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adhuin wrote:Someone asked for a sprueshot of forgefathers
From BoF:

Just thought you all would like to see the ironwatch and forgefather sprues compared.

I'm still pretty disapointed about the loinclothes/tabards, and I really don't like the monopose torso, but I like them enough that I'll probably pick up a pack.

If not for the monopose torso, I could see great posibilities for weapon swaps which would enable the adaptation of these figs to many other game systems. Still, it is plastic, so I could still try carving it away...

Separating the torso/cloak from the waist/legs would have been the preferable way to go but the heads are largely interchangeable so there is that. Guess it's time to get out the old hobby saw and start converting the old-school way.

I like em. Not too crazy for them but they are a pretty reasonable price in bulk and they look sci fi enough to warrant some small place in mo forces but I won't be buying any yet. I still have 180 heads to find for my gretchin conversions.

my plan, at least for a few, is to greenstuff some beard varients, that should add some variety

Twilight Kin pics are live, plastic/metal hybrids based on the elves. 6 copies of the army deal are on sale this weekend only for £99 before a full release next February... they've had these sculpts knocking around for a while now, so the delay might be due to them planning to replace the metal components with resin plastic to lower the price. But for now, it looks like they've already made a few in metal that they want to shift.




Turned out pretty well I think, I like them a lot more than the regular elves, they sort out the weird spears, improve the heads, and the cloaks add some bulk to the models.

Overall, I think it's because the basic elf models are more suitable for dark elves in the first place, with their barbed, layered armour and shields.

Good colour scheme for a change, too!

The Sorceress model in particular is very good IMO.

Do quite dig those spearheads as well.

Mantic Army Deals are Ending!

This summer we have been running a selection of fantastic value army deals for both Warpath and Kings of War. These are simply the easiest and best value way to collect a Man(tic) sized army (and you will still have money left over to pay the rent!). Many of these offers have over 100 models, with heroes, artillery, elite regiments and cavalry – in fact everything you need to build a proper army.

But all good things have to end – and this weekend is that time! These army deals will only be available until Midnight Monday 31st – so if you have ever fancied a solid Dwarf battalion, Elven warhost, or Orc mob then click through.

hmm.. that's less good news, but they seem to intimate that there will be deals for new armies ( like the abpove models) when they roll out. Which is nice.

They probably want to re-price and repackage the deals.

If they pull them completely for a bit, then re-introduce them with new contents and price, there will be less gnashing of teeth and tearing of hair on the internets.

They have been constantly adding new deals, while not pulling old ones, so pulling them all would probably be a better way to handle it.


I do find it funny how Mantic has used the blind purchase army deal concept since they came out with the elves, but it wasn't until they dipped into Sci-Fi that people here noticed and had to raise a stink about it.
It's pretty simple. If you don't think they have shown enough to warrant a purchase, don't buy.
I bought the Undead army when all that was out was skeletons, as the cost of the skeletons seperately was close to the package cost.
The ghouls, revenants, and knights rewarded my risk.
Having the option to pre-order currently in-process product is not a bad thing, like some on this thread are screaming.
It is simply another option that they give you.

I like the twilight kin a lot, but they're not kidding when they say for advanced modellers.

The Abyssal dwarf kits are a nightmare!

These look vastly better than the original elves. But the metal/plastic hybrids is a turn off.

I don't like the dwarfs.

Hope those orks look better.

Mantic needs to step up the game, seeing as much qs they pimped this stuff up.

Correct me if I am wrong, but this has not been announced anywhere. Happy Halloween!

Mantic wrote:
Mantic towers has gone Halloween crazy – and what better opportunity to get really excited about our fantastic undead range – and we aren’t the only ones.

We have been inspired by the fantastic article by Violet Death about modelling Zombie and Ghoul regiments on Beasts of War – and created our Halloween Graveyard Horde Special. You get 60 Zombies and Ghouls and three of the terrific Tombstones sprues for just £40, or 20 figures and 1 Tombstone sprues for just £15. So whether you play Kings of War, or one of the other fantasy battle games out there – we can guarantee there is no better way to collect a huge pile of undead alongside great modelling and scenery pieces to make your regiments characterful and totally unique.

These guys are some of my favorite from Mantic, and now they have an army deal!



60 Zombies and Ghouls!

http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Halloween-Specials/Product/Undead-Gravestalker-Horde-60-Figures-and-Tombstones.html?utm_source=Mantic+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=eaa86e8583-Mantic_Games_Newsletter_115&utm_medium=email

...and the set of 20

http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Halloween-Specials/Product/Undead-Gravestalker-Deal-20-Figures-and-Tombstones.html?utm_source=Mantic+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=eaa86e8583-Mantic_Games_Newsletter_115&utm_medium=email

Also, back by popular demand, Mantic have released a German zombies set for Halloween, combining Warlord Games Germans and their own zombies for a very cool kit!



Set makes at least 10 but good use of bits will make plenty more than that!

Mantic wrote:

To finish All Hallows eve of with a bang (well, ‘Braaaiiins!!!!’ might be more appropriate) we have the German Zombies here for the festival weekend. This special set combines the Warlord German sprues and the Mantic Zombies to create a unique, characterful and very reasonably priced regiment of the walking dead – with Schmeisers!!

Check out the pics of the finished models, almost like they were made to be combined

http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Halloween-Specials/Product/German-Zombies.html

Nazi Zombies are reaaaaaaaaaally well made. I would give it a try if i wasnt exhausted from gluing the mantic zombies xD

Looks like today is the last day of Army Deals. Got my Ultimate Warpath deal pre-order in and I know my mate has taken advantage of the Liche King's Horde which has had some money taken off of it. Over 220 figures!!

Wayland games have 30% off the entire mantic undead range, today only:

http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/mantic-games/undead/cat_510.html

I'm not affiliated with them, just pointing out the good deal is all.

You can get the army box of 110 models for only £35!

Less than 30p per model, pretty damn sweet.

Mantic is 80 likes away from the 4000 mark and a free warpath set to a random lik'er

Just as a heads up, the Mantic battle foam bag is now on the Mantic webstore.

Couple of new wrecked vehicles on Mantic Website!

2 upgrade kits are being released for the steel warriors.

The first (pictured below) will have new torsos, heads and BFG option.

The second will be a set of sci-fi legs.

I guess the upgrade kits will be metal?

Agamemnon2 wrote:I guess the upgrade kits will be metal?

Yup, tis a shame. I think these guys look suitable more sci fi. Although perhaps the knee pads are a bit thick

Too little too late, for me. Why should I have to buy another kit to make the sci-fi dwarves look sci-fi? Why couldn't these upgrade parts have been included in the kits from the beginning?

Liking the new stuff, and it's good that they are addressing one of the main criticisms (i.e. that a lot of what we have seen so far is just KoW stuff with small changes and given a gun).

Too little too late, for me. Why should I have to buy another kit to make the sci-fi dwarves look sci-fi? Why couldn't these upgrade parts have been included in the kits from the beginning?

Long story short, Renedra (the company that makes the hard plastic moulds for Mantic) for is overworked, doesn't seem to be expanding (preferring to remain small and raise prices instead), and there are no decent UK-based alternatives.

Mantic would do well to look overseas for it's injection moulding, outsourcing to Japan or somewhere that has excellent tech available would be much better than waiting in line for Renedra to tool moulds for 8-12 other historical mini companies before getting around to doing something for mantic.

It's pretty clear that mantic knew that the corner-cutting wasn't the ideal solution from the start, but didn't anticipate that the public reaction would be so negative.. hence the current scramble to at least put some quality models out there, even if it makes them more expensive.

I think there's room to do this with forgefathers, since they are an "elite" army... you don't need many models to make 1000 points. Won't work if they try to sell metal bodies for the marauders, though.

The dwarfs still wear chainmail and swords.

scarletsquig wrote:

Too little too late, for me. Why should I have to buy another kit to make the sci-fi dwarves look sci-fi? Why couldn't these upgrade parts have been included in the kits from the beginning?

Long story short, Renedra (the company that makes the hard plastic moulds for Mantic) for is overworked, doesn't seem to be expanding (preferring to remain small and raise prices instead), and there are no decent UK-based alternatives.

Mantic would do well to look overseas for it's injection moulding, outsourcing to Japan or somewhere that has excellent tech available would be much better than waiting in line for Renedra to tool moulds for 8-12 other historical mini companies before getting around to doing something for mantic.

It's pretty clear that mantic knew that the corner-cutting wasn't the ideal solution from the start, but didn't anticipate that the public reaction would be so negative.. hence the current scramble to at least put some quality models out there, even if it makes them more expensive.

I think there's room to do this with forgefathers, since they are an "elite" army... you don't need many models to make 1000 points. Won't work if they try to sell metal bodies for the marauders, though.

QFT

Renedra should up-size if it wants to keep business from going overseas, and not just Mantic. IMHO

So they're passing the buck.

Hardly - don't like it, don't buy. Having got a sprue, the sci-fi heads are just fine. Apparently there's a new unit entry for the Drakkarim in the FF army lists that's coming out on Friday, dudes who are a little more short-ranged. That photo is labelled Drakkarim, so you can a) have a new squad and b) use the bits to convert some of your other steel warriors if you want. There's two new BFGs as well included in the kit!

Hell there's some metal legs coming out with those bits too (not pictured btw) or if you really want use the Resin Plastics for all your infantry - they're fantastic and are completely 100% new. No problem.

Some cool new background up as well, and some great new photos:

http://www.manticgames.com/Sci-fi/Forge-Fathers.html

lord marcus wrote:Renedra should up-size if it wants to keep business from going overseas, and not just Mantic. IMHO

Why should Renedra upsize? If Mantic can't supply the demand then they should be the ones investing their money, rather than Renedra expanding only for Mantic to trott off to China.

A "Veermyn" plastic kit is being sent off for tooling.

Make of that what you will, but I'd put good odds on ultra-cheap plastic skavenslaves sometime in 2012.

Bloodwin wrote:

lord marcus wrote:Renedra should up-size if it wants to keep business from going overseas, and not just Mantic. IMHO

Why should Renedra upsize? If Mantic can't supply the demand then they should be the ones investing their money, rather than Renedra expanding only for Mantic to trott off to China.

Well, I think the problem is that if a local producer can't meet demand, eventually it will go out of business as the cost of bringing in non-local production goes down.

It's no different town to city than nation to nation.