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I am not sure I would say that. I have my share of disagreements with him, as the record easily shows if you're of a mind to look for it.

He asked me if he could promote the Open on his site, and I am not one to turn down largess.

Also, keep in mind that I am not taking advice from him, any more than I am taking advice from you, or Mannahnin, or my buddies. Stelek has a podium, but everyone's input is equivalent in my own book.



I'd appreciate that being kept in mind. The Open doesn't have any "advisors" that we are utilizing to help mold our tournament or design our missions, beyond the input from the wider community.

Strange thread shenanigans.

Like I said I think it's good that you will listen to what Stelek has to offer in terms of advice. You are certainly open minded and I think that is a good thing for the NOVA Open. : )

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Black Blow Fly wrote:Like I said I think it's good that you will listen to what Stelek has to offer in terms of advice. You are certainly open minded and I think that is a good thing for the NOVA Open. : )

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If only we could get you to do the same with Bolter Beach in terms of all the advice you've been given.

Did you read my response? I think each indy gt run this year so far has shown that they are shaped in a large part based upon the local gaming culture. We have actually made quite a few modifications based upon the feedback so far received. Some things are easier to change than others. Basically your advice was to simply parrot what Jon said and I have given a detailed response. Feel free to go back and read that if you happen to have time.

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Black Blow Fly wrote:Did you read my response? I think each indy gt run this year so far has shown that they are shaped in a large part based upon the local gaming culture. We have actually made quite a few modifications based upon the feedback so far received. Some things are easier to change than others. Basically your advice was to simply parrot what Jon said and I have given a detailed response. Feel free to go back and read that if you happen to have time.

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You know...if you could remove the one mandatory snarky thing that you say in almost every post you make, people wouldn't think you're such a jerk. Example: What you wrote here was ok until you felt the need to toss in that my posting is just parroting something someone else wrote. Maybe you think that people are too dense to see your not-so-cleverly hidden barbs, but you really should stop. You're honestly the only individual I've ever met who can both universally offend everyone to the point where the mention of your name in any Dakka discussion results in rude comments....and at the same time still be tolerated because you delicately walk the razor's edge on saying something worth getting yourself banned for being a turd.

You'll probably say something snarky and insert another half-veiled barb here - and dismiss this as angry ranting, but it positively isn't. You have valuable input for the community - you just need to learn to speak without insulting people in every other sentence.

Dashofpepper wrote:

Black Blow Fly wrote:Did you read my response? I think each indy gt run this year so far has shown that they are shaped in a large part based upon the local gaming culture. We have actually made quite a few modifications based upon the feedback so far received. Some things are easier to change than others. Basically your advice was to simply parrot what Jon said and I have given a detailed response. Feel free to go back and read that if you happen to have time.

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You know...if you could remove the one mandatory snarky thing that you say in almost every post you make, people wouldn't think you're such a jerk. Example: What you wrote here was ok until you felt the need to toss in that my posting is just parroting something someone else wrote. Maybe you think that people are too dense to see your not-so-cleverly hidden barbs, but you really should stop. You're honestly the only individual I've ever met who can both universally offend everyone to the point where the mention of your name in any Dakka discussion results in rude comments....and at the same time still be tolerated because you delicately walk the razor's edge on saying something worth getting yourself banned for being a turd.

You'll probably say something snarky and insert another half-veiled barb here - and dismiss this as angry ranting, but it positively isn't. You have valuable input for the community - you just need to learn to speak without insulting people in every other sentence.

I don't see anything wrong with his post. Could be you are overly sensitive or have a greater sense of inferiority.

I agree. Self important people tend to get defensive quickly.

Davicus, hard to put much stock in what you say - you generate as many mod alerts as anyone I've ever seen on Dakka.

Dashofpepper wrote:Davicus, hard to put much stock in what you say - you generate as many mod alerts as anyone I've ever seen on Dakka.

Well, it looks like I m not the only one who thinks that way And I don't see how my record has anything to do with my ability to interpret Black Blow Fly? I think you are the one who has a problem here :-) And I m pretty sure I ve generated less Mod alerts than you.

Davicus wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:Davicus, hard to put much stock in what you say - you generate as many mod alerts as anyone I've ever seen on Dakka.

Well, it looks like I m not the only one who thinks that way And I don't see how my record has anything to do with my ability to interpret Black Blow Fly? I think you are the one who has a problem here :-) And I m pretty sure I ve generated less Mod alerts than you.

*yawn*

If you wish to continue the pettiness crusade, take it to private chat with me - no need for you to pollute a thread about a GT that you're not attending.

Yeah tat's right, I was about yo yawn.
Isnt the forum a place for people to express their opinion? Expressing my opinion that you are being a jerk and being overly sensitive to certain comments isnt a pollution at all.
But if you are just being an obstinate troll and think everyone else is wrong and you are right, I can understand.

I can now see why you are a DCM. Contributing "noise" to the forum sure qualifies you for DCM.

In other news, prize support due to increasing sponsorship has pushed our prize "totals" counting swag bags past the 4.5k/5k marks.

Modquisition on:

Panama, Davicus, and Dash stop the fighting in this thread or your accounts will be reviewed for trolling.
Posts after this public warning that continue this spat will be considered trolling.

Fantasy Players Update if I haven't made it here yet ...

We'll be digesting rapidly, and utilizing, 8th edition rules.

We'll be relaxing painting and wysiwyg requirements to a reasonable degree to accommodate this.

Also, any Fantasy player who registers PRIOR to preview copies hitting the shelves is welcome to a full refund if it turns out they can't adjust in time.

Plus, to bump the whacky argument and moderation out of the way - prize totals have closed in on $5k with swag bags and sponsorships, and probably growing ... sign up and get a piece for yourselves ... most of it will go to everyone, not just the smaller # of people who "win" trophies.



For those following Whiskey & 40k tourney chat, and tournament development, there will be two 8 on the 8th's going on (our nationwide open primer tourney day), including one participated in by Stelek of YTTH (in)famy (no opinion here on him, just a fact I know might interest some). Data tracking them will be up on http://whiskey40k.com and I'll cross link it here, for those who'd like to see how the primer missions worked "in action" and any changes/adjustments made.


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Please let me know if you are intending on staying at the Holiday Inn on-site. If enough people do, I may be able to reduce the rates you actually pay on arrival (though it's at a relatively affordable level right off the bat).

MVBrandt wrote:prize totals have closed in on $5k with swag bags and sponsorships, and probably growing ... sign up and get a piece for yourselves ... most of it will go to everyone, not just the smaller # of people who "win" trophies.

Wow; that's quite impressive. Looks like it'll be a great tournament. Pity it's in a malarial swamp in the middle of August, some 3000 miles away; as-is, I don't think I can fit it into the schedule this year.

Good luck, and I'm looking forward to the tournament reports after the fact!

Careful what you say, that's the malarial swamp I was born and raised in!



It's not actually that bad either; last year we ran a 32-person OUTDOOR tournament for charity in August ... no collapses

Yes, I had a wonderful time at the outdoor tourney... it was a unique and fun experience . My wife even played some baseball with people in the park nearby at one point!

And having it in the daytime in summer means the mosquitos don't really come out until after you're done

If anyone who trolls Dakka is attending / planning on attending and is an officer in or a part of a gaming club, let me know via PM.


Glad you had fun at the Outdoor Tournament last year, man! I think that in the future we'll probably add an outdoor component to a larger multi-day convention style format, presuming things continue on the up and up ... so the outdoor tourney WILL eventually return

MVBrandt wrote: Careful what you say, that's the malarial swamp I was born and raised in !

That explains a lot.......

MVBrandt wrote:If anyone who trolls Dakka is attending / planning on attending and is an officer in or a part of a gaming club, let me know via PM.

I think you're already hooked into the IFL well enough. I know there are a few of us attending

Where there aer swamps there are gators. Well at least down south anyways & they love to aet fat trolles.

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Gators are an animal I actually enjoyed working with. These days, you a Floridian should know, you find 'em plenty of places besides just swamps!

You comin' up to the Open, Fly?

I am hoping to for sure! Will know next week.

: )

For those who would like to keep track of mission development, first round overviews, final results, and first round pics from our 8 on the 8th stress test are up at http://whiskey40k.com

i can wait Mike Kevin and I are talking i'll see him tommorow.

Your not gonna get an accurate representation of how the scenarios affect different armies if you test w/ 6/8 marine lists and 4 of those being BA's . It's still a good start but I hope elsewhere someone ran it that had something other than BA's in it.

I couldn't agree more haha! There've actually been people playtesting the scenarios worldwide, both in "8 on 8th" tournament set-ups, and in one-off matches with people, plus we do a lot of proxytesting with a wide variety of builds.

If there are any particular lists you want run through the ringer, also, but don't have the time / ability to line up opponents yourself for it, let me know and I'll plug it through a proxygame (or, an "actual model" game, as we have a lot).

Thanks for the continued input, Hulk ... and yeah, we had a lot of MEQ

Well - if Dark Eldar make it out before August, I'll be playing them. I'm hoping they just trounce all over MEQ.

Else it will probably be Empire in Fantasy... Or I'll rock my wolves, who knows really.

I am actually going to be on the east Coast during this event and was looking to attend. I agree with Blackmoor and Hulksmash that the elimination of KP's makes 5-man BA squads in Razorbacks jump for joy. This really skews the flavor of the army lists. I see it has alread happened with the preponderence of small troop squads in transports from all the SW and BA players at the 8-man event. If that's the scene you want to promote, then by all means go for it. But the overall competiveness of the event will suffer, IMO, as the core rules are changed to favor certain 'net lists' who have never been able to win large events in the past.

Interestingly, the winner of the event was running an 8-man sternguard squad on foot w/ a lot of combi-meltas, a 10-man jump pack assault squad, and only a handful of the 5-man squads in rhinos (not razorbacks). His kill point total was lower than a number of lists that have won recent major GT's.

That said, we haven't ruled out kill points ... simply utilized VP as the "seek and destroy" mission type for the primer ... wouldn't do us a lot of fair good to be utilizing the "final" format this far in advance, for those with more time to gain an unfair experience advantage with the *actual* missions. Those will not be released until much, MUCH closer to the day of the actual event.

DD - thanks for the input, and I hope you'll offer more if any more crosses your mind. Let me know if I can help you regarding planning / attending the Open, especially if you're still planning on attending.


- Mike

PS - as an aside and in practice, 5-man BA squads in Razorbacks perform much more poorly than the rhino variants, but this isn't really a tactics thread. Consider the value in practice (in today's current mech-heavy environment) of a razorback with two meltaguns vs. a razorback with a heavy flamer. In the razorback scenario, if the BA want to pop a vehicle, they have to get out and expose themselves ... which is a far riskier maneuver than staying in their rhino, hatch double tapping infernus+melta or 2xmelta, and forcing the opponent to pry them out of their vehicle in return. If only they were like immos, with a fire point!