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We might as well ask for world peace instead of the impossible.

Would that world peace be admniistered by loudest voice, or by committee?

JohnHwangDD wrote:Would that world peace be admniistered by loudest voice, or by committee?

Loudest voice obviously (Provided it's mine, if not start the revolution)

BrookM wrote:We might as well ask for world peace instead of the impossible.

I'm actually against world peace, I think as a species we need conflict to survive and grow; we need the challenges it brings and the danger.

cadbren wrote:

BrookM wrote:We might as well ask for world peace instead of the impossible.

I'm actually against world peace, I think as a species we need conflict to survive and grow; we need the challenges it brings and the danger.

I agree with this point. Back on topic though, I will likely buy these models, greenstuff slightly more German looking gasmasks on them and just add backpacks. Hell, I was just planning on using Cadian arms anyhow. Problem is with the WGF forums are that you have too many people like Adamsouza who drown the forums in their ideas. I posted a couple of pieces of hand drawn concept art and a couple of my ideas made it this far so, I'll take my small victory and just run with it.


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Also, sorry for the double post, but the reason the greatcoat looks like a skirt is due to the fact that greatcoats rarely have buttons that go past the waste as this would hinder leg movement. That is all.

Shattered Soul wrote: Also, sorry for the double post, but the reason the greatcoat looks like a skirt is due to the fact that greatcoats rarely have buttons that go past the waste as this would hinder leg movement. That is all.

My Outback Duster begs to differ - it buttons to at least mid-thigh, and only unbutton to the waist for riding use (in which case, you use the thigh straps)...

And my trenchcoat buttons similarly.

I think it's for wind and such, so the material doesn't get blown around as much.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Shattered Soul wrote: Also, sorry for the double post, but the reason the greatcoat looks like a skirt is due to the fact that greatcoats rarely have buttons that go past the waste as this would hinder leg movement. That is all.

My Outback Duster begs to differ - it buttons to at least mid-thigh, and only unbutton to the waist for riding use (in which case, you use the thigh straps)...

And my trenchcoat buttons similarly.

I think it's for wind and such, so the material doesn't get blown around as much.

Depends on the materials, most wool trenchcoats don't button too far past the waist if at all though due to the fact they are meant for warmth in the trenches, not for protecting against high wind gusts.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Quite so, quite so. Democracy only works in a situation like this if forums have much more draconian structures to make sure the loud can't bully the timid into silence.

"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner."

Or in this case, interwebz screamers that cannot afford FW...

I think people are a bit too cynical. WGF is doing this to make money which means all forum feedback and debates are ultimately there to be market reseach on what will be popular.

Sure in a forum I can should people down and say our models must have X or Y but surely a for-profit company about to stake a lot of money in a project can tell the difference between a general concencus and one loud mouth's random idea.

This prtotype looks pretty lame, terrible looking, if you people think this looks good then something must be wrong with you not to see. The finished celts by Wargames Factory look the same quality as this fig. Dont expect these figs to look any good. I am very disapointed. Of course WGF thinks low quality for a cheap price with alot of them. WHY NOT GOOD QUALITY FOR A CHEAP PRICE WITH ALOT????

Warboss Narznok wrote:This prtotype looks pretty lame, terrible looking, if you people think this looks good then something must be wrong with you not to see. The finished celts by Wargames Factory look the same quality as this fig. Dont expect these figs to look any good. I am very disapointed. Of course WGF thinks low quality for a cheap price with alot of them. WHY NOT GOOD QUALITY FOR A CHEAP PRICE WITH ALOT????

welcome to Dakka...

Now lay off the caffeine, the quality of the mini is considerably higher than the quality of your sentences.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Warboss Narznok wrote:This prtotype looks pretty lame, terrible looking, if you people think this looks good then something must be wrong with you not to see. The finished celts by Wargames Factory look the same quality as this fig. Dont expect these figs to look any good. I am very disapointed. Of course WGF thinks low quality for a cheap price with alot of them. WHY NOT GOOD QUALITY FOR A CHEAP PRICE WITH ALOT????

welcome to Dakka...

Now lay off the caffeine, the quality of the mini is considerably higher than the quality of your sentences.

Debatable.

For real, I can't imagine why anyone would be excited to have mini's that look like these, even if they are cheap. They just don't look good, and even at a couple dollars a sprue, I'd rather stick with GW cadians with head swaps, or even stock. 20% off at select retailers is acceptable and much better looking than these bargain basement sculpts.

Warboss Narznok wrote:This prtotype looks pretty lame, terrible looking, if you people think this looks good then something must be wrong with you not to see. The finished celts by Wargames Factory look the same quality as this fig. Dont expect these figs to look any good. I am very disapointed. Of course WGF thinks low quality for a cheap price with alot of them. WHY NOT GOOD QUALITY FOR A CHEAP PRICE WITH ALOT????

Why not? Why not cheap resin figs from Forge World? Why not competitive armylists for every army at the same time? Why not free candy and unlimited rice pudding?

That's going to be my campaign if I ever run for President..."Why not?"

Warboss Narznok wrote:This prtotype looks pretty lame, terrible looking, if you people think this looks good then something must be wrong with you not to see. The finished celts by Wargames Factory look the same quality as this fig. Dont expect these figs to look any good. I am very disapointed. Of course WGF thinks low quality for a cheap price with alot of them. WHY NOT GOOD QUALITY FOR A CHEAP PRICE WITH ALOT????

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Warboss Narznok wrote:This prtotype looks pretty lame, terrible looking, if you people think this looks good then something must be wrong with you not to see. The finished celts by Wargames Factory look the same quality as this fig. Dont expect these figs to look any good. I am very disapointed. Of course WGF thinks low quality for a cheap price with alot of them. WHY NOT GOOD QUALITY FOR A CHEAP PRICE WITH ALOT????

Why not? Why not cheap resin figs from Forge World? Why not competitive armylists for every army at the same time? Why not free candy and unlimited rice pudding?

Take a look at Victrix.
victrixlimited.co.uk

they make 28mm hard plastic multi posed Napoleonics. 52-60 in a box. The quality is superb and the cost is 50 cents, 50 CENTS for a high quality historical miniature!

Sure WF will be cheap but I don't think those sci fi guys are good. I guess people are easily impressed.

Just wait for another company to put out a better sci fi human soldier in plastic at better prices than GW.

So... instead of sarcasm, just realize that these are OK and could be better, instead of being blown away.

Otto
noizehive.blogspot.com

My response to these have been called many things so far, but surely nobody has called it "being blown away".

Mh...I expected more honestly. But the grey drybrush to show the details better isn't helping the model at all.

I'm still looking forward how they turn out. for the price, I expect a slight increase in quality, but don't expect FW or GW quality.

Greets
Schepp himself

Shattered Soul wrote:

cadbren wrote:

BrookM wrote:We might as well ask for world peace instead of the impossible.

I'm actually against world peace, I think as a species we need conflict to survive and grow; we need the challenges it brings and the danger.

I agree with this point. Back on topic though, I will likely buy these models, greenstuff slightly more German looking gasmasks on them and just add backpacks. Hell, I was just planning on using Cadian arms anyhow. Problem is with the WGF forums are that you have too many people like Adamsouza who drown the forums in their ideas. I posted a couple of pieces of hand drawn concept art and a couple of my ideas made it this far so, I'll take my small victory and just run with it.


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Also, sorry for the double post, but the reason the greatcoat looks like a skirt is due to the fact that greatcoats rarely have buttons that go past the waste as this would hinder leg movement. That is all.

If you're going to put that much work in why not make your own master figure using copyright free parts from Hasslefree and mould as many as you like. You could even sell them.

Hopefully they'll look better once finished and have some other poses; at the moment they don't look much different from plastic army men.

looking good

Well, two months later and nothing's happened and they've even put up the minimum number of orders ..again..to 3000! Are they going to make these things ever or is it just a ruse to get people to look at the rest of their offerings?

It costs a lot to make a mould for plastics so they need to know they can cover that investment.

I get the feeling WF is two people (the PR guy and the sculptor) working in their (mom's?) basements. They don't have casting equipment of their own, they just design sprues and have them cast by another company.

They probably have to pay for hundreds (or thousands) of casts in advance, so they can't afford more than one new sprue every few months. They didn't expect the L&UL project to take off so fast, and they can't keep up either in sculpting time or financially.

The basic economics are that you can get a good metal spincasting setup installed in your garage for between $5,000 and $10,000.

It costs about the same just for the mould for a polystyrene sprue frame.

Metal figures can be set up and casted almost individually. In fact, companies like Baccus keep a small stock in hand and cast up any big orders as they come in.

The prep time for a polystyrene moulding machine means it is not worth switching on unless you are going to produce hundreds of copies.

lord_blackfang wrote:I get the feeling WF is two people (the PR guy and the sculptor) working in their (mom's?) basements. They don't have casting equipment of their own, they just design sprues and have them cast by another company.

They probably have to pay for hundreds (or thousands) of casts in advance, so they can't afford more than one new sprue every few months. They didn't expect the L&UL project to take off so fast, and they can't keep up either in sculpting time or financially.

First off you're wrong, they do own casting equipment and they'be put a new plastic set each month for a year.

Second off you're wrong about them having 2 people.

They have 5.

And they've been very upfront on their boards about what they can do, what they can't and where things stand. They're working slowly on the Great Coats since it's a new field for them and since Sci-Fi unlike historicals can look like anything. The only guide is what looks cool which is very subjective.

The whole Liberty and Union League has been much more successful than they expected and overwhelmed their abilities so they are re-examining it. And they're asking for feedback from customers on how to make it better.

Now natually I want everything and I want it now but I'm not going to go into full on nerd rage when I can't. Heck I admire these guys for living the dream, I wish I had my own mini company so I could churn out robed cultists and riot cops and have people badmouth me on the intarwebs.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:...and have people badmouth me on the intarwebs.

One step at a time Kid K.

Warboss Narznok wrote:This prtotype looks pretty lame, terrible looking, if you people think this looks good then something must be wrong with you not to see. The finished celts by Wargames Factory look the same quality as this fig. Dont expect these figs to look any good. I am very disapointed. Of course WGF thinks low quality for a cheap price with alot of them. WHY NOT GOOD QUALITY FOR A CHEAP PRICE WITH ALOT????

Successful troll is successful! You must be a very skilled writer, grammar smith, sculptor, and war gaming tactician. I believe you may be a genius and there is an outside chance you may be more intelligent than Einstein.

I personally like these models. They are not the best in the world, but at the price, they look nothing like GW and produce a great opposition, traitor guard, or homebrew planet. I say for what they are they are great! I will speak with my wallet and buy some.