


funny, for me it feels more like Mantics FireFight with Scenarios and nothing like 40k

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 kodos wrote:

funny, for me it feels more like Mantics FireFight with Scenarios and nothing like 40k

I'd be surprised if FFG even knew what Mantic was. By 40k-like, I mean a hobby miniatures game rather than a prepaint hybrid game like X-Wing.

FFG wanted something more in the miniatures field. It's easy to see why. FFG basically owns the Ameritrash field and further growth requires moving into a new area of expertise. It opens up new product lines and customers. Miniatures seems like an obvious place to grow into, as FFG has a lot of experience making games that are basically miniature games already (X-Wing, Armada, BattleLore 2E, Battles of Westeros, Imperial Assault). The problem is that miniatures requires a lot more from the players. They are unassembled and unpainted and board gamers want none of that (the threads on Monsterpocalypse moving into hobby miniatures were so bitter and angry).

RuneWars was the first try. RuneWars was basically X-Wing but fantasy, and though they killed it after two years, I think it was actually a big success in doing what it was likely intended to do - be a dry run for Legion. They learned from their mistakes and Legion was able to close the gaps where board gamers were having trouble, as well as commit to a monthly release schedule that keeps the game alive in the minds of gamers. Now, X-Wing is kind of dropping a bit due to the second edition, and Legion is poised to take its place as a more profitable game for FFG in a new field. It's really impressive what they've done here, though I feel like another year or two of RuneWars would've been nice.
   
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 Kingsley wrote:
Re: popularity, the ICv2 reports indicate Legion has been a top 5 minis game since its release, at times doing better than AoS and X-Wing. While it's possible that, as some have suggested, this is getting "carried" by SW fans who don't actually play the game, my impression thus far is that there's quite a robust scene.


Agreed. I think there are plenty of people just buying the models because they like Star Wars in the same way there are tons of people who just buy GW models because they like to collect them or paint them, and don't actually play any of the games. Lie me for example. Before Necromunda came out I hadn't played a GW game since... 4th edition 40K? But I would still buy models every now and then because I enjoyed painting them. Similarly, out of the 15-20 people I personally know who buy GW models on a regular basis, only 4 of them actually play any GW games on a regular basis. Mostly the rest either play rpgs or just collect and paint. Some of them are people like me who used to play a lot but no longer have the time, but quite a few of them have never played 40K or WH Fantasy, and their exposure to GW has been through the novels or games like Necormunda or Blackstone Fortress, or just seeing models ta the game shop and liking them.

Anyway, I'm enjoying Legion. Its a fun game, and after a year it feels like it has a lot of variety within its two factions.
   
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 Sqorgar wrote:
 kodos wrote:

funny, for me it feels more like Mantics FireFight with Scenarios and nothing like 40k

I'd be surprised if FFG even knew what Mantic was. By 40k-like, I mean a hobby miniatures game rather than a prepaint hybrid game like X-Wing.


As "know your competition" is important I would be surprised if those people making SW:L would not know about other SciFi Games on the market.

But I would have never guessed that you talk about "hobby miniature game" in general by saying 40k-like as 40k is a very specific part of the the tabletop gaming hobby.
Same you could say X-Wing is a Warhammer Underworlds like game

FFG wanted something more in the miniatures field. It's easy to see why. FFG basically owns the Ameritrash field and further growth requires moving into a new area of expertise. It opens up new product lines and customers. Miniatures seems like an obvious place to grow into, as FFG has a lot of experience making games that are basically miniature games already (X-Wing, Armada, BattleLore 2E, Battles of Westeros, Imperial Assault). The problem is that miniatures requires a lot more from the players. They are unassembled and unpainted and board gamers want none of that


This is a thing but i would not connect that to 40k as making an addition to their board games is kind of a logical step to keep those tabletop affine people that were not really happy with IA, but not upset the boardgamers as those still have their games.

And what FFG has learned is that just having a good game does not mean much as long as you don't have a strong IP that drives sales

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Clones in HIPS would be probably make me pick up this game, especially if I could get a Dark Side Anakin to make an Order 66 army.

   
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pm713 wrote:
cerealkiller195 wrote:
have to admit t hat t he new core (clone wars) will at the very least make me buy the core to paint up. I think it would be a good way to get a few of my board game friends into wargaming. Not sure if my wargaming group would give it a try besides for the novelty of being star wars.

It would work on me. I've always rejected SWL because it's galactic civil war.



I don't know that I've ever met someone who actively disliked the Galactic Civil War era of Star Wars.

Were the prequels your introduction to the franchise?

   
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 Norchack wrote:
pm713 wrote:
cerealkiller195 wrote:
have to admit t hat t he new core (clone wars) will at the very least make me buy the core to paint up. I think it would be a good way to get a few of my board game friends into wargaming. Not sure if my wargaming group would give it a try besides for the novelty of being star wars.

It would work on me. I've always rejected SWL because it's galactic civil war.



I don't know that I've ever met someone who actively disliked the Galactic Civil War era of Star Wars.

Were the prequels your introduction to the franchise?



He said that's why he rejected SWLegion; not SW as a whole. There's a tendency to view the game as something of a Napoleonic battlefield system that doesn't mesh with their idea of the Rebellion.
   
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Happily, they're still supporting the GCW - more Rogue One coolness...


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 Norchack wrote:
pm713 wrote:
cerealkiller195 wrote:
have to admit t hat t he new core (clone wars) will at the very least make me buy the core to paint up. I think it would be a good way to get a few of my board game friends into wargaming. Not sure if my wargaming group would give it a try besides for the novelty of being star wars.

It would work on me. I've always rejected SWL because it's galactic civil war.



I don't know that I've ever met someone who actively disliked the Galactic Civil War era of Star Wars.

Were the prequels your introduction to the franchise?


I enjoy the Galactic Civil War, but not as a setting for a tabletop wargame.

Legion's smaller scale compared to modern 40k does lend itself well to 'scrappy Rebels launch a lightning strike on a lightly defended Imperial position', so in that respect I do disagree with people who say it doesn't work as a setting. With that being said, it's not really for me. I like the larger scale of the Clone Wars in scope, even if the actual tabletop matches end up smaller. It's also a lot easier to imagine Obi-Wan and Grievous having a smack around than it is Luke suddenly meeting Vader in a field and having a fight we never heard about.

I am a prequel baby however and I much prefer the aesthetics of the Clones to the Empire.

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Right, the Clone Wars leaves a lot more room for the kind of match ups a game like this requires. Han Solo doesn't fight against the Emperor and his guards, or comes close to it in any way, but Obi-Wan could meet up with basically any enemy general during the course of the war. The only real constraint is that Anakin and Grievous don't meet until Revenge of the Sith, at the end of the war.

I think maybe the GCW would do better if it had more generic named characters (or new ones, like Imperial Assault had). It doesn't stretch credibility for guy you've never heard of to face the Emperor and his guards quite the same way. The West End Games miniature game had you creating your own characters, and while you could meet named characters, you generally didn't have battles with all of them at the same time.

But I've decided that Legion is less about Star Wars narratives and is more like Mario Kart, where you have Link throwing bananas at a Splatoon inkling in Donkey Kong country. Or Smash Bros. It isn't about narratives. It's just about having fun. So the idea that you can have match ups where Luke teams up with Jyn Erso to battle a droid army led by Count Dooku... well, watch out for the blue shell...

As far as I'm concerned, Legion and X-Wing are the only Star Wars products currently being produced that actually remotely feels like Star Wars anymore.
   
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I do wish that Rebels and Imperials had been designed a little more asymmetric, with Rebel armies consisting of fewer Core units and more Commander/Operative options. It's not a huge deal, but the 3 Core requirement in list building feels like a mistake overall.
   
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I was gonna pick this up, but clones in Board Game Plastic kinda killed it for me.
Gonna wait for HIPS

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 Norchack wrote:
pm713 wrote:
cerealkiller195 wrote:
have to admit t hat t he new core (clone wars) will at the very least make me buy the core to paint up. I think it would be a good way to get a few of my board game friends into wargaming. Not sure if my wargaming group would give it a try besides for the novelty of being star wars.

It would work on me. I've always rejected SWL because it's galactic civil war.



I don't know that I've ever met someone who actively disliked the Galactic Civil War era of Star Wars.

Were the prequels your introduction to the franchise?


They were but they're still mainly bad. I don't dislike the Galactic Civil War I just don't like the aesthetic of the rebels enough to play a wargame around their infantry whereas with Clone Wars I love both Clones and Droids.

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Are there many canon tanks in Star Wars currently - other than the Droid stuff? Its unfortunate that the Imperial tank is just a heavily armoured transport vehicle. Not that there's any issues in having it. Rather, it'd just be a bit weird for the Empire to rolling out a transporter as an assault vehicle, as opposed to convoy operations.

Something like the MBT-8 Harrier or TX-130 Saber would seem more appropriate. They have to work with the canon of course, but calling that the Empire's tank is mincing terms a bit. There's real world tanks which have been converted to serve more of a duel role, but that thing's whole design puts it as a transporter first (otherwise have a variant which covers up the cargo bay, or turns it into a troop carrier. ...Though then it'd be a Heavy IFV - which again, there's real world heavy IFV with beefy weapons load outs).

 
   
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Not really, unfortunately. Most vehicles tend to be speeders or walkers, and if it’s a tank it’s probably too big for this game or it’s a walker tank anyways.

Just guessing we’re probably gonna get a Wookiee vehicle/bug, a new AT-RT, the AAT, the STAAP, the smaller droid spider walker (3 legs with cannon coming out of face), and maybe the persuader class droid tank if we’re lucky. Can’t imagine we’ll get the hail fire droid or any clone verhicles much bigger than those. Next step up is the turbo tank and whatever the AT variant with the 3 legs are, if memory serves me.
   
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Not sure if there's a photo embargo on stuff from Adepticon, but I've not seen anyone post pics of the display cabinet models yet. I have a bunch, but wanted to see if posting them is ok first.

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Photo Embargoes are a thing for people who aren't professional journalists?

 
   
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Regarding lack of vehicles, the Rogue One TX-225 was built around the real world Alvis Stormer of which there are several variants. This one just happens to the transporter variant. No reason you can't have the same in the SW universe - at least, that's what I'll be doing with this model...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvis_Stormer

   
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Its a pity there's no 1/48th scale Alvis Stormers to tear the back from. If I was willing to fork out the money for the Legion model I couldn't see using it in its original guise apart from in scenarios. Which is to say the way to go with Star Wars may well be converting plastic kits - and just saying their fictional vehicles in the Star Wars universe (I've been considering starting a rag tag Rebel or Mercenary force myself - without using any of the stock models of course).

The description behind it on their store page makes it seem like they're trying to take a random vehicle from the films and cram it into another role for the sake of having a "tank" (or heaven forbid a "Heavy Assault Tank"). Its like sticking a 30mm turret on a MT-LBM and saying there's no difference between that and a T-72. "Heavy Cargo Transporter" would been more appropriate.



Edit: And damn, there's this month's project. Turning a spare Greyhound armoured car kit into a light hover tank for Star Wars: Legion.

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 -iPaint- wrote:
Not sure if there's a photo embargo on stuff from Adepticon, but I've not seen anyone post pics of the display cabinet models yet. I have a bunch, but wanted to see if posting them is ok first.

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Don't think so, post away!
   
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New Imperial stuff to match the Tauntauns and Hoth troopers (images link to the full articles):



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Been waiting and hoping for a dewback for awhile what an impressive model, can't wait to get a few. Keep up the good work.
   
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