I am beginning to think that Imperial guard are getting more hordy and worse, what do you think?

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**VictorVonTzeentch**

Army or Marines, both branches have different sizes. Going off the Army they generally have 40 or so men, but it could vary depending on total unit strength and the roles of the unit.

For something the size of the Imperial Guard, some Regiments having 50 man Platoons plus support doesn't strike me as being too far fetched.

**FoxPhoenix135**

Army, 11-Cs.

Case being, however, that the IG IS NOT meant to represent a modern army. It is a purely stylistic approach to a mass army of humanity.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Oh I know, Im just saying, that its not too unfeasible to have a 50 man platoon.

**metallifan**

And that's if they -Have- Platoons.

Remember, you've still got Feral guardsmen fighting with axes and bows because they don't trust their Lasweapons

**VictorVonTzeentch**

lol too true.

**FoxPhoenix135**

Ha lol metallifan, now I'm going to have to model some guardsman huckin' rocks

**Raxmei**

I've been in a 90-man platoon before. It was a training formation and acknowledged to be unmanageably large, but it did exist.

The Imperium of Man from a design perspective is meant to be somewhat dysfunctional and wildly inconsistent. Things that would be mind-bogglingly insane from a modern perspective could be entirely in character for the Imperium. If you want to field stupidly huge platoons that in real life or on the tabletop would be excessively wasteful of life you can do that. If you want to run an efficiently run army you can do that too.

**dark6spectre**

doubled wrote:The only change they made with the new codex that I did not like right away was the removal of Gaunt's Ghosts. I loved the books and made a tanth light inf with the previous codex, much harder to do with the new one.

WHAT! no! how could they?

RustyKnight wrote:OP; is there any chance you could give us your dream 4th edition Imperial Guard list?

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dark6spectre wrote:B company (my force. i doubt i will ever get over 1 company by the way prices are and the time i have)

Company HQ
Senior Officer
Medic
Plasma Gun
Vox
Colour sergeant (ex- bearer, now veteran gaurdsman)
(possibly a priest)

Company HQ Platoon
3 Sentinels
3 Mortar Teams
3 Heavy Bolter teams
1 Sniper squad
3 missile launcher teams

1st Platoon
HQ: junior officer with power fist and laspistol (the old metal officers); medic; sniper; grenade launcher; vox
1st Squad: 1 sergeant + 9 guardsmen: 1 flamer
2nd Squad: || ||
3rd Squad: || 1 grenade launcher, 1 heavy bolter/autocannon

2nd Platoon
Same as 1st Platoon, just CO has a chainsword and bolt pistol

3rd Platoon
1st Squad: 1 sergeant + 9 guardsmen: 1 grenade launcher
2nd Squad: || 1 grenade launcher 1 heavy bolter/ autocannon
3rd Squad: || 1 grenade launcher 1 heavy bolter/autocannon

" support Platoon"
just for organisation purposes
3 Leman Russ Tanks
1 Kasrkin Armoured Fist squad
1 Imperial Guard Exchange Programme (IGEP) Elysian drop squad
1 Basilisk ( not meant to be in the company but could be used for gameplay purposes)

This is the hypothetical dream list I found over in Army Lists. Here it is with the fifth edition IG codex:

Company Command Squad- Medi-pack, Regimental Standard, Plasma Gun, Vox-Caster- 115
Platoon Command Squad- Powerfist, Medi-pack, Grenade Launcher-80
Infantry Squad- Flamer, Vox-Caster-60
Infantry Squad- Flamer-55
Infantry Squad- Grenade Launcher, Autocannon- 65
Heavy Weapon Squad- Mortars- 60
Platoon Command Squad- Medi-pack, Grenade Launcher-65
Infantry Squad- Flamer, Vox-Caster-60
Infantry Squad- Flamer-55
Infantry Squad- Grenade Launcher, Autocannon- 65
Heavy Weapon Squad- Missile Launcher- 75
Platoon Command Squad- Medi-pack, Grenade Launcher-65
Infantry Squad- Grenade Launcher, Vox-Caster-60
Infantry Squad- Grenade Launcher, Autocannon- 65
Infantry Squad- Grenade Launcher, Autocannon- 65
Heavy Weapon Squad- Heavy Bolters- 75
Special Weapon Squad- Snipers (3)- 50
Veterans- Chimera, Melta (3), Grenadiers- 185
Scout Sentinel (3)- 105
Leman Russ Battle Tanks (3)- 450
Basilisk- 125
Total- 2000

Voici! I created your entire list (excluding of course the IGEP, but you could easily add Valks to replicate and a few changes to make it fit into 2000 points).

cheers man.

anyway in British army there are like 28 man platoons. i think just over time its either diff armies found better ways to organise their men, or just if more guys got killed there were still many left (e.g in the pacific US marines had like 60 man platoons because most would die or be wounded)

ok i sort of get it everyone has given an opinion- or an insult- to me and i understand now. i will sort of leave it for you guys to continue shouting profanity at what i have said, post more pictures of flaming stuff, or just argue with each other

**Lycaeus Wrex**

dark6spectre wrote:anyway in British army there are like 28 man platoons.

Wrong. Platoons in the British Army consist of 40men, and one Lieutenant who leads them.

L. Wrex

**dark6spectre**

since when? it has normally been 28 men. 3 squads of 8 and the command group or whatever it is caled. the C0, his radio operator, a guy with a signal mortar and his 2IC

**FoxPhoenix135**

Have you been in the military, dark6spectre?

**Lycaeus Wrex**

dark6spectre wrote:since when? it has normally been 28 men. 3 squads of 8 and the command group or whatever it is caled. the C0, his radio operator, a guy with a signal mortar and his 2IC

Since as long as I can remember, and I'm a potential Lieutenant n the British Army so it'd look pretty bad if I got that wrong

.

L. Wrex

**dark6spectre**

XD ok. is it armoured infantry or light?

**FoxPhoenix135**

Why do you ignore my posts huh? censorship much?

**dark6spectre**

sorry didnt see it. no i aint, but i am just interested in the military. so i read books about it and stuff.

**metallifan**

dark6spectre wrote:sorry didnt see it. no i aint, but i am just interested in the military. so i read books about it and stuff.

Advice: Leave military knowledge to folks that serve or served.

Books won't learn you much good about nothing.

**FoxPhoenix135**

Too true, metallifan. +1.

**Fafnir**

I think OP is just looking for something to complain about. First they're too hordey with platoons, and then not hordey enough with vets.

There are a LOT of things GW has done that you could bitch about, but the IG codex is simply well written and composed, no two ways about it. Definetly one of their finer attempts in years.

**Tharbickmonoploid**

Read through the thread, just thought I'd put in my two cents.

You know what really sucks about the 5th ed IG codex. There's way too many options to make a killer list!!!

I've been trying settle on a 2K list for the last three months so I can finish painting. Every time I review the codex another great idea appears. What a horrible problem to have...

**freddieyu1**

Tharbickmonoploid wrote:Read through the thread, just thought I'd put in my two cents.

You know what really sucks about the 5th ed IG codex. There's way too many options to make a killer list!!!

I've been trying settle on a 2K list for the last three months so I can finish painting. Every time I review the codex another great idea appears. What a horrible problem to have...

Damn right..it's been how long now since the IG dex has been released? And still there are choices and builds that I haven't tried yet....meaning I'm still enjoying the wonderful codex that is 5th ed IG....

The 4th ed dex WAS fun, but it's gone now. Useless to dwell on the past.

**brettz123**

Wow.... this is officially the funniest thread of all time. You have to love a good whine about being able to field a horde if you want to..... I mean I can't believe you might actually be able to build different styles of army from one codex. Ohhhhh the humanity!!!!!!

**Grey Knight Luke**

I swear to God, if every codex from here on out does not limit the choices in the codex to the the number of choices in the DH codex, I'm just gonna go throw a fit.

Seriously, I want IG to be REALISTIC!!! Cmon their guns shoot lasers like the real army right?? And aren't there crazy commissar types in the real military that kill their own men? and what about psykers? Haven't you seen "the men who stare at goats?" And we all know that planes that look like valkaries can hover in mid air.

**Crazy_Carnifex**

Grey Knight Luke wrote:And we all know that planes that look like valkaries can Fly.

Fixed.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Actually the Valk could probably fly, maybe not well but it could fly.