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ArbitorIan wrote:Does anyone else think they look a bit small compared to the size of that Slottabase?

I reckon cadian arms and heads are gonna look REALLY big on that body...

They are out of scale with everything GW has ever made and thus useless for 40k, yes.

Guys, it´s a prototype, we don´t know if the sculptor will keep the same proportions or make it a little bit bigger, different armor style, change the gun... can you at least wait until the figure is finished?

Agamemnon2 you have been against this project since almost the beginning, we already know that you dislike the figure since it was a mere CG design. Do you have something against WF or it´s simple negativity?

M.

Miguelsan wrote:Guys, it´s a prototype, we don´t know if the sculptor will keep the same proportions or make it a little bit bigger, different armor style, change the gun... can you at least wait until the figure is finished?

It'd be pretty useless as a prototype if it wasn't a fair representation of what the finished product will be like. Also, if people have problems with the design, this is exactly the time they should speak them out, while there's still the tiniest shred of a chance some of them might be rectified. Even better, where were these people six months ago when the project was still undergoing design work?

Miguelsan wrote:Agamemnon2 you have been against this project since almost the beginning, we already know that you dislike the figure since it was a mere CG design. Do you have something against WF or it´s simple negativity?

You must have me confused with some other Agamemnon2. I don't have any particular problems with this project itself, though I think it's foolish of WF to try to cater to the whims of a bunch of whinging 40k players so blatantly. Especially since the suitability of these figures as IG proxies has become the sole design criterion which will make or break this product.

Yup, prototype looks cool enough to use with GW parts, and the price is right, so now we need to see a size comparison on GW Cadiens. If the finished product will mesh up pretty well, I would buy.

Craptacular!

Like previous WF stuff I find this mediocre, really... even for a prototype of cheap minis... I pass.

Nurgleboy77 wrote:Craptacular!

NAVARRO wrote:Like previous WF stuff I find this mediocre, really... even for a prototype of cheap minis... I pass.

QFT. The heads are alright...but the "greatcoat" looks more like a skirt. You could do a better job using the legs from High Elf archers and a cadian torso.

Agamemnon2 wrote:You must have me confused with some other Agamemnon2. I don't have any particular problems with this project itself, though I think it's foolish of WF to try to cater to the whims of a bunch of whinging 40k players so blatantly. Especially since the suitability of these figures as IG proxies has become the sole design criterion which will make or break this product.

So catering to a ready-made market is catering to the "whims of a bunch of winging 40k players" is it? And basing the design of said product upon the desires of this ready-made market is somehow... bad?

Explain that to me.

Prototypes are that, so they can iron out the defects and in the case of WF unless GW to listen the feedback before going to the finished product.

Perhaps I´m confused by your comments in the other thread.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/231825.page
Quite a few were kind of disheartening from my POV but I might be wrong. My excuses if you truly didn´t mean to write them the way you did.

M.

Miguelsan wrote:Prototypes are that, so they can iron out the defects and in the case of WF unless GW to listen the feedback before going to the finished product.

M.

Yes thats the logic, the problem is when finished product looks as bad as this prototype.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:You must have me confused with some other Agamemnon2. I don't have any particular problems with this project itself, though I think it's foolish of WF to try to cater to the whims of a bunch of whinging 40k players so blatantly. Especially since the suitability of these figures as IG proxies has become the sole design criterion which will make or break this product.

So catering to a ready-made market is catering to the "whims of a bunch of winging 40k players" is it? And basing the design of said product upon the desires of this ready-made market is somehow... bad?

Explain that to me.

In this case it is bad, yes, because the people who most want "greatcoat guard", i.e. IG players, will not be satisfied with models of this quality or proportion. They wanted a cheaper alternative to Death Korps, or something to use existing IG parts with in conversions and this isn't it.

Scaled them so the base diameter is exactly the same. Looks like a decent match to me. The legs are a bit shorter.

lord_blackfang wrote:Scaled them so the base diameter is exactly the same. Looks like a decent match to me. The legs are a bit shorter.

That's very helpful. And it also demonstrates just how much better the FW models are - better detail, better sculpting and (perhaps most importantly) better designed - they're clearly based on WWI soldiers, but they combine the features of more than one army (essentially French and German), rather than being thinly disguised WWII Germans. Granted they're incredibly expensive, but you get what you pay for. GW's eventual plastic Guard will be cheaper than FW's (and less detailed) and more expensive than this prototype, but they'll be better. And thus worth paying more for.

Wow, the DKOK guy totally kicks ass by comparison. Not even close on quality.

The mini looks great but its a bit too late for me since I've already converted a bunch of greatcoat guard.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Wow, the DKOK guy totally kicks ass by comparison. Not even close on quality.

Or price, won't these guys be selling for a fraction of DKOK?

Cane wrote:The mini looks great but its a bit too late for me since I've already converted a bunch of greatcoat guard.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Wow, the DKOK guy totally kicks ass by comparison. Not even close on quality.

Or price, won't these guys be selling for a fraction of DKOK?

For a fraction of a price, you get a fraction of the awesomeness.

The choice is yours.

I don't think anybody expected to get FW quality models on a $5 plastic sprue in the first place.

But I have to admit that WF plastics aren't anywhere near the quality other small manufacturers produce. For example, Mantic Games is a brand new company and their very first sprue blows anything done by WF out of the water
http://corvusminiatures.blogspot.com/2009/08/preview-mantic-games-elves.html

whitedragon wrote:For a fraction of a price, you get a fraction of the awesomeness.

The choice is yours.

I totally agree here. And I very much appreciate the side-by-side comparison. I got pretty excited when Pig Iron came out with their Greatcoat Guardsmen until someone pointed out to me just how much more detailed the DKoK models were. Okay, these guys are plastic. That's great, but again, just like with Pig Iron's guys, they're nice, but not fantastic, but will be a much more reasonable price.

Honda makes a decent car, not as nice a Jaguar. But you're going to pay for it. I have some figs from WF for kit bashing I think the quality is good. If sales are good enough on the initial sprue for them to make heavy and special weapon sprues I think they will sell quite a bit.

It's pretty unreasonable to expect injection molded plastic to have the same level of detail as well done resin.

I like him. I'm broke at the moment, and don't need another horde anyway, but if I was doing Gaurd I'd consider it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Me =/= Not an idiot, Orlanth.

He's carrying a slightly altered paratrooper rifle FFS. He's a Space Nazi.

Why couldn't they be a little more inventive.

As opposed to GW and their WW1-based Leman Russ Tanks? The comparisons between the Guard and WW2 Era Soviet tactics? Catachans and Rambo? What's "inventive" in your eyes? Creating a super race that has absolutely no ties to the real-world past (or present)? Where else does most inspiration come from if not from past armies...?

Rico...

JohnHwangDD wrote:Wow, the DKOK guy totally kicks ass by comparison. Not even close on quality.

It's ah, not supposed to be. One is resin model costing about $65 for a squad of 10, the other is plastic (and *still* a prototype) going to cost like $12 for 10.

This thread demonstrates that sometimes people with no modeling/converting skill will crap on something rather then see the potential for creative expression.

I'd be curious to see a fully converted and kitted out IG model using it as a basis with GW bits, etc. and will pass on judging what amounts to a conversion component as far as its use w/ 40K is concerned until then.

Though it is fun to crap on someone Else's work to be sure.

Ahh Dakka... you can just feel the love...

Man, the whinging in this thread (at someone else rather then GW!). The model looks good for the price. The fact that he just looks like a moon nazi is laughable, what were you expecting DKOK, who IIRC are SS clone nazis..

Get off the fat that there space nazi, and rejoice for great coat guard oppurtunity.

Ah yes, the internet rule where you can't comment on something unless you've done it yourself.

Go fish.

CT GAMER wrote:This thread demonstrates that sometimes people with no modeling/converting skill will crap on something rather then see the potential for creative expression.

I'd be curious to see a fully converted and kitted out IG model using it as a basis with GW bits, etc. and will pass on judging what amounts to a conversion component as far as its use w/ 40K is concerned until then.

Though it is fun to crap on someone Else's work to be sure.

Ahh Dakka... you can just feel the love...

Was just about to say the same sort of thing myself. This thread is the sort of thing I expect to see on a fanboy site like Taco rather than Dakka. If you guys who are comparing the figure to FW and can afford a FW IG army fair enough but us mere mortals have to seek cheaper alternatives. Anyway, if your using them in a horde style IG army are tiny details going to needed or even be noticed?

Mick

I like the figure shown. Granted the figure seems to have dusty primer on it.

It looks like it would work equally well with 40k or any Weird War 2 game.

Artizan has some that look similar, but chunkier.

CT GAMER wrote:This thread demonstrates that sometimes people with no modeling/converting skill will crap on something rather then see the potential for creative expression.

I'd be curious to see a fully converted and kitted out IG model using it as a basis with GW bits, etc. and will pass on judging what amounts to a conversion component as far as its use w/ 40K is concerned until then.

Though it is fun to crap on someone Else's work to be sure.

Ahh Dakka... you can just feel the love...

Its called having a opinion about something... but if you want to act like the primadona uber skilled person who can see the true beauty on a turd then be my guest

And now Im going to be a ass.... I would not trade my skills for yours yet I judge what I see according to my tastes... see? has nothing to do with skills or artistic nonsense but rather your preception on something.

Its not a question of having fun to crap on someone elses work... Thats maybe just your kind of artistic behaviour... to crap on everyone elses legit opinions about something that will be put on sale for all to buy.

Mick A wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:This thread demonstrates that sometimes people with no modeling/converting skill will crap on something rather then see the potential for creative expression.

I'd be curious to see a fully converted and kitted out IG model using it as a basis with GW bits, etc. and will pass on judging what amounts to a conversion component as far as its use w/ 40K is concerned until then.

Though it is fun to crap on someone Else's work to be sure.

Ahh Dakka... you can just feel the love...

Was just about to say the same sort of thing myself. This thread is the sort of thing I expect to see on a fanboy site like Taco rather than Dakka. If you guys who are comparing the figure to FW and can afford a FW IG army fair enough but us mere mortals have to seek cheaper alternatives. Anyway, if your using them in a horde style IG army are tiny details going to needed or even be noticed?

Mick

I dont get this... If something is mediocre I should nail if its GW and hail if its nonGW? At the risk o being labeled fanboy? Jezzz you guys need to change medications fast! If its a subpar product I dont care who did it, i will just nail it. Thats why I try to promote MERCS and INFINITY as great products...as much as I do it with SOME gw stuff.
Lacks Tiny details?... rofl like 28mm of them

Mick A wrote:If you guys who are comparing the figure to FW and can afford a FW IG army fair enough but us mere mortals have to seek cheaper alternatives. Anyway, if your using them in a horde style IG army are tiny details going to needed or even be noticed?

I think Mick is right. It's an opportunity for gamers with a smaller wallet, for converters or for guys that are looking for some "meat" for the trooper ranks of their FW/GW army. I think the work should be judged according to that frame.