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'What does the future hold for the Guard?'

I don't know, but I look on this website every day in hopes of the 8th edition announcement, so that they can finally be at least somewhat competitive again.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

As to the Death Korps, I do not want to sound like a downer, but it would not surprise me if they where permanently being discontinued. Sold out, Not Available and no indication that they will ever be redone. Yeah, the prospect is not looking good.

When do you ever do anything beyond "sound like a downer"?

Well, given the gak state of the Guard and that FW seem to be discontinuing the only decent Guard figures out there (either that or a millionaire has decided to play IG) there is little to be up about.

Or one of their most popular lines is getting a refresher on the molds...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

As to the Death Korps, I do not want to sound like a downer, but it would not surprise me if they where permanently being discontinued. Sold out, Not Available and no indication that they will ever be redone. Yeah, the prospect is not looking good.

When do you ever do anything beyond "sound like a downer"?

Well, given the gak state of the Guard and that FW seem to be discontinuing the only decent Guard figures out there (either that or a millionaire has decided to play IG) there is little to be up about.

Or one of their most popular lines is getting a refresher on the molds...

I have been playing 40K for too long to have that much faith or hope.

Grenadiers are temporarily out of stock, whilst a few other units are no longer available. Do they usually slap the latter on for mold repairs? The Thunderhawk is pretty much getting a 2.0 version so I doubt it's quite the same thing.

A few Renegades & Heretics as well as Solar Auxilia kits have also gone poof also.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Grenadiers are temporarily out of stock, whilst a few other units are no longer available. Do they usually slap the latter on for mold repairs? The Thunderhawk is pretty much getting a 2.0 version so I doubt it's quite the same thing.

They sometimes slap "No Longer Available" for mold repairs yes.

It also happens when they plan on repackaging things, as the previous item entry will be removed.

A few Renegades & Heretics as well as Solar Auxilia kits have also gone poof also.

Like what?

For Solar Auxilia, I see the Lasrifle Section and Solar Auxilia Basilisk/Medusa are "No Longer Available"...for Renegades & Heretics, I couldn't see any listed.

All I can say is thank god the DKoK stuff is pretty well covered by the recasters. I'm against buying recasts of in-production stuff as much as anyone, but if GW is going to discontinue kits I need for my army to make room for more space marines...

Dakka Dakka, of course, in no way condones such activities - at all.

 Alpharius wrote:
Dakka Dakka, of course, in no way condones such activities - at all.

Thanks for the official cover Alph

 Alpharius wrote:
Dakka Dakka, of course, in no way condones such activities - at all.

Indeed. However, we can't deny that the appeal is likely to rise as lines such as these are discontinued, and no alternatives are offered to customers.

GW cuts its own throat, with a knife it mad itself.
How delightfully ironic

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Dakka Dakka, of course, in no way condones such activities - at all.

Indeed. However, we can't deny that the appeal is likely to rise as lines such as these are discontinued, and no alternatives are offered to customers.

One of two variants of DKoK infantry squads goes out of stock and it's the end of the world, despite these models having been available for how long now?

Same with Elysians.

Right now, it's not "the whole range" being gone. It's bits and pieces--oh, and the "Death Korps of Krieg Infantry Platoon" was one of the bundles that FW was selling. They would do the bundles, then eventually remove/replace them with new ones.

 master of ordinance wrote:
GW cuts its own throat, with a knife it mad itself.
How delightfully ironic

That's a little dramatic. Even if the entire Guard range was thrown out the window (which it won't be) it'd hardly spell the end for GW.

Good thing I play Cadians

I'm on page 4 reading right now. If it hasn't been brought up yet.

Lost and the Damned formation from Chaos get to come back after being wiped out. Maybe something like that for all non command squads in a Platoon troop choice, on a 5+ roll. That way wee can keep bodies on the table and not lug around to many quardsmen.

 Kanluwen wrote:
One of two variants of DKoK infantry squads goes out of stock and it's the end of the world, despite these models having been available for how long now?

Same with Elysians.

Considering that without them a DKoK army could look rather monopose, I'd say it's quite important for anyone who collects them or is looking to collect them.

It doesn't bother me personally though. FW Guard regiments have always been way beyond what I can afford, even now on a salary that's pretty decent for my age.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
One of two variants of DKoK infantry squads goes out of stock and it's the end of the world, despite these models having been available for how long now?

Same with Elysians.

Considering that without them a DKoK army could look rather monopose, I'd say it's quite important for anyone who collects them or is looking to collect them.

The argument that you need a "Running" and "Advancing" squad to both exist is kind of ridiculous. It's like there being a kit for Assault Squads with Jump Packs or without Jump Packs.

Guardsmen are Guardsmen.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The argument that you need a "Running" and "Advancing" squad to both exist is kind of ridiculous. It's like there being a kit for Assault Squads with Jump Packs or without Jump Packs.

Guardsmen are Guardsmen.

All I'd say is if I was paying £43 a squad of miniatures that I'd probably need quite a few of, I'd want options.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The argument that you need a "Running" and "Advancing" squad to both exist is kind of ridiculous. It's like there being a kit for Assault Squads with Jump Packs or without Jump Packs.

Guardsmen are Guardsmen.

Fine, let's apply that reasoning to space marines. No more variant armor styles/shoulder pads/etc. You get one power armor + bolter kit, one jump pack + pistol/sword kit, one terminator armor kit, etc. Everything else is gone and never coming back. And I'm sure nobody would be unhappy that they just lost a huge amount of customization potential, everything is still WYSIWYG and posing options don't matter, right?

 Peregrine wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The argument that you need a "Running" and "Advancing" squad to both exist is kind of ridiculous. It's like there being a kit for Assault Squads with Jump Packs or without Jump Packs.

Guardsmen are Guardsmen.

Fine, let's apply that reasoning to space marines. No more variant armor styles/shoulder pads/etc. You get one power armor + bolter kit, one jump pack + pistol/sword kit, one terminator armor kit, etc. Everything else is gone and never coming back. And I'm sure nobody would be unhappy that they just lost a huge amount of customization potential, everything is still WYSIWYG and posing options don't matter, right?

What posing options are different between the two squads?

It looks like it's a difference of just two models in the squads; with Firing Squad having a kneeling set of legs and Advancing Squad with a set of running legs.

I mean, if you're going to sit here and complain about Marine bloat then try to defend two different squads existing when a cursory glance makes it appear that there's just a set of two different legs between the sets--you're being a pretty big hypocrite.

 Kanluwen wrote:
What posing options are different between the two squads?

Uh, all of them? The body poses are different (running instead of standing/kneeling to shoot), and the arms are different (guns held low on the move/throwing a grenade/lunging with a bayonet instead of shouldered to fire). There might be a common part or two in there somewhere, but they're clearly different kits if you pay attention.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
What posing options are different between the two squads?

Uh, all of them? The body poses are different (running instead of standing/kneeling to shoot), and the arms are different (guns held low on the move/throwing a grenade/lunging with a bayonet instead of shouldered to fire). There might be a common part or two in there somewhere, but they're clearly different kits if you pay attention.

The body poses are the same in several places. Notably the special weapons guys.

There's repeats of the "Running" legs in the Advancing set and different arms.

So, again, what necessitates there being two sets when you could just have the arms and running legs all in one set?


Because as it stands right now--it's just speculation that these are permanently gone.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
What posing options are different between the two squads?

Uh, all of them? The body poses are different (running instead of standing/kneeling to shoot), and the arms are different (guns held low on the move/throwing a grenade/lunging with a bayonet instead of shouldered to fire). There might be a common part or two in there somewhere, but they're clearly different kits if you pay attention.

The body poses are the same in several places. Notably the special weapons guys.

There's repeats of the "Running" legs in the Advancing set and different arms.

So, again, what necessitates there being two sets when you could just have the arms and running legs all in one set?


Because as it stands right now--it's just speculation that these are permanently gone.

Put it another way:
every Marine figure is built to be kind of ambling, or leaning slightly.
Thats what Guard figures are like.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
What posing options are different between the two squads?

Uh, all of them? The body poses are different (running instead of standing/kneeling to shoot), and the arms are different (guns held low on the move/throwing a grenade/lunging with a bayonet instead of shouldered to fire). There might be a common part or two in there somewhere, but they're clearly different kits if you pay attention.

The body poses are the same in several places. Notably the special weapons guys.

There's repeats of the "Running" legs in the Advancing set and different arms.

So, again, what necessitates there being two sets when you could just have the arms and running legs all in one set?


Because as it stands right now--it's just speculation that these are permanently gone.

Put it another way:
every Marine figure is built to be kind of ambling, or leaning slightly.
Thats what Guard figures are like.

Nobody is talking about "Guard figures". This line of discussion is about two specific kits; the Death Korps Advancing and Firing kits.

Yeah. Who needs Variation?

Go back to Monopose RT era please!

 Kanluwen wrote:
So, again, what necessitates there being two sets when you could just have the arms and running legs all in one set?

Nothing, if you're willing to have a kit with more than ten bodies and 20 different arms, with a price increase to match. There's very little benefit from combining the two kits.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Dakka Dakka, of course, in no way condones such activities - at all.

Indeed. However, we can't deny that the appeal is likely to rise as lines such as these are discontinued, and no alternatives are offered to customers.

One of two variants of DKoK infantry squads goes out of stock and it's the end of the world, despite these models having been available for how long now?

There's also 3 variants of heavy weapon teams out of stock and you may not remember but there were originally THREE variants of DKOK infantry squads.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
The body poses are the same in several places. Notably the special weapons guys.

There's repeats of the "Running" legs in the Advancing set and different arms.

So, again, what necessitates there being two sets when you could just have the arms and running legs all in one set?


Because as it stands right now--it's just speculation that these are permanently gone.

Unless I'm mistaken, the "Firing" squad is 10 unique poses.

I think the "Advancing" squad might have a couple of duplicate bodies, I'm not actually sure. But either way, the DKOK aren't like the plastic Cadians, they are basically monopose, arms aren't interchangeable and if you try and pose them differently you'll end up with ill fitting parts and huge gaps.

So yeah, having variety is important. Especially since these are FW products sold at a higher price.

 Galas wrote:
Yeah. Who needs Variation?

Go back to Monopose RT era please!

If you include 2nd Edition, some of us wit metal armies never left it.

IMO, The OOP metal ranges are still superior to the options available today. If I were to ever build another guard army, the only advantage plastic has is price. And weight. None of the resin stuff from GW really looks that good in person. And it looks ridiculous next to the plastic guardsmen. Not to mention the fragile barrels breaking off the DKoK models I bought. Waste of money.

I haven't had a barrel break off my DKOK yet, though I'm pretty careful with my models (I'm one of those people who despises it when other people touch my models ).

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I haven't had a barrel break off my DKOK yet, though I'm pretty careful with my models (I'm one of those people who despises it when other people touch my models ).

Yeah, I don't get the durability complaint either. The models are beautiful, in part because of things like having true-scale gun barrels and similar fine details. But the very few broken models I've suffered have been entirely the result of my own careless handling. I'd much rather have models that look nice but require a little care than models that trade looks for the ability to be carelessly thrown into a heap without breaking anything.