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I think that durability for mainline products is a huge concern. For some people, they are careful enough, but I'm not one of them, so I prefer models with some more durability.

that's one of the hidden realities of FW though: they are fine scale models that can be used for gaming, as compared to Citadel miniatures, which are gaming pieces that look really cool.

But that's one reason it's nice to have some options.

OTOH, 3E Dark Eldar? Not so durable...

 Polonius wrote:
I think that durability for mainline products is a huge concern. For some people, they are careful enough, but I'm not one of them, so I prefer models with some more durability.

that's one of the hidden realities of FW though: they are fine scale models that can be used for gaming, as compared to Citadel miniatures, which are gaming pieces that look really cool.

But that's one reason it's nice to have some options.

Maybe recently but don't you remember pretty much every pewter mutli piece model falling apart at a stiff breeze? Abaddon, Zoanthropes, and Greater Daemons come to mind.

 Ignatius wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
I think that durability for mainline products is a huge concern. For some people, they are careful enough, but I'm not one of them, so I prefer models with some more durability.

that's one of the hidden realities of FW though: they are fine scale models that can be used for gaming, as compared to Citadel miniatures, which are gaming pieces that look really cool.

But that's one reason it's nice to have some options.

Maybe recently but don't you remember pretty much every pewter mutli piece model falling apart at a stiff breeze? Abaddon, Zoanthropes, and Greater Daemons come to mind.

True, but that's because they were difficult to assemble, not inherently fragile. I've glued plenty of metal models back together, in the middle of games, and they were fine. Once you learned about pinning and two part epoxy, things got better as well.

For human sized models, metal is hella tough.

Pinning has solved so many of my issues, in all honesty I do not know why I didnt bother sooner.
For one thing my IG vehicles radio aerials actually last transportation.

For me, it's that basically ALL of my old pinning is CA, not 2-part epoxy.

So I called up FW today. DKOK Grenadiers are coming back, but not soon as they need some reworking. The DKOK advancing squad is coming back, they're in production now and will now be boxed rather than bagged.

The Platoon is of course waiting for sufficient advancing squads before it can be sold again.

So no discontinuation!

 Naix wrote:
So I called up FW today. DKOK Grenadiers are coming back, but not soon as they need some reworking. The DKOK advancing squad is coming back, they're in production now and will now be boxed rather than bagged.

*sigh of relief*

I admit, it was a bit hasty to assume the worst so quickly, but it's never a good feeling to see stuff go out of stock considering how many FW kits have gone OOP since 30k took over.

 Ignatius wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
I think that durability for mainline products is a huge concern. For some people, they are careful enough, but I'm not one of them, so I prefer models with some more durability.

that's one of the hidden realities of FW though: they are fine scale models that can be used for gaming, as compared to Citadel miniatures, which are gaming pieces that look really cool.

But that's one reason it's nice to have some options.

Maybe recently but don't you remember pretty much every pewter mutli piece model falling apart at a stiff breeze? Abaddon, Zoanthropes, and Greater Daemons come to mind.

I haven't had a metal Zoanthrope fall apart yet, but luckily I had the foresight to drill a nice 1mm diameter ~ 5mm deep hole and insert a big ol' pin in it then use epoxy adhesive rather than superglue.

The damned things do like to fall over though due to being so top heavy.

 Naix wrote:
So I called up FW today. DKOK Grenadiers are coming back, but not soon as they need some reworking. The DKOK advancing squad is coming back, they're in production now and will now be boxed rather than bagged.

The Platoon is of course waiting for sufficient advancing squads before it can be sold again.

So no discontinuation!

Any word on the similar Elysian kits? I would presume the same.

I received a response from Forgeworld today. Although I do not know if I am permitted to disclose its contents as it states:

"Information in this email and any attachment is confidential, and solely for the intended recipient(s), and may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it has been sent."

Commissar Benny wrote:
I received a response from Forgeworld today. Although I do not know if I am permitted to disclose its contents as it states:

"Information in this email and any attachment is confidential, and solely for the intended recipient(s), and may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it has been sent."

pfffft. Unless you signed some agreement prior to receiving the e-mail, it means nothing.

Otherwise, by reading this statement, you owe me $1 million, to be delivered by tomorrow noon.

Post away!

Lke always never good, fluff and model wise it seems.

 Stormonu wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:
I received a response from Forgeworld today. Although I do not know if I am permitted to disclose its contents as it states:

"Information in this email and any attachment is confidential, and solely for the intended recipient(s), and may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it has been sent."

pfffft. Unless you signed some agreement prior to receiving the e-mail, it means nothing.

Otherwise, by reading this statement, you owe me $1 million, to be delivered by tomorrow noon.

Post away!

Alright well, I'll outline what was discussed but I'm not going to submit a screenshot or link said email. If you guys think I am lying, that is for you to decide.

* Forgeworld will pursue what is needs to for its survival & growth. 30k is very popular, as such we will continue to see more in this direction.

* While I cannot confirm or deny what Naix spoke with FW about over the phone, unless a new imperial armour campaign book is released we will not see new DKoK releases.

* FW does plan to continue to release models for the 40k range.

* Many kits planned to be discontinued due to low sales, broken moulds, broken masters, product deterioration & relevance.

* Probability of new AM kits is highly unlikely with no current plans at the moment.

Despite being sad about many of the details above, I was very impressed with the email I received. It was very sincere, honest & personal. Most companies just send out automated responses or say nonsense like "we cannot disclose said details at this time." etc etc

So the good news is, if what Naix said is true then many of the kits listed "no longer available" may come back. However, many kits are scheduled to be discontinued supposedly so if you have been waiting to buy a certain something it may be in your best interest to make that happen.

Commissar Benny wrote:
* While I cannot confirm or deny what Naix spoke with FW about over the phone, unless a new imperial armour campaign book is released we will not see new DKoK releases.

But new DKoK releases were never mentioned. I don't think any of us expect to see anything new for DKoK, the only hope (which seems to be confirmed) is that the existing models that have gone out of stock will return. Any "new" kits being discussed are of the form "re-box this existing kit" or "repair the molds so they can be sold again" rather than any genuine new models.

 Peregrine wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:
* While I cannot confirm or deny what Naix spoke with FW about over the phone, unless a new imperial armour campaign book is released we will not see new DKoK releases.

But new DKoK releases were never mentioned. I don't think any of us expect to see anything new for DKoK, the only hope (which seems to be confirmed) is that the existing models that have gone out of stock will return. Any "new" kits being discussed are of the form "re-box this existing kit" or "repair the molds so they can be sold again" rather than any genuine new models.

Yeah unfortunately I cannot confirm one way or another. The email was not specific enough regarding the fate of "No longer available" models. I know you collect DKoK & have high interest in this subject so I'm not trying to give you the run around. I'd say lets defer to what Naix was told over the phone. If they told him they were returning why wouldn't they? We should also keep in mind what was gleaned at in my email however. While it doesn't specifically tell us what is going on with Elysian/DKoK it gives us a bigger picture of what is going on behind the scenes. We know that the likelihood of new AM kits is very low, & that there are no current plans to add anymore. Would they get rid of their only AM infantry models?

I also emailed them and received a response. I doubt there's an NDA or that it's im any way secret as they are openly telling us this.

If there is any doubt about the DKOK (I only asked about them and of course there won't be new models) here is the response from them:

"Both the grenadiers and advancing squad (which is included in the platoon) are currently in for repairs. We do not currently have a due date for when these will return although we are hoping to bring them back as soon as we can."

Over the phone the man mentioned they had an X amount of advancing squads done and ready in the near future for sale. (A significant amount)

Commissar Benny wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:
* While I cannot confirm or deny what Naix spoke with FW about over the phone, unless a new imperial armour campaign book is released we will not see new DKoK releases.

But new DKoK releases were never mentioned. I don't think any of us expect to see anything new for DKoK, the only hope (which seems to be confirmed) is that the existing models that have gone out of stock will return. Any "new" kits being discussed are of the form "re-box this existing kit" or "repair the molds so they can be sold again" rather than any genuine new models.

Yeah unfortunately I cannot confirm one way or another. The email was not specific enough regarding the fate of "No longer available" models. I know you collect DKoK & have high interest in this subject so I'm not trying to give you the run around. I'd say lets defer to what Naix was told over the phone. If they told him they were returning why wouldn't they? We should also keep in mind what was gleaned at in my email however. While it doesn't specifically tell us what is going on with Elysian/DKoK it gives us a bigger picture of what is going on behind the scenes. We know that the likelihood of new AM kits is very low, & that there are no current plans to add anymore. Would they get rid of their only AM infantry models?

They aren't going to tell you over an email anything about upcoming releases beyond what they release through official channels (their website, warhammer community, conventions, etc).

It was never a question what new was coming, it was just whether the existing stuff that had gone out of stock was coming back, FW have traditionally been quite forthright with information regarding existing kits.

I can only gather from your email response that perhaps you asked overly vague questions so got overly vague answers.

Anything regarding future releases, well, they shouldn't and wouldn't tell you that sort of stuff over an email, if they did the person sending the email will probably lose their job over it.

For all those who were interested in the rules for GRIMMDARK:
I changed the name to FRONTIER: Future Wars.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/723803.page

Thinking at this point they should really push IG as the third party wonderland. At least I'd have more variety. It works for things like Bolt Action. I don't know what I'm really saying right now so I guess.... pass.

Good to hear the DKOK isn't OOP

CplPunishment wrote:
Good to hear the DKOK isn't OOP

Yet