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 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
Except all of those industries (with the probable exception of F1) will be ruined by leaving the EU. Car manufacturers are already making plans to leave. The whole car industry is based on a very slick just in time supply chain. Crashing out of the EU will wreck this. Manufacturing is going to be hit very hard and very fast by Brexit. Even in the best scenario companies will leave the UK and factories will close before we can make any trade deals.

That’s why I say go EFTA. Avoids that crash.

I just had a thought. In EFTA we assume control of our own customs policy. We could approach those countries who have tariffs on our products and see if we could get them lowers or removed. Suddenly we’re basically an eu state who’s more open to outside business. Companies across the EU or abroad might move here to get the best of both worlds.

*BE* the haven for the EU companies. Make it so that ya'll are the Cayman Island of the EU and ya'll would rake in the business.

Things like that... contrast yourselves from the larger market to maximize your share. You do have opportunities to do some of these things.

 whembly wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
Except all of those industries (with the probable exception of F1) will be ruined by leaving the EU. Car manufacturers are already making plans to leave. The whole car industry is based on a very slick just in time supply chain. Crashing out of the EU will wreck this. Manufacturing is going to be hit very hard and very fast by Brexit. Even in the best scenario companies will leave the UK and factories will close before we can make any trade deals.

That’s why I say go EFTA. Avoids that crash.

I just had a thought. In EFTA we assume control of our own customs policy. We could approach those countries who have tariffs on our products and see if we could get them lowers or removed. Suddenly we’re basically an eu state who’s more open to outside business. Companies across the EU or abroad might move here to get the best of both worlds.

*BE* the haven for the EU companies. Make it so that ya'll are the Cayman Island of the EU and ya'll would rake in the business.

Things like that... contrast yourselves from the larger market to maximize your share. You do have opportunities to do some of these things.

There's a reason why all deregulated tax havens (or stopping just short of it) are tiny countries with a corresponding population.

What works for a population of 60K people doesn't really make ends meet for 60 million.

jouso wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
Except all of those industries (with the probable exception of F1) will be ruined by leaving the EU. Car manufacturers are already making plans to leave. The whole car industry is based on a very slick just in time supply chain. Crashing out of the EU will wreck this. Manufacturing is going to be hit very hard and very fast by Brexit. Even in the best scenario companies will leave the UK and factories will close before we can make any trade deals.

That’s why I say go EFTA. Avoids that crash.

I just had a thought. In EFTA we assume control of our own customs policy. We could approach those countries who have tariffs on our products and see if we could get them lowers or removed. Suddenly we’re basically an eu state who’s more open to outside business. Companies across the EU or abroad might move here to get the best of both worlds.

*BE* the haven for the EU companies. Make it so that ya'll are the Cayman Island of the EU and ya'll would rake in the business.

Things like that... contrast yourselves from the larger market to maximize your share. You do have opportunities to do some of these things.

There's a reason why all deregulated tax havens (or stopping just short of it) are tiny countries with a corresponding population.

What works for a population of 60K people doesn't really make ends meet for 60 million.

Doesn't Ireland have some special tax law goodies that's different than the rest of the EU? Granted they're a country of ~5 million compared to Uk 60 million... but, my point was that ya'll have opportunity to be different (however slightly) that may entice other EU business to operate there.

 whembly wrote:

jouso wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
Except all of those industries (with the probable exception of F1) will be ruined by leaving the EU. Car manufacturers are already making plans to leave. The whole car industry is based on a very slick just in time supply chain. Crashing out of the EU will wreck this. Manufacturing is going to be hit very hard and very fast by Brexit. Even in the best scenario companies will leave the UK and factories will close before we can make any trade deals.

That’s why I say go EFTA. Avoids that crash.

I just had a thought. In EFTA we assume control of our own customs policy. We could approach those countries who have tariffs on our products and see if we could get them lowers or removed. Suddenly we’re basically an eu state who’s more open to outside business. Companies across the EU or abroad might move here to get the best of both worlds.

*BE* the haven for the EU companies. Make it so that ya'll are the Cayman Island of the EU and ya'll would rake in the business.

Things like that... contrast yourselves from the larger market to maximize your share. You do have opportunities to do some of these things.

There's a reason why all deregulated tax havens (or stopping just short of it) are tiny countries with a corresponding population.

What works for a population of 60K people doesn't really make ends meet for 60 million.

Doesn't Ireland have some special tax law goodies that's different than the rest of the EU? Granted they're a country of ~5 million compared to Uk 60 million... but, my point was that ya'll have opportunity to be different (however slightly) that may entice other EU business to operate there.

Until Druncker’s commission intervened. Even though he did the exact same thing for his own Luxembourg. One rule for one and all that. Yet they have the cheek to now say that they respect Ireland’s sovereignty.

 whembly wrote:

jouso wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
Except all of those industries (with the probable exception of F1) will be ruined by leaving the EU. Car manufacturers are already making plans to leave. The whole car industry is based on a very slick just in time supply chain. Crashing out of the EU will wreck this. Manufacturing is going to be hit very hard and very fast by Brexit. Even in the best scenario companies will leave the UK and factories will close before we can make any trade deals.

That’s why I say go EFTA. Avoids that crash.

I just had a thought. In EFTA we assume control of our own customs policy. We could approach those countries who have tariffs on our products and see if we could get them lowers or removed. Suddenly we’re basically an eu state who’s more open to outside business. Companies across the EU or abroad might move here to get the best of both worlds.

*BE* the haven for the EU companies. Make it so that ya'll are the Cayman Island of the EU and ya'll would rake in the business.

Things like that... contrast yourselves from the larger market to maximize your share. You do have opportunities to do some of these things.

There's a reason why all deregulated tax havens (or stopping just short of it) are tiny countries with a corresponding population.

What works for a population of 60K people doesn't really make ends meet for 60 million.

Doesn't Ireland have some special tax law goodies that's different than the rest of the EU? Granted they're a country of ~5 million compared to Uk 60 million... but, my point was that ya'll have opportunity to be different (however slightly) that may entice other EU business to operate there.

Tax law is not under the purview of the EU, although there is a political movement toward tax harmonization, it would mean that the treaties need to be renegotiated, which no one has any stomach for right now. Any EU country can currently set its tax laws however it wants. The UK actually dropped its corporation tax under George Osborne already. Ireland has lax enforcement and a very low rate of corporation tax, a sort of parasitic business model.

 whembly wrote:

jouso wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
Except all of those industries (with the probable exception of F1) will be ruined by leaving the EU. Car manufacturers are already making plans to leave. The whole car industry is based on a very slick just in time supply chain. Crashing out of the EU will wreck this. Manufacturing is going to be hit very hard and very fast by Brexit. Even in the best scenario companies will leave the UK and factories will close before we can make any trade deals.

That’s why I say go EFTA. Avoids that crash.

I just had a thought. In EFTA we assume control of our own customs policy. We could approach those countries who have tariffs on our products and see if we could get them lowers or removed. Suddenly we’re basically an eu state who’s more open to outside business. Companies across the EU or abroad might move here to get the best of both worlds.

*BE* the haven for the EU companies. Make it so that ya'll are the Cayman Island of the EU and ya'll would rake in the business.

Things like that... contrast yourselves from the larger market to maximize your share. You do have opportunities to do some of these things.

There's a reason why all deregulated tax havens (or stopping just short of it) are tiny countries with a corresponding population.

What works for a population of 60K people doesn't really make ends meet for 60 million.

Doesn't Ireland have some special tax law goodies that's different than the rest of the EU? Granted they're a country of ~5 million compared to Uk 60 million... but, my point was that ya'll have opportunity to be different (however slightly) that may entice other EU business to operate there.

It did. Which was why Ireland was hit so hard by the economic downturn, and why countries (including the US) are scrabbling to stop the likes of Amazon, Apple, Google and Starbucks from keeping money overseas. Becoming a tax haven is not viable for anything but a tiny country that can encourage vast numbers of companies to hide wealth there, take a tiny percentage of tax and hen use that in good times and bad. It did not work well for Ireland. It would be terrible for the UK. There is a reason why there are no large tax havens.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

1. The vote happened. Leave won. To reverse that, to ignore 17.4 million people, is fantasy politics. Not to mention the can of worms that would be opened.

The leave campaign lied and broke the law repeatedly. The leave vote was not for anything in particular and it has since become clear that there were almost as many different versions of leave as voters. On to of all this the vote was very close, close enough in fact that “yes” being the leave option and “no” being the remain option could have made the difference. There is plenty of evidence to show that people’s choices are influenced in votes by going for the positive choice.

Having a second referendum on the final deal would be totally reasonable, and frankly the only democratic option. Had the original vote been clear and fair I would agree, but it was neither.

The only reason it has been dismissed is because May is in fear of a small number of extreme MPs, all of whole stand to gain from leaving the EU and have been working to ensure their business interests are protected, and a small number of right wing newspaper editors who have been shown time and again in having no interest in democracy l.

I agree with most of what you say, except for the bit about another referendum. feth that, just cancel Brexit. All this bollocks about "compromise" is exactly that, bollocks. The leave ideology has been measured against reality and been found to be dramatically wanting. The Leave campaign have also been proven to have acted illegally, and I would say that the only legitimate answer is to cancel the result. Leavers are then free to start their campain for a referendum again with a clean slate.

Brexit is, and always has been bollocks. The only real alternative is to ignore the "will of the people", rescind article 50 and try and repair some of the diplomatic damage we have caused with this ridiculous, ill- conceived rubbish.

I'm not even vaguely bothered about the political backlash from disenfranchised leavers. Most of them likely didn't vote before anyway so it's not like we'll miss their votes in the future.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 whembly wrote:

jouso wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
Except all of those industries (with the probable exception of F1) will be ruined by leaving the EU. Car manufacturers are already making plans to leave. The whole car industry is based on a very slick just in time supply chain. Crashing out of the EU will wreck this. Manufacturing is going to be hit very hard and very fast by Brexit. Even in the best scenario companies will leave the UK and factories will close before we can make any trade deals.

That’s why I say go EFTA. Avoids that crash.

I just had a thought. In EFTA we assume control of our own customs policy. We could approach those countries who have tariffs on our products and see if we could get them lowers or removed. Suddenly we’re basically an eu state who’s more open to outside business. Companies across the EU or abroad might move here to get the best of both worlds.

*BE* the haven for the EU companies. Make it so that ya'll are the Cayman Island of the EU and ya'll would rake in the business.

Things like that... contrast yourselves from the larger market to maximize your share. You do have opportunities to do some of these things.

There's a reason why all deregulated tax havens (or stopping just short of it) are tiny countries with a corresponding population.

What works for a population of 60K people doesn't really make ends meet for 60 million.

Doesn't Ireland have some special tax law goodies that's different than the rest of the EU? Granted they're a country of ~5 million compared to Uk 60 million... but, my point was that ya'll have opportunity to be different (however slightly) that may entice other EU business to operate there.

Until Druncker’s commission intervened. Even though he did the exact same thing for his own Luxembourg. One rule for one and all that. Yet they have the cheek to now say that they respect Ireland’s sovereignty.

Ireland has the right to set their own tax policy, and indeed for a while they had the lowest corporate tax rate in the EU (I think now it's Hungary who is pursuing an Ireland-like policy of low corporate rate to attract foreign investment).

What they (they as in Ireland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, etc.)cannot do is to cut sweetheart deals whereby a multinational company gets an effective tax rate of under 1%

Ireland can put a corporate tax rate of 1% tomorrow, as long as every company in Ireland benefits from it. Otherwise it's illegal state aid which not just forbidden by the EU, but also the WTO.

Aye. The recent problems stem from Irish officials looking the other way for big american multinationals like Apple. I am Irish, but I think we deserve a smack with regard to facilitating tax evasion by these huge parasitic companies. Our strategy on tax is beggar thy neighbour and is morally hard to defend. The problem is there is little imagination for a different approach in Ireland. We have few natural resources and a huge emigration problem, which was only stemmed by the fruits of this policy. Our political class have never come up with an alternate industrial strategy and we failed to develop our infrastructure during the boom years.

When the road finally runs out it is going to be rough.

 whembly wrote:

*BE* the haven for the EU companies. Make it so that ya'll are the Cayman Island of the EU and ya'll would rake in the business.

Things like that... contrast yourselves from the larger market to maximize your share. You do have opportunities to do some of these things.

That would be the Cayman Islands and other tax havens where the government cannot adequately support services for the local population and the cost of living is extremely high relative to the incomes of the local people in order to allow for those low tax rates.

 r_squared wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

1. The vote happened. Leave won. To reverse that, to ignore 17.4 million people, is fantasy politics. Not to mention the can of worms that would be opened.

The leave campaign lied and broke the law repeatedly. The leave vote was not for anything in particular and it has since become clear that there were almost as many different versions of leave as voters. On to of all this the vote was very close, close enough in fact that “yes” being the leave option and “no” being the remain option could have made the difference. There is plenty of evidence to show that people’s choices are influenced in votes by going for the positive choice.

Having a second referendum on the final deal would be totally reasonable, and frankly the only democratic option. Had the original vote been clear and fair I would agree, but it was neither.

The only reason it has been dismissed is because May is in fear of a small number of extreme MPs, all of whole stand to gain from leaving the EU and have been working to ensure their business interests are protected, and a small number of right wing newspaper editors who have been shown time and again in having no interest in democracy l.

I agree with most of what you say, except for the bit about another referendum. feth that, just cancel Brexit. All this bollocks about "compromise" is exactly that, bollocks. The leave ideology has been measured against reality and been found to be dramatically wanting. The Leave campaign have also been proven to have acted illegally, and I would say that the only legitimate answer is to cancel the result. Leavers are then free to start their campain for a referendum again with a clean slate.

Brexit is, and always has been bollocks. The only real alternative is to ignore the "will of the people", rescind article 50 and try and repair some of the diplomatic damage we have caused with this ridiculous, ill- conceived rubbish.

I'm not even vaguely bothered about the political backlash from disenfranchised leavers. Most of them likely didn't vote before anyway so it's not like we'll miss their votes in the future.

Exactly brexit is bollocks, that's why we have to call them out on it
The people do not want brexit as offered, by dismissing it you work to there tune I.E. it's not the will of the people.
Let them have a vote no deal brexit vs remain
and then laugh as it works out to 30 to 70
There is no majority (even in leave supporters) For a hard or no-deal brexit.

The've lost they know it, why do you think may said there will be no second referendum no matter what.


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Beautiful, listen to jacob rees mogg dismiss all responsibility and basically say
we won't know if brexit has worked for 50 odd years.
stick that on a bus
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1020671636524191745/video/1
My favourite bit
0.21-0.23
Krishnan guru murphy- but your a man of honour and duty
Jacob rees mogg- SHAKES HEAD IN DISMISSIAL

There already distancing themselves from a no-deal brexit

Article 50 extension would need a second referendum or general election, say EU officials

Those undemocratic fethers!

Illegal referendum? Utter bollocks from start to finish.

The very idea is an affront to my collective dignity.

I say this to everybody: we've all lived through General Elections and at least 2 referendums, or 3 in my case.

Did we ever see an MP at our doors, or attend a town hall meeting, or be awed by politicians in the town square wooing the crowds with barnstorming rhetoric?

Feth no, no, and no again!

What did we get apart from some two bit leaflet through the door every 5 years, or a 5 minute party political broadcast from Plaid Cymru at 3am on Channel 4?

I'd bet every penny I have that 95% of the UK hadn't even heard of the Remain or Leave campaigns until they were in the news recently.

Those so called campaigns, fronted by staged managed PR events in the Westminster bubble, probaby have about as much impact on an election as does a canoe competing with an aircraft carrier.

Re-run a campaign on that?

For the record, the Electoral Commission needs beefed up, wrong doers need to be brought to book, but vote leave's influence on the referendum?

Making a Mount Everest out of a molehill here.

Vote Leave the official vehicle for the leave campaign had no influence on the referendum?

That's a bold strategy cotton.

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
Vote Leave the official vehicle for the leave campaign had no influence on the referendum?

That's a bold strategy cotton.

Show me the evidence.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
Vote Leave the official vehicle for the leave campaign had no influence on the referendum?

That's a bold strategy cotton.

Show me the evidence.

If no one saw or was affected by illegal spending by the official leave campaign; why did they spend so much damn money?

They were endorsed by Farage as well, but I guess no one was influenced by him either?

Seriously? You are arguing campaning has no influence on a referendum? That the result would have been exactly the same with no campaign on either side?

Don’t be ridiculous. Leave spent more than they should have, and hid it. Leave told lie after lie. Not just things they reasonably believed but demonstrable lies. The margin was less than a 2% swing.

What the extra spending was used for was a late targeted social media campaign to get people out to vote who would not otherwise have voted. That could well have made the difference. This is such a huge impact on the country and the leave camp cheated. We should have another referendum with all of the facts. If it is so clear cut surely leave will now have more evidence to show and will win with no problems?

 Steve steveson wrote:
Seriously? You are arguing campaning has no influence on a referendum? That the result would have been exactly the same with no campaign on either side?

The modern political campaign involves locking a politician, usually Theresa May, in a barn in the middle of nowhere, in front of hand-picked party members for an audience, and a few select journalists, for some soft soap questions.

Exactly as what happened last year with May in Aberdeen.

Your saying the £350b bus was not seen by anyone? Your saying that there was no social media advertising? Your saying there was no advertising? If so leaves accounts need looking in to what the hell they spent £8million on.

Herzlos wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
Vote Leave the official vehicle for the leave campaign had no influence on the referendum?

That's a bold strategy cotton.

Show me the evidence.

If no one saw or was affected by illegal spending by the official leave campaign; why did they spend so much damn money?

I would not be surprised if they were using it as a front for laundering dirty money.




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 Steve steveson wrote:
Your saying the £350b bus was not seen by anyone? Your saying that there was no social media advertising? Your saying there was no advertising? If so leaves accounts need looking in to what the hell they spent £8million on.

I can only speak for myself, but I was barely aware of the red bus until the morning of the vote.


Mind you, I was always voting Brexit anyway.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
Vote Leave the official vehicle for the leave campaign had no influence on the referendum?

That's a bold strategy cotton.

Show me the evidence.

If no one saw or was affected by illegal spending by the official leave campaign; why did they spend so much damn money?

I would not be surprised if they were using it as a front for laundering dirty money.

Seriously? That’s your argument? We are on the edge of conspiracy theory now...

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
Seriously? You are arguing campaning has no influence on a referendum? That the result would have been exactly the same with no campaign on either side?

The modern political campaign involves locking a politician, usually Theresa May, in a barn in the middle of nowhere, in front of hand-picked party members for an audience, and a few select journalists, for some soft soap questions.

Exactly as what happened last year with May in Aberdeen.

That's a relic of the past. Modern techniques are surgically targeted using social media.

We've posted the blog post from the strategy head of vote leave about half a dozen times already.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
Vote Leave the official vehicle for the leave campaign had no influence on the referendum?

That's a bold strategy cotton.

Show me the evidence.

If no one saw or was affected by illegal spending by the official leave campaign; why did they spend so much damn money?

I would not be surprised if they were using it as a front for laundering dirty money.




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 Steve steveson wrote:
Your saying the £350b bus was not seen by anyone? Your saying that there was no social media advertising? Your saying there was no advertising? If so leaves accounts need looking in to what the hell they spent £8million on.

I can only speak for myself, but I was barely aware of the red bus until the morning of the vote.


Mind you, I was always voting Brexit anyway.

Either you don’t watch the news or even look at news papers or you are lieing. It was headline news for two weeks.

He was going to vote for Brexit whatever they offered so it's possible that the self confessed politics lover didn't pay attention to anything during the run up.

But you think it's more likely that the campaign money was for laundering than campaigning?


Are you seriously trying to say that all the campaigns, social media and lies influenced less than 2% of the voters and this doesn't jeapordise the legitimacy of the result?

It would have taken quite some effort to avoid seeing it. It was on the front of just about every paper, top of every news program and front of every uk news site for the best part of two weeks and we discussed it on here.

 Knockagh wrote:
Only someone who’s experience of conflict is restricted to pushing plastic men round a table would dare to compare terrorists who bombed school buses, town centres, shot people for their religion with the French resistance fighters or cheapen victims by comparing scum to a fictional sc fi character. A foul analogy but I can let it go because it’s based on total ignorance.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest I've been far closer to a terrorist attack then you've ever been Knock, and knowing what I do of both the IRA and the various French resistance groups, you're wrong. The French did, I'm gonna say, pretty close to everything the IRA did, at one point or another. And there was never a lack for scum on both sides in Ireland.

jouso wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:
Seriously? You are arguing campaning has no influence on a referendum? That the result would have been exactly the same with no campaign on either side?

The modern political campaign involves locking a politician, usually Theresa May, in a barn in the middle of nowhere, in front of hand-picked party members for an audience, and a few select journalists, for some soft soap questions.

Exactly as what happened last year with May in Aberdeen.

That's a relic of the past. Modern techniques are surgically targeted using social media.

We've posted the blog post from the strategy head of vote leave about half a dozen times already.

And in response, usually about half a dozen times,

I've mentioned old people, you know that group that votes in large numbers, and is usually to be found on election day at 7am, standing outside a polling station.

Their members include my elderly father and uncles (both in their 80s)

who still cannot get their heads around a VHS player from 30 years ago, and who probably think that tweeting is the preserve of birds.

They only time they were surgically targeted was when the went for their hip operations!


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 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Knockagh wrote:
Only someone who’s experience of conflict is restricted to pushing plastic men round a table would dare to compare terrorists who bombed school buses, town centres, shot people for their religion with the French resistance fighters or cheapen victims by comparing scum to a fictional sc fi character. A foul analogy but I can let it go because it’s based on total ignorance.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest I've been far closer to a terrorist attack then you've ever been Knock, and knowing what I do of both the IRA and the various French resistance groups, you're wrong. The French did, I'm gonna say, pretty close to everything the IRA did, at one point or another. And there was never a lack for scum on both sides in Ireland.

French Resistance??? What are you, 90 years old or something?


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Herzlos wrote:
He was going to vote for Brexit whatever they offered so it's possible that the self confessed politics lover didn't pay attention to anything during the run up.

But you think it's more likely that the campaign money was for laundering than campaigning?


Are you seriously trying to say that all the campaigns, social media and lies influenced less than 2% of the voters and this doesn't jeapordise the legitimacy of the result?

I've seen a lot of red buses in my time, I can't remember half of them.


As for your 2% point, this is a very difficult thing to quantify.


I want wrong doers punished, no question, but if we were to declare an election void because of a tiny amount of dodgy practices, every election in human history would have to be re-run on that basis.


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 Steve steveson wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
Vote Leave the official vehicle for the leave campaign had no influence on the referendum?

That's a bold strategy cotton.

Show me the evidence.

If no one saw or was affected by illegal spending by the official leave campaign; why did they spend so much damn money?

I would not be surprised if they were using it as a front for laundering dirty money.

Seriously? That’s your argument? We are on the edge of conspiracy theory now...

We don't know. nobody knows. London is full of dodgy money running through that city. The Tories have been up to their necks in dodgy donations for years. Remember Lord Ashcroft trying to buy a seat in the cabinet?

Again I say: beef up the EC, bring wrong doers to book, let's clean house with a root and branch inquiry. I'm all in favour of it.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
Vote Leave the official vehicle for the leave campaign had no influence on the referendum?

That's a bold strategy cotton.

Show me the evidence.

If no one saw or was affected by illegal spending by the official leave campaign; why did they spend so much damn money?

I would not be surprised if they were using it as a front for laundering dirty money.

Seriously? That’s your argument? We are on the edge of conspiracy theory now...

You surprised? He doesn't want anything to get in way of his wrexit. He knows he couldn't get another vote win now that reality is known rather than vies of fools and idiots of brexit pushers. So he pretends vote results are eternal despite in that case his precious uk wrecking wrexit vote would never happened(1975)

How many people voted leave due to lies or illegal spending is impossible to determine, which is why another referendum is needed.

It's also the only punishment that will prevent it happening again; if it's just a small fine or prison stay, that'll just become a cost of doing business.

Oi.

Brexiteers.

Yes. You.

Does it not even bother you slightly that you’ve failed to sway anyone that voted Remain this might actually work out?

Like? Not at All?

Not even a shred or remorse or responsibility?