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Moopy - Right. But, we are talking about BA here and I would think everyone else knows just how overpowered and broken they are.

I still smile deep down inside to think that the then-completely-new Witch Hunter codex only got a few dozen games to test it.

That must be why they always win the grand tournies.

Yes, we have gotten a lot of free stuff for a long time and it looks like that will change; probably for the better. But honestly, the only part of the list that everyone really has strong opinions about is the DC.

What am I hoping to see in the new list?
1. Cheaper Vet assaulters. +5 pts per model just to be able to take melta guns? Not worth it.
2. Get rid of the rhino blows up crap. Really it's crap since we have tech marines.
3. DC Stop taking vets for weapon upgrades. Have an option to buy them, maybe 1 for ever 5 DC. PW, PF, LC.
4. Pay something from rhino or jp for DC
5. Make Sanquinary Priests (not SHP) play some larger roll in army as a unit upgrade. They're very cool but I've never seen one used.
6. If mandated FC goes away allow units to take other skills. If not then they get a BR roll, then they have FC that turn as well.
7. Allow BA to disembark if they've gone over 12". Not assault, just get out. They've always been a rapid mobile strike army, but now there's very little that plays to that theme.

How about if OCE allows them to assault the same turn the rhino moves? Probably won't happen but that would really give people something to whine about.

- Greenie

I tend to agree with Moopy.

Blood Angels have always been a very 'in your face' army list. Here's what I'd like to see done (Taking some of what Moopy has said)

1) Cheaper rhinos & Razorbacks. I don't want them to necessarily be as cheap as the Dark Angels codex has them, but let me at least pay the same as the SM codex please.

2.) Remove the "I explode" part of the rhino & razorback overcharged engines upgrade part, OR leave it and make that a BA only optional upgrade for the rhinos & razorbacks (+5 points for overcharged engines).

3) See moopy's 3rd point, make weapon upgrades a "1 in 4 or 1 in 5" option. However, no lightning claws, just power weapons and powerfists only. (personal opinion there) I think LC's might be a little overpowered when you factor in the chaplains litanies ability and furious charge.

4) See Moopy's 4th point, I agree with this totally. Pay X points and get a rhino, or pay Y points and get jump packs for the DC.

5) Cheaper veteran assault squads. Make them worth taking!

6) I tend to agree with Moopy about the sanguiniary priests, but prehaps not a unit upgrade. Maybe let veteran and veteran assault squads have them prehaps?

7) See Moopy's 7th point: I agree with this as well.

8) Give Blood Angels a unique drop pod option, like a drop pod with a different weapon system other than the stormbolter, built for crowd control. Maybe a flamer, or something along those lines.

9) Balance Furious Charge with Black Rage, either pay 1 extra point for all infantry models that have FC factoring in the BR random movement disadvantage, or remove it and let it be that FC only happens IF you roll a 1 on the BR check as has been suggested before.

10) Make bikes a more viable option. I don't ever see BA bikers used. I'd like to try and run them in the future, but assault marines just do the job better overall.

11) Add 10 points to the SHP's point cost and give him 3 wounds, or make a 3 wound version of him to go with the existing 2 wound version. (To bring it up to speed with the other marine character options available in the SM codex.)

That's what I'd like to see.

We'll see what happens though. Take it easy everyone.

-RT-

SP for the Vetran squads would be cool as they would be leading more elite units and not just your average troop squad. Also would make those choices more attractive.

Green B: That's what they called the "rhino rush" and GW purposefully nerfed it as people could get a turn 1 charge. I got it several times, (killing a land raider with a thunder hammer once). People hated it so GW did away with it. Sorry if this is not what your post refered to.