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 tetrisphreak wrote:

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Sadly tomorrow is our monthly RTT so I won't be able to use the GSC yet. Then Monday begins our weekly league which is a heralds of ruin kill team. I'll have to convince someone to play a full sized game with me outside of the league restrictions because I'm dying to use these guys

If you have Overkill, the dataslates have the neophyte and acolyte squads for 195 pts combined. 28 mcgribbles will be a lot for any kill team to handle.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Deathwatch/40k-rules-deathwatch-en.pdf

I'm planning on giving them a shot this week when my group gets together.

We are using the heralds of ruin rosters so I can use the army for the league and start painting it but I'm really dying to test them out full strength.


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I was really hoping to take advantage of black library but they've time locked the mobi file. Still will be handy to have so I don't mess up my collectors codex

My local just started using Heralds of Ruin and we all are having a blast with it.

 Formosa wrote:
i wonder if they will sort out stealers in this dex?

I'm guessing yes, but it's fairly presumptive.

1.) we know the army rule lets you set up closer than usual, and possibly assault from reserves.
2.) we know the purestrains in overkill come with stealth.
3.) we know there's a formation that includes a patriarch and a brood of purestrains.

Based on these facts I would imagine that particular formation could get a more likely bonus to the cult ambush table as well as good cover bonuses.

So my digga's are going to get new weapons transports and a non FW set of rules for 40k . This release is gold : D

The models all look amazing. My favorite has to be the grinning acolyte with dynamite. I also love the giant saws, drills, and cutters some of them are using.

My question is will Genestealer Cults count as Tyranids for the Preferred Enemy special rule?

I play an Elysian D99 list from the Aphelion Project and all units have Preferred Enemy (Tyranids), so it would be awesome if it did but I presume it won't as Genestealer Cults are a separate codex.

The models are great. Now let's see if the codex is great too.

Tyranid607 wrote:

 Spyro_Killer wrote:
And does everything except genestealers count as hybrids?

those unit releasing next week, but I am not sure about Aberrants, I just remember it cost 30pts per model
Aberrants and one of the new tank should come 2 weeks later

What's coming out between the codex and hybrids and the vehicle then? I thought the vehicle would be next week, not 2 weeks time.

Perhaps a boxset of the HQs? (Which I imagine are just DW:OK rereleases).

What do people think the price of a Goliath will be in pounds sterling? This release seems very reasonable so far - are we thinking £35?

I don't know if I should hold out for a start collecting. January isn't too far away in the grand scheme of things...

I have to wonder what will be the point of Genestealers in the book?

Surely the Acolytes do the melee troops thing so much better?

 Bottle wrote:
Perhaps a boxset of the HQs? (Which I imagine are just DW:OK rereleases).

What do people think the price of a Goliath will be in pounds sterling? This release seems very reasonable so far - are we thinking £35?

I don't know if I should hold out for a start collecting. January isn't too far away in the grand scheme of things...

I have a horrible feeling that the trucks will cost about €50-60 euro but you can work out for yourself what that is in brexit money
Already this is looking like the most expensive army to build I've ever considered

 dan2026 wrote:
I have to wonder what will be the point of Genestealers in the book?

Surely the Acolytes do the melee troops thing so much better?

If this turns out to be correct, hopefully GW will sort 'stealers out in the next Tyranid Codex.

 Souleater wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
I have to wonder what will be the point of Genestealers in the book?

Surely the Acolytes do the melee troops thing so much better?

If this turns out to be correct, hopefully GW will sort 'stealers out in the next Tyranid Codex.

Don´t think so.
If you look at the vid they clearly say, that the Genestealers, the Purestrains, are different from the "normal" genestealers of the nids. Stronger und more aggressive, potential to become a patriach.

 Spyro_Killer wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
Perhaps a boxset of the HQs? (Which I imagine are just DW:OK rereleases).

What do people think the price of a Goliath will be in pounds sterling? This release seems very reasonable so far - are we thinking £35?

I don't know if I should hold out for a start collecting. January isn't too far away in the grand scheme of things...

I have a horrible feeling that the trucks will cost about €50-60 euro but you can work out for yourself what that is in brexit money
Already this is looking like the most expensive army to build I've ever considered

Haha, so about £50 pounds then :-p

No, I don't think it'll be that much. I'm not an active 40k player, so I don't know about a 2000 point army, but for the price of the plastic you get they seem good value to me. Surely a box of Overkill, a box of Neophytes, box of Acolytes, 2 Goliaths and 2 boxes of Genestealers would get you a good army (or am I missing the mark here on how many you'll need).

 dan2026 wrote:
I have to wonder what will be the point of Genestealers in the book?

Surely the Acolytes do the melee troops thing so much better?

Whats the Point of Hormagants if we have Genestealers, whats the point of Shrikes if we have Ravagers, whats the point. Whats the point in playing 5 different types of SM?

Its the same for every army, its for variety, modeling, painting and fun.

 Bottle wrote:

 Spyro_Killer wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
Perhaps a boxset of the HQs? (Which I imagine are just DW:OK rereleases).

What do people think the price of a Goliath will be in pounds sterling? This release seems very reasonable so far - are we thinking £35?

I don't know if I should hold out for a start collecting. January isn't too far away in the grand scheme of things...

I have a horrible feeling that the trucks will cost about €50-60 euro but you can work out for yourself what that is in brexit money
Already this is looking like the most expensive army to build I've ever considered

Haha, so about £50 pounds then :-p

No, I don't think it'll be that much. I'm not an active 40k player, so I don't know about a 2000 point army, but for the price of the plastic you get they seem good value to me. Surely a box of Overkill, a box of Neophytes, box of Acolytes, 2 Goliaths and 2 boxes of Genestealers would get you a good army (or am I missing the mark here on how many you'll need).

Missing the mark a little I'm afraid the full overkill box is 600pts can assume the new boxes are about 100 pts a piece, genestealer are apparently 13 pts according to a previous poster and tanks are an unknown. That'd clock in about 1300 as a guess?

Oh wow. Looks like I am sticking to combat patrol then :-p

Age of Sigmar has this same problem, it gets to a point with horde armies that you simply don't want to take a whole trunk of minis to the game store, especially when you'll have to duplicate the choices many times over. What I posted above seems like an "army collection" in my mind and I wouldn't want to almost double it just to get to the tournament standard.

I was planning on buying the codex and a couple of boxes of neophytes this week but with how much building a list looks to be I'll probably just pick up a codex! Hopefully there's a way of doing it sans breaking the bank

 Spyro_Killer wrote:
I was planning on buying the codex and a couple of boxes of neophytes this week but with how much building a list looks to be I'll probably just pick up a codex! Hopefully there's a way of doing it sans breaking the bank

Buying the DWO GSC sprue on eBay seems like your best bet. About 40 models in that. Then just buy the GSC boxes that you want. Or go online, buy DWO cheap and flog the Deathwatch minis and game contents...

Did GW price the infantry boxes with an eye towards the plentiful GSC sprues sitting on eBay I wonder?

This release also looks golden if you wanted to start a Necromunda gang. I kind of want to paint up a gang with all these heavy stubbere and such floating around soon...

Play the size of game you want against the people you want. Don't worry about tournaments and standards. It's your game, people.

One box of neo's has 20 heads and 25 arms I'll get a box of Cadians and make 20 neo's pretty easily then get some trenchcoat legs, body's and rebreather heads use the shot guns and get 10-12 more that's 30-32 neo's and clocks in at $5aus a model roughly.
I'll get a box of acol's and from kromlech get the Ork armoured trenchcoats and get at least 16 acol's from one box. That's about $7-8aus a model.

While the price is high for them, the extra parts allow for tons of spares.

If the neo set has 10 spare heads you can easily buy a box of cadian and head swap.
Gives you enough for sentinel pilots and vehicle crew etc aswell.

Although, I may have closed cockpits anyway.

Made a 'Mining Colony' IG list that will use Converted Gen 4s and Converted Leman Russes and Taurox (Will be the Cult Van with the front of a Taurox)

1750

HQ-680
"Pask" (Will be the Mining Overseer) in Exterminator w/ Multimeltas, Lascannon, Augur Array, Camo Netting, Dozer Blade, Extra Armour, Recovery Gear
2x Demolishers w/ Camo Netting and Lascannons

Troops-320
2x Veterans w/ Grenadiers, Power Axe (will be Pick from Gen 4 Box) and a Taurox (w/ Camo Netting and Recovery Gear)

Elites-480
3x Hades Breaching Drills With Power Axe on Sergeant

Heavy Support-270
3x 3 Cyclops

Tried to include as much 'Mining' gear as possible (Hence Leman Russ Demolishers) whilst keeping a semi-good Army State
Only have Tank Orders...

With regards the pricing I'm wondering if we'll see a rerelease of the overkill cult contents minus the hqs as a start collecting box or something similar, much like how the kill team was resold separately.

Each to their own but I wouldn't try and model a mixed unit that uses the new neophytes AND cadians. I'd do separate units for sure. And plastic cadians are so damn expensive these days anyway, it's barely worth it.

I don't see what the big deal is personally - if you tried to build an imperial guard army with the kind of model count people are talking about here, it would be more or less just as expensive in £££. There's always point sink units if you know how to find them, so if you're worried about getting up to a points level for pick-up games, don't be. I'm sure some pricey unit and weapon upgrades will be in the book. Probably best to wait and see. And if your response to that is that it won't be competitive - well, building a truly competitive army for tournaments or whatever is often expensive.

Seito O wrote:

Don´t think so.
If you look at the vid they clearly say, that the Genestealers, the Purestrains, are different from the "normal" genestealers of the nids. Stronger und more aggressive, potential to become a patriach.

ah, my sound card is borked at the moment so didn't hear the audio.

That's a let down for my Nids.

I've ordered the Codex for the fluff, etc but looking my Warmashame* pile I'll hold off for a while on actual models - I've got DW:OK to get started on in the mean time.


(It's a pile of unpainted shame made mostly of Warmachine, in case you were wondering. You werent'? Okay. )

 Bull0 wrote:
Each to their own but I wouldn't try and model a mixed unit that uses the new neophytes AND cadians. I'd do separate units for sure. And plastic cadians are so damn expensive these days anyway, it's barely worth it.

I don't see what the big deal is personally - if you tried to build an imperial guard army with the kind of model count people are talking about here, it would be more or less just as expensive in £££. There's always point sink units if you know how to find them, so if you're worried about getting up to a points level for pick-up games, don't be. I'm sure some pricey unit and weapon upgrades will be in the book. Probably best to wait and see. And if your response to that is that it won't be competitive - well, building a truly competitive army for tournaments or whatever is often expensive.

I wasn't going to do mixed units... 10 Cadians neo's, 10 trench coat neos and 10 normal from one box, I assumed it would be a ten man min unit. Or just do all Cadians extras or all trenchcoat extras it doesn't make much difference.
In Aus the GSC boxes are $70 the AM boxes are $48 we really have messed up pricing.

So many pages... These were posted? Closeup of the Goliath and the back of the Codex book:

Source: https://kleinergargoyle.wordpress.com/2016/09/25/40k-goliath-neues-fahrzeug-fuer-den-genestealer-cult-symbiontenkult/

New to me Warhams, cheers for that as they are the best quality pictures we have thus far.