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Really a big fan of M&P pistols...I'd trade my Glocks straight up any day of the week for their equivalent M&Ps. My only grips is that they don't make a Compact sized pistol the size of a G19.
Didn't realize it was a different person, lol. Sorry, too much on the brain today.
Anyway...
The M&P 45c is a compact the size of a G19, for anyone interested.
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You guys are yakking about your plastic and I'm just over here with my CZ-75, Jericho, 1911 and wheel guns going "And? I can shoot you OR beat you to death"
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Alex C wrote: I know the 9c isn't, but you said there wasn't an M&P about the size of a G19 and I wasn't sure if you were familiar with the 45c.
Not sure why they're different, but I'm glad. The 45c is the best polymer striker pistol I've ever fired.
because the "c" in M&Pc means "concealable." Thats what it meant for. A G19 is a full sized pistol.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Alex C wrote: I know the 9c isn't, but you said there wasn't an M&P about the size of a G19 and I wasn't sure if you were familiar with the 45c.
Not sure why they're different, but I'm glad. The 45c is the best polymer striker pistol I've ever fired.
because the "c" in M&Pc means "concealable." Thats what it meant for. A G19 is a full sized pistol.
So why does the Smith & Wesson website refer to it as "compact" multiple times (product info, spec sheets and manuals), rather than "concealable"?
Also, I've never seen the G19 referred to as full-sized. It is considered compact (as per their website and print materials), as opposed to the full-sized G17 and sub-compact G26.
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Sorry, I meant compact - its for concealment. a G19 has a 5in height. Thats not a concealment pistol. Thats a full size pistol. They may say its compact but they can stick that up der yumpas. Even my old .45 1911 ultra carry had a shorter grip.
The M&Pc fits with the compact category. generally heights are between 4 - 4.5in. At 4.3in its actually shorter than the Shield. Both it and the Walther PPS are in this height category. man me likey some Walter PPS.
G26 isn't a subcompact. an LCP now THATS a subcompact I'd put the G26 the same as an M&Pc and the XDm version. Maybe an Ruger SR9c as well.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
easysauce wrote: yeah... Id take the sig over a glock any day of the week.
Love me some polymers, but glocks always feel like this to me
I have nothing against Glocks. Glock fanbois are a different story.
My preference of M&P vs. Glock:
*Stainless barrel and parts.
*Made in USA.
thats it. Nearly everything else is modifiable for either of them. If I had to carry it as a duty piece without modification at the same price point I'd get an XDM.
I felt the same way until I shot it. Glocks are Fhuggleee. But their triggers are sweet. They are the Buttaface of the gun world.
lol... the looks I could forgive on glocks, but not the grip, and certainly not the double action first pull trigger!
Glocks are striker fired just like your M&P so every pull is exactly the same.
It's the same crappy snap-tasic trigger pull evvvvvery time. You can make a Glock trigger really good, but it takes some work.
not quite, while it is true that both are striker fired,
pulling the triger on the glock will both pull back, and release the striker, making it technically DA(though there is much internetz arguing over this)
but what is not argued about is that this results in a harder, longer first pull with a "break" that generally jumps right out at you.
I hate it, some love it, as you say its pretty much its only safety.
there is a safety on my M&P, and it generally isnt used.
i find a good holster that covers the trigger completely is better/faster, but this is for competition shooting, not EDC for me
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Frazzled wrote: Sorry, I meant compact - its for concealment.
a G19 has a 5in height. Thats not a concealment pistol. Thats a full size pistol. They may say its compact but they can stick that up der yumpas.
Even my old .45 1911 ultra carry had a shorter grip.
The M&Pc fits with the compact category. generally heights are between 4 - 4.5in. At 4.3in its actually shorter than the Shield. Both it and the Walther PPS are in this height category. man me likey some Walter PPS.
G26 isn't a subcompact. an LCP now THATS a subcompact I'd put the G26 the same as an M&Pc and the XDm version. Maybe an Ruger SR9c as well.
The G19 is classified by Glock as a compact. The only functional difference between the two, besides the 45c not being a brick and the caliber, is that the glock is a tenth of an inch taller in heighth and two tenths shorter in length.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: You guys are yakking about your plastic and I'm just over here with my CZ-75, Jericho, 1911 and wheel guns going "And? I can shoot you OR beat you to death"
dont worry, I always keep a pearl handled 1911 close in case easysauce needs to pistol whip a mofo
KalashnikovMarine wrote: You guys are yakking about your plastic and I'm just over here with my CZ-75, Jericho, 1911 and wheel guns going "And? I can shoot you OR beat you to death"
Bah, for a cudgel/firearm, I use my Ruger "Old" Vaquero 45 Colt stainless steel revolver - 3lbs of dead weight justice
Alex C wrote: I got a Webley Mk. VI for pistol whipping.
Or pistol stabbing if I had the bayonet...
lol... worst purchase I ever made for a pistol was the pistol bayonet....
During bayonet drills, one of the black beret instructors (pre 2001) asked us how to clear a bayonet. Someone blurted out "shoot him off" to which our instructor said in no uncertain terms, "if you have a bullet left in a rifle that you are using to thrust a bayonet, you have a serious case of retardation". Of course, some colorful expletives were used too - but you get the idea.
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Alex C wrote: I got a Webley Mk. VI for pistol whipping.
Or pistol stabbing if I had the bayonet...
Webley, the British answer to "can you hollow out a brick of iron and make it shoot?"
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I have a Yugo M-70 NPAP, HK-45, Ruger Security Six, Springfield M1A Scout and a Mosin Nagant 1890/30. Love em all, though the later 3 don't get as much love as they should.
Used to have a Mossberg 500, CAR-15 and RIA M-1911A1 but sold all of them. Liked them all, but needed money so I sold the Shotgun and CAR-15, and sold the M-1911 cause I stopped trusting it and myself with it after a discharge.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also had a Browning Hi-Power that got sold when I needed money. Really miss that.
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Alex C wrote: I know the 9c isn't, but you said there wasn't an M&P about the size of a G19 and I wasn't sure if you were familiar with the 45c.
Not sure why they're different, but I'm glad. The 45c is the best polymer striker pistol I've ever fired.
I said that there wasn't an M&P in 9mm the size of a G19.
Today I scored a Streamlight M3 at a pawn shop for $30. That's not nearly as good a deal as the Surefire X300 I found at a pawn shop for $30, which I'm fairly certain was just missing a 0 on the price tag lol. Anyway this will do duty on my briefcase gun mostly to soak recoil, but to provide light if need be.
It came with a stupid paddle holster. Why the hell would anyone carry a weapon light on a paddle holster? Excuse me sir, give me a moment to put my weapon light on my pistol so I can see you before I shoot you. Dildos, I say.
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21st Century Bayonet Charges
In the last ten years, British troops have resorted to the bayonet to break impasses in combat both in Iraq and Afghanistan. In May, 2004, a detachment from the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders surprised a force of 100 insurgents near Al Amara, Iraq with a bayonet charge. British casualties were light, but nearly 28 guerrillas were killed. And as recently as October of 2011, a British Army lance corporal named Sean Jones led a squad of soldiers from the Prince of Wales Royal Regiment in a bayonet charge against Taliban fighters in Helmand Province, Afghanistan. After being ambushed and pinned down by militants, the 25-year-old ordered his squad to advance into a hail of machine gun fire. “We had to react quickly,” Jones remarked. “I shouted ‘follow me’ and we went for it.” He was awarded the Military Cross for his actions. Even in an age of GPS-guided bombs, unmanned drone and network-centric warfare, 300-year-old technology — like the simple bayonet — can still carry the day.
feeder wrote: Frazz's mind is like a wiener dog in a rabbit warren. Dark, twisting tunnels, and full of the certainty that just around the next bend will be the quarry he seeks.
Alex C wrote: I got a Webley Mk. VI for pistol whipping.
Or pistol stabbing if I had the bayonet...
lol... worst purchase I ever made for a pistol was the pistol bayonet....
Clearly, you should have gotten the pistol chainsaw attachment instead, lol.
But if one were consider it technically, the problem is that pistols are for carry and concealment and a bayonet would just get in the way. The other issue is, I don't want to necessarily have to draw my pistol every time I want to cut open a bag of Skittles.
Alex C wrote: I got a Webley Mk. VI for pistol whipping.
Or pistol stabbing if I had the bayonet...
lol... worst purchase I ever made for a pistol was the pistol bayonet....
Clearly, you should have gotten the pistol chainsaw attachment instead, lol.
But if one were consider it technically, the problem is that pistols are for carry and concealment and a bayonet would just get in the way. The other issue is, I don't want to necessarily have to draw my pistol every time I want to cut open a bag of Skittles.
why are you cutting open your tactical skittles?
real men just yell at the package till it opens itself.
RE bayonets above being usefull: yup sometimes they work really great, esp in the example where the bristish are charging poorly trained and conditioned enemies who are terrified by that kind of thing. I have read that article before, really good example of bayonets being used at their best.
The times bayonets work well, man they work well!
But that is the vast minority, far more lives/battles have been lost by the mode of thinking that "the rifle is just there to hold the bayonet" as opposed to the "bayonets are useless" adherents. Lots of examples, ESP in the civil war where less then 1% of the casualties are bayonets.
most of the time, they are useless, and/or a knife (or even the unmounted bayonet) is more useful.
still means, for those off chances when you need em, you should have em.
They wanted you to be able to use the sights while hip firing...
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