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Black Nexus wrote:Don't see what the problem is. Think the Nightmares are gorgeous actually. Armour looks sharp, one arm's blasting with the wrist mounted flame thrower which is pretty cool and the drill is used against walls and armour, or for tanks. Not as fussed on the Night-Crawlers, but I think the Nightmares are just ace. particularly if they were led with the night spawn that got leaked on BOLS:



Ooo, and there's a new Mantic Podcast too which is quite exciting!
http://forum.manticblog.com/showthread.php?812-Mantic-Podcast-Episode-1-The-One-About-Pandora-s-Box&p=5514#post5514

Good god that's bad...it looks like a skaven got a hold of one of those big daddy suits from bioshock.
And stuck terminator parts to it.

I prefer the Corporation.
Sure they also look a bit off, but they are still a lot better, and they would make excellent Elysian Drop Troops.

I think he looks awesome! Really nice colour combination as well, I guess it's a subjective thing.

The new Night-Crawlers aren't too bad, with a bit of conversion work on the pose's, add a few "odd-part" details and maybe replace the heads (they are horrible) I think I could make them look petty good.
Even though it's a real shame they don't look better out of the box. The commander is okay but again replace the head, now that I think about it I would have replace all the tails on the veer-myn models as well, the current ones are so blocky looking, not natural at all.

Also what's up with the guy at the front? he's jaw line and eye line are veering off in two different directions, his head is just so badly done I can't believe they gave it the green-light.

On a different note I must say I'm a little disappointed that the these guys are getting "Rat-Ogres" as their big units, its just so generic, not to mention a real great way of separating their product line from their closest competitors, because ya'know rat ogres aren't commonly associated with another popular vermin based army (regardless if they were orignally a GW creation or not). Just think of all the other possibilities Mantic could've done, recovered industrial mechs (like the power-loader from aliens) that have been altered for war, captured and tamed alien animals/monsters that the veer-myn stole from a alien species research lab and bred en-mass, captured clone troops that have been brought up/trained to serve the veer-myn with their lives, horribly altered by strange mutagens and god know what else.

But nope, just rat ogres with drills for arms, Meh.

Overall some of the veer-myn models are okay by Mantic's standards and at least it shows they are improving, I may even pick up Project Pandora but there is no chance of me buying a full army, simply to much work to make them look good. Who knows maybe in 3-6 years time (rough guess) we may see some really cool stuff from Mantic, but until then ..... well I dunno.

Rolt wrote:On a different note I must say I'm a little disappointed that the these guys are getting "Rat-Ogres" as their big units, its just so generic, not to mention a real great way of separating their product line from their closest competitors, because ya'know rat ogres aren't commonly associated with another popular vermin based army (regardless if they were orignally a GW creation or not). Just think of all the other possibilities Mantic could've done, recovered industrial mechs (like the power-loader from aliens) that have been altered for war, captured and tamed alien animals/monsters that the veer-myn stole from a alien species research lab and bred en-mass, captured clone troops that have been brought up/trained to serve the veer-myn with their lives, horribly altered by strange mutagens and god know what else.

But nope, just rat ogres with drills for arms, Meh.

Quite. Mantic's just not adventurous enough. Giant rats is playing it pretty safe, all in all.

Rolt wrote:On a different note I must say I'm a little disappointed that the these guys are getting "Rat-Ogres" as their big units, its just so generic, not to mention a real great way of separating their product line from their closest competitors, because ya'know rat ogres aren't commonly associated with another popular vermin based army (regardless if they were orignally a GW creation or not). Just think of all the other possibilities Mantic could've done, recovered industrial mechs (like the power-loader from aliens) that have been altered for war, captured and tamed alien animals/monsters that the veer-myn stole from a alien species research lab and bred en-mass, captured clone troops that have been brought up/trained to serve the veer-myn with their lives, horribly altered by strange mutagens and god know what else.

But nope, just rat ogres with drills for arms, Meh.

So instead of "the biggest and strongest rats" as a unit, because they are too WHFB you would like:

"Recovered industrial mechs (like the power-loader from aliens) that have been altered for war" - Sounds like a futurist Clan Skryre to me.
"Captured and tamed alien animals/monsters that the veer-myn stole from a alien species research lab and bred en-mass" - Not so mutatey Clan Moulder anyone?
"Captured clone troops that have been brought up/trained to serve the veer-myn with their lives, horribly altered by strange mutagens and god know what else." - A mutatey Clan Moulder but also with the concept of Clan Slaves added in.

We were trying to get away from WHFB werent we? How about some "very sick rats" that cough on opponents? Or "sneaky rats' that stab them when no one is looking? Ok, yeah that is a little on the nose to me too.

reds8n wrote:

Black Nexus wrote:

An early preview for Step Up 4 : Dance off in Space the TTWG t'would appear.

Fair play to Mantic for aiming to tap into the hitherto unexplored dance film/wargaming crossover segment of the market.

Soon they can start up their own record label and finally complete their metamorphosis into GW circa 1988.

I love when MODs are the ones doing the trolling.

Its what makes Dakka so edgy and cool...


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These Space ratskin are the first Mantic models that have really intrigued me enough to consider buying them...

CT GAMER wrote:

reds8n wrote:

Black Nexus wrote:

An early preview for Step Up 4 : Dance off in Space the TTWG t'would appear.

Fair play to Mantic for aiming to tap into the hitherto unexplored dance film/wargaming crossover segment of the market.

Soon they can start up their own record label and finally complete their metamorphosis into GW circa 1988.

I love when MODs are the ones doing the trolling.

Its what makes Dakka so edgy and cool.

Ooooh, Reds8n, you just got Served!

Black Nexus wrote:

I think this guy is pretty neat as a one-off space mercenary or something, like in an Archon's court or a Xenos inquisitor's retinue. The rest of the rat range is only marginally less disappointing than the Fantasy Dwarfs with guns and Fantasy Orcs with guns.

They've been really badly publicised, but there is an upgrade pack available now (specifically for the Forge Fathers) - basically it's a bunch of extra heads and armour for the standard Steel Warriors, and makes them look a lot more 'sci-fi'. I think there is one coming for the Marauders as well.

Apparently because of the negative reaction about using the KoW bits for Warpath, it's not going to happen again - so I think it's a positive thing that the company is at least trying to listen to feedback and make adjustments accordingly.

Pacific wrote:Apparently because of the negative reaction about using the KoW bits for Warpath, it's not going to happen again - so I think it's a positive thing that the company is at least trying to listen to feedback and make adjustments accordingly.

Look above. It happened again!
And next month you can buy a 20$ upgrade kit to make them look less ridiculously

I am not complaining about them making a Skryre Skaven fantasy army, only that they again botched the sculpting and pretent another barefoot/loincloth faction to be SciFi models. I might even buy some if they decide to release one decent Skryre Skaven sculpt.

And please can someone tell the sculptor that rodents have no carnivore teeth.

Kroothawk wrote:And please can someone tell the sculptor that rodents have no carnivore teeth.

Kroot, I love ya but you attributing real world expectations on a rat-like mutated species. Surely somewhere along the line when they grew 10000% and radically altered their physique they may have had the time to get some meat-eating teeth too?

Kroothawk wrote:

Pacific wrote:Apparently because of the negative reaction about using the KoW bits for Warpath, it's not going to happen again - so I think it's a positive thing that the company is at least trying to listen to feedback and make adjustments accordingly.

Look above. It happened again!
And next month you can buy a 20$ upgrade kit to make them look less ridiculously

Where, exactly, Kroot? As noted by Pacific, the criticism was that they were using parts from their KoW models as a base for their Warpath models. Last I checked, Mantic weren't currently producing, or have announced, a human army or "Skaven" army for KoW that they could be using in their Corporation or Veermyn lines.

So, I'll ask again - where has the KoW recycling happened again, Kroot?

That is a pretty good looking army. They need some gillie suits, some darker colors, and some scrapped together weapons from defeated enemies.

Very good looking sculpts considering the rest of the range. I am intrigued by them and they have definatly gotten my interest bqack since the space dwarf craptacular first army...

How do the human factions stack up with Starship Trooper minis, size wise?

Adding in a couple of squads of skavin with hand to hand weapons and las guns would be a great addin on that group of rats. Other would be some of those gothic rats from Megaminis, and some of those other weapons from the orks.

Amazing options for gaming, and.... no subpar finecast.

SOMEONE has taken a page out of GW's 1990's book, you know- the one that worked for them and put them on the map?

Kroothawk wrote:

And please can someone tell the sculptor that rodents have no carnivore teeth.

What about mutated alien Space creatures that happen to LOOK like rodents?

I'd say that Mantic's "rodents" don't look any more silly in this regard than GW's repeated failed attempts at all thing wolf.

And every time someone says the Fenrisian wolves look awful, someone chmes in to say "but they arent WOLVES, they are an alien species called wolves..."

CT GAMER wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

And please can someone tell the sculptor that rodents have no carnivore teeth.

What about mutated alien Space creatures that happen to LOOK like rodents?

These are not aliens. They are literally intended to be descendants of modern day rats.

AlexHolker wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

And please can someone tell the sculptor that rodents have no carnivore teeth.

What about mutated alien Space creatures that happen to LOOK like rodents?

These are not aliens. They are literally intended to be descendants of modern day rats.

Rats that now wear armor, use weapons and walk erect. And yet their teeth are your biggest concern?

Claiming evolution is all the more reason that they would not look like the rats of today.

creatures that evolve change often substantially over the course of thousands of years.

Who is to say that their teeth didnt evolve to more carnivorous form due to needing to fend off enemies or to allow them to better eat the meat they needed to grow in stature, or some other reason connected with survival etc?

This debate is silly...


Bottom line: pointy gnashy teeth look more ferocious and menacing than buck tooth rat teeth, and that is why the look that way. And thank god.

Vain wrote:So instead of "the biggest and strongest rats" as a unit, because they are too WHFB you would like:

"Recovered industrial mechs (like the power-loader from aliens) that have been altered for war" - Sounds like a futurist Clan Skryre to me.
"Captured and tamed alien animals/monsters that the veer-myn stole from a alien species research lab and bred en-mass" - Not so mutatey Clan Moulder anyone?
"Captured clone troops that have been brought up/trained to serve the veer-myn with their lives, horribly altered by strange mutagens and god know what else." - A mutatey Clan Moulder but also with the concept of Clan Slaves added in.

We were trying to get away from WHFB werent we? How about some "very sick rats" that cough on opponents? Or "sneaky rats' that stab them when no one is looking? Ok, yeah that is a little on the nose to me too.

Oh yes, trust me that's a very fair point, I think your going to end up with crossover/comparison units in the veer-myn army with skaven no matter what options you pick. Its just me personally the option comes off as a bit genetic, but I'm sure other people love the idea. I will admit I really want to get some of these miniatures in my hand so I can give them a fairer assessment, judging the miniatures fully off of pictures just isn't good enough.

Who knows I say I wouldn't buy an army now, but in a few months I might turn around and say:
"you know what? I want a big conversion project to keep me busy for a couple of months, Mantics Verr-myn would be perfect for that, I can change all suff I don't like and make them look really cool"
It would be far from the first time I've done that.

On a different note Mantics Podcast has been out for a few days now, has anyone listened to it? any interesting tid-bits to share?
I might listen to it later tonight, got some sculpting projects I what to finsh, would be happy to note down anything good I hear.

Another sale is on, Mantic are doing a "buy 2, get a 3rd free" offer on all their plastic sets.

http://www.manticblog.com/?p=5857

Few other offers there too, looks like these will be the deals they'll be offering at their Salute stand, but they're making them available for online customers too.

33% off with free shipping is pretty sweet, you could get 90 zombies for £40!

For this week only too! I've just laid down a little capital for that Veer-myn army deal and deluxed it for free as it's over £75.

I'm starting to think we're looking at different models. How that hero is bad I have no idea...

CT GAMER wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

And please can someone tell the sculptor that rodents have no carnivore teeth.

What about mutated alien Space creatures that happen to LOOK like rodents?

I'd say that Mantic's "rodents" don't look any more silly in this regard than GW's repeated failed attempts at all thing wolf.

And every time someone says the Fenrisian wolves look awful, someone chmes in to say "but they arent WOLVES, they are an alien species called wolves..."

There are no wolves on Fenris...

dubovac wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

And please can someone tell the sculptor that rodents have no carnivore teeth.

What about mutated alien Space creatures that happen to LOOK like rodents?

I'd say that Mantic's "rodents" don't look any more silly in this regard than GW's repeated failed attempts at all thing wolf.

And every time someone says the Fenrisian wolves look awful, someone chmes in to say "but they arent WOLVES, they are an alien species called wolves..."

There are no wolves on Fenris...

I know that, which was exactly my point: Rat men are not 'Rats" they are "Rat men".

I'm still flabbergasted that there are people who are all "Hurrr, Space Rats with decidedly unratlike teeth are stupid!" but don't have a problem with psychic humanoid fungus creatures. Because psychic humanoid fungus creatures are so much more believable than evolved ratmen with odd teeth.

Note: I'm saying they're both pretty fething ridiculous. Hell, 40K is pretty much built on over-the-top flying rodent gak crazy stuff like that.

Psychic space fungus that has been bioengineered as a living weapon is a more credible threat than mutant space rats.

All a matter of opinion of course, and anyone is welcome to enjoy the concept and collect the army. I find them tremendously disappointing however and a poor indicator of the quality of background we can expect from mantic.

And I say this as someone who enjoys a bit of humour in their Grimdark.

Da Boss wrote:Psychic space fungus that has been bioengineered as a living weapon is a more credible threat than mutant space rats.

All a matter of opinion of course, and anyone is welcome to enjoy the concept and collect the army. I find them tremendously disappointing however and a poor indicator of the quality of background we can expect from mantic.

And I say this as someone who enjoys a bit of humour in their Grimdark.

This is a fictional universe of made up races, using made up weaponry, to fight battles in what we assume would be the natural way. Credibility is not involved.

Da Boss wrote:Psychic space fungus that has been bioengineered as a living weapon is a more credible threat than mutant space rats.

All a matter of opinion of course, and anyone is welcome to enjoy the concept and collect the army. I find them tremendously disappointing however and a poor indicator of the quality of background we can expect from mantic.

And I say this as someone who enjoys a bit of humour in their Grimdark.

Not sure how it's any more far-fetched than mutant fantasy rats? Or any other kind of mutant fantasy/sci-fi anthroporphic or hybrid animal-men? Beastmen, Broo, Kobolds, Minotaurs, Satyr, Tauren, Naga, Lammasu... etc
...and who's to say that Space Skaven aren't a bioengineered-weapon life form based on rats? Actually seems much more credible than Fungus Men.

And I say this as someone who doesn't much like the models. And I hate the name.

lord marcus wrote:This is a fictional universe of made up races, using made up weaponry, to fight battles in what we assume would be the natural way. Credibility is not involved.

A certain level of credibility is a requisite for a fictional universe, no matter how farfetched.

scarletsquig wrote:Another sale is on, Mantic are doing a "buy 2, get a 3rd free" offer on all their plastic sets.
http://www.manticblog.com/?p=5857
Few other offers there too, looks like these will be the deals they'll be offering at their Salute stand, but they're making them available for online customers too.
33% off with free shipping is pretty sweet, you could get 90 zombies for £40!

I can't see the free shipping bit?

Good deal on the plastic stuff though. Shame it doesn't cover the restic as well, as I have the plastic Undead already.

Free shipping is on their shipping rates page.

Free over $75 or £25, though you won't get the sterling free shipping if you live outside the UK apparently.

Psychic space fungus that has been bioengineered as a living weapon is a more credible threat than mutant space rats.

Some of the things people say on the internet. There's no other place you'd get a comment - or a thread - like this.

Black Nexus wrote:

Psychic space fungus that has been bioengineered as a living weapon is a more credible threat than mutant space rats.

Some of the things people say on the internet. There's no other place you'd get a comment - or a thread - like this.

hahaha indeed..

Death By Monkeys wrote:Okay, I apologize if this has been discussed already as I haven't followed this thread as closely as I should have, but what's the difference between the Corporation Marines and the Corporation Veterans?

Corporation Marines:


Corporation Veterans:


Correct me if I'm wrong, but from the pic, the figures look the same, but it's just that they have different weapons and the Vet box comes with a Heavy Weapon team. Is that correct? Or are there other differences I'm not seeing?

Black Nexus wrote:Got a little bit excited by these...





Can't wait until May!

These models keep getting worse and worse, don't they?