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Why does everyone keep saying TH/SS termies are screwed? They are I4......Just strike at I1 in cc.

I don't know, Extenz. I just don't know.

As for the line, it should be a line of the smallest caliber. Otherwise, they'd have to produce a template to cover the 24"x2" 'line'. I figure that most will just use their measuring tape's edge for the line. I will likely be bringing a 24" piece of string.

I think that this will only come up frequently with players that don't know what the power does before the game starts. All others will be taking the Rune Priest off the table before it becomes an issue.

A line is a 2 dimensional vector between 2 points.

there is no width.

I am going to have a 24" length of string for just this purpose.

2nd post go!!!

The thing I find funny is that there are , in my opinion, far more effective powers then the "Line" Stuff that can seriously hurt/kill squads.

It wouldn't be the traditional hysteria if the psychic power was actually what it was feared to be...

I'm just going to do what I did in Fantasy when a magic attack was a straight line, take your measuringand turn it on its side and hold the end with your other hand. theres a slight curve but shouldn't bring up any issues really.

Nurglitch wrote:Then the psychic shooting attack rule against shooting into close combat comes into play and the players get on with the game. I'd imagine if a 24" line cannot be drawn without intersecting a close combat, then the power cannot be used.

The problem I see is that the typical mechanics for shooting are being ignored...namely in selecting a target.

"As a psychic shooting attack, the Rune Priest may trace a straight line along the board, starting from the Rune Priest and ending 24" away. This line may pass through terrain. Monstrous creatures, beasts, cavalry, bikes and infantry models that are touched by this line must take an Initiative test (see Characteristic Tests in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook). If the model fails the test, it is removed from play. Monstrous creatures may subtract one from their dice roll due to their tremendous size and strength, though remember that the roll of a 6 is always a failure."

No where does it say I select a target (reminds me of 3rd edition spore mines). It simply states draw a line from the rune priest to any spot 24" away. I don't even have to hit any models if I don't want to.

The shooting rules specify that I can only target enemy units and I cannot target enemy units in CC. These rules affect only target aquisition for shooting attacks. However, JOTWW doesn't seam to require a target .

While JOTWW doesn't require a target, there are the units which are immune. Also, since I've bee told it is a shooting psychic attack, it can't be used against models in CC.

I suppose, if you really wanted to, you could tempt a Perils of the Warp check and draw the line at nothing; it just seems a bit too counter productive.

I am still very confused about this rule, its a shooting attack that does not target anything so what am I shooting at? I dont play SW I play Chaos but my son does he is 11 and explaining how this works is not clear at all, no matter how many times I read the codex (which I have a copy of). Again because this rule effects ALL MODELS (caps lock cruse control for the awsome!) if it did not state that I would also agree that this can not be "Shot", "Directed", "What ever" in to CC.

Going off of the rules as reiterated on the forum, not having the book anywhere near me for verification's sake, it doesn't effect vehicles or jump infantry. Since it is described as a shooting attack, I would gather that it cannot be used upon models in CC.

Consider it to be like a flamer attack for 'targeting'.

Shep wrote:

Horst wrote:it has a 33% chance of killing all ork and necron HQ's...

it has a 33% chance of killing a nightbringer.

its just stupid.

A tie on a stat test is a pass. Necron Lords and nob+ orks have I3. Thats 50%

What about some Eldar w/ I7? Do they automatically Pass?

The best you can do on a characteristic test is 6, so an I7 Eldar character would still buy it on a roll of 6, if not equipped with Swooping Hawk Wings or a Jetbike.

Although, one would wonder why they don't just treat it like BS6+.

Cause...they don't want it to get complicated...
You know those charts for BS, no body uses those anymore, people would be confused if we had to refer back to them for BS6+

But BS10 would be awesome. Like when Counter Strike first came out. Take the AK-47, aiming for the crotch, going full auto and getting a headshot...

I thought it was rather simple:

BS5 = 2+
BS6 = 2+/6+ re-roll
BS7 = 2+/5+ re-roll
etc.

Plus kind of beautiful on Phoenix Lords like Fuegan, Maugan Ra, and Asurmen.

Pheon-wut?
Who uses those?
The last Pheonix Lord I saw was one with Sustained Assault.......now THAT was scary. THAT was a Pheonix Lord.

I use Maugan Ra all the time. He's quite good at blowing up most race's transports at range.

IMO, having the "removed from play" thing in anything other than a big-arse Apocalypse game is stupid. you could knock a charechter like Abbadon out in a simgle play, which is stupid. This had better be fixed in the new codex.

Eh, well the codex is finalized and printed already. It's been distributed to many game stores, but is awaiting its final distribution for sale. It's not going to be "fixed."

It doesn't need to be fixed.

Abaddon needs a 6 to fail. Rolling a 6 on Gift of Chaos would do the exact same thing, this is just less avoidable.

It still has weaknesses versus mechanized opponents.

Yup, it's not game-breaking at all, especially with the prevalence of mech as Spellbound pointed out. IC's usually have high Initiatives anyway, so it's not much of a problem.

@Spellbound:
I guess the issue we Gift of Chaos users have with it, is that is has 4 times the range, and is NOT used at the worst possible time (before movement).

So it not only has longer range, it has a longer reach coupled with movement.
Oh...and it's 'free'.

Well, you chaos players just have to be satisfied with expensive psykers who are marginally better in CC, have no psychic defense, and have to pay for your psychic powers. Suck it up! [/sarcasm]

YEA! why don't you take GW's advice and go make up your own rules.

Cause then all the other cry babies are like: "youz just TFG/WAAC player using new overpowered rulz".

Not everyone will be satisfied...and GW is a profit organization, of course there is codex creep...making you buy those minis.

Sanctjud wrote:@Spellbound:
I guess the issue we Gift of Chaos users have with it, is that is has 4 times the range, and is NOT used at the worst possible time (before movement).

So it not only has longer range, it has a longer reach coupled with movement.
Oh...and it's 'free'.

What is free about it?

Both Chaos Sorc and Rune Priests cost the same base.
Chas Sorce has to pay for Gift of Chaos.
Rune Priest...simply chooses it if I am not mistaken.

So...pay vs. not paying.
When one doesn't pay anything for something that's free...right?
Or does 0 points = not free?

Sanctjud wrote:Both Chaos Sorc and Rune Priests cost the same base.
Chas Sorce has to pay for Gift of Chaos.
Rune Priest...simply chooses it if I am not mistaken.

So...pay vs. not paying.
When one doesn't pay anything for something that's free...right?
Or does 0 points = not free?

You also get
+1 BS
+1 W
+1 I
+1 A
5+ Invurable Save

There's little use for all those stats if you have a 24" sniper power is there?

So what of stats, Rune Priests only cost half a HQ slot, have a variety of highly useful powers that augment the durability of the SW army to providing multiple platforms of pychic defense.

They are different, true.
If I see it from that perspective... the Sorc lord is in fact...paying for his stats when he gets a power.

While the wolf priest suffers stat loses but gains 2 powers for his troubles.

/shrug, at the end of the day the Sorc Lord is paying for Gift, which is inferior.
While Rune Priests get their superior sniper power for nothing except the base cost.

But it also ignores that DP/Sorcs don't buy gift anyway... When do people not get Lash or Warptime? :-/ Should SWs complain that they don't get Oblits? Chaos that they don't get speeders? Different lists and all. And Chaos is still one of the strongest books out there (albeit very mono-dimensional).

As to the rules discussion, I assume placing the line over models in combat would be the equivalent to what happens when a template covers models in combat (from scatter, etc.).