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dark6spectre wrote:actually i would have started flames of war had the model infantry look so gay. its uber-size heads. if it was 40k scale i would definetely be already playing it

Heh, I stopped playing because the FoW battlefield didn't look as cool as the 40K battlefield. The way I see it, it'd be great if there was a minis game with a focus on more realism than 40k that looked as good as 40k but there isn't. But if we play 40k you have to take it on the terms of what it is and what it sets out to do, and complaining that the IG aren't forced into a modern military org chart is definitely not taking 40k for what it is.

Wow. I just started playing a few months ago and this thread makes me laugh. I picked up IG because I like armor, I like the fluff, and I liked the idea of rolling dice by the fistful. I have found them to be incredibly destructive when in the right situations, and tear-jerkingly pathetic when in the wrong ones. Hm, just like the fluff.

Yes, the platoons are the size of present-day companies. Yes, this is because guard operates on a 3-5 to 1 handicap against almost everyone else. Yes, the tanks look like something out of WW1 and the tactics vary between trench warfare and modern squad combat. So what?

The point of the existing codex is to make IG flexible. And allow you to field armies of 200+ models within the rules.




Aside: Anyone who thinks that IG should be like 'Nids or SM or even MEQ needs to be examined. With a cluebat. Guard has never stood a chance against SM or 'Nids, all they do is kill as many as they can before they die. (Nice sarcasm Rube, but apparently its been taken as truth)

meaning there should be 2 completely seperate codex. i.e:

Hordes of the Imperial Guard


Imperial Guard who have more than one brain cell and realise that forming ranks of 3 on an open plain against an advancing swarm is stupid. these guys should have better stats as humans arnt actually that bad as it seems

But you can do all of that in one Codex
Hord
-1 Lord Comisar and multible Infatry Plattons with Conscrips and Kchekov

Modern Infanty Platton
-CCS Loded with Plasma and Charapace [Special Forces]
-2x Stormtroopers [Speical Forces]
-4x Veteran Squads in Chimerias [Bradlies/Strikers]
-3x Valkieries [UH-60 Blackhawks]
-3x Valkeries with LC upgreades [AH-64 Apachies]
-3x Vendetas [A-10 Thunderbolts]
-3x Russes [M1A2 Abrams]
-3x Basalisk [M109 Paldins]

You really like focusing on the allowing of hordy-type armies witht he new codex. Heres a though, just ignore it. You can make a fast-combat, squad-based army easily within the rules, and if you play well even do very well with it.

Why does it matter if it allows WW1 tactics and force structure? They both feature often in the books. Go read Rebel Winter and 15 Hours.

already have both are fine because its obvious they would be entrenched, trenches are fine. i mean more 19th century warfare. read the epilogue of gunheads with commssar yarrick. CRINGE!

I've failed to read, anywhere in the Guard Dex', an entry that says "Platoons MUST have 5 10-man Squads"

If it's a fluffbuild you want, then you could break down those 5 into smaller platoons, and just field

a) More platoons with less men in each

b) A larger variety of units to compensate for smaller platoon sizes.

Either way, you have solutions that you can use. If you'd rather sit and complain, then you're playing the wrong army, and possibly the wrong game.

And you're worried about 19th Cen. tactics when there are Cathedrals flying through Space and superhuman warriors with fully auto rocket launchers?

This guy is just trolling to up his post count. He can't POSSIBLY be this stupid.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:This guy is just trolling to up his post count. He can't POSSIBLY be this stupid.

Oh trust me, there've been folks. It's possible, but judging by his circular logic, I'm going to say you're right

Well, he outright ignores posts and keeps spouting the same filth. He doesn't want to admit that the IG are NOTHING like the real army. Seriously, I wish he would join up so he could see what a moron he has been to compare the two.

I normaly run what I call a Hybrid List
The Infantry Platoon sets up in a Gun Line with one my Veterans Either Strong Left or Right and my Rough Riders on the Other. I have Creed “Tactical Genius” One of my other Veterans [Usually Harker]. I Gun Line until I get my Reserves and Either Mech the Vet or the run out the RR to support them. The other goes mobile next. I also Mix it up with Marbo, or Airdropped Storm Troopers and soon I hope some Valks. This is a very mobile Army if I need it to be with up to 6 “Move, Move, Move!” Orders.

LAPD

Company Command Squad (Close Combat Weapon x3; Lasgun x1; Carapace Armour; Medi-pack; Vox Caster; Laspistol x1; Sniper Rifle x1, Chimera)
-1 Lord Castellan Creed (Carapace Armour; Refractor Field; Hot-shot Laspistols x2; Supreme Commander; Tactical Genius)
-1 Colour Sergeant Kell (Carapace Armour; Laspistol; Power Fist; Power Weapon; Regimental Standard; Listen up Maggots!; Sworn Protector)
-1 Nork Deddog (Carapace Armour; Ripper Gun; Feel No Pain; Furious Charge; Heroic Sacrifice; Loyal to the End; Stubborn)
-1 Astropath (Close Combat Weapon; Laspistol; Carapace Armour; Telepathic Relay)
-1 Master of Ordnance (Close Combat Weapon; Laspistol; Carapace Armour; Artillery Bombardment)
-1 Officer of the Fleet (Close Combat Weapon; Laspistol; Carapace Armour; Intercept Reserves)
-1 Chimera Heavy Bolter; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Turret Autocannon; Camo Netting; Extra Armor; Pintle Heavy Stubber)

Veteran Squad (Carapace Armour; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x9; Vox Caster; Shotgun x6; Grenade Launcher x3; Chimera; Grenadiers)
-1 Sergeant Bastonne (Carapace Armour; Hot-shot Laspistol; Krak Grenades; Power Sword; Carapace Armour; It's Up to Us, Lads; Never Give Up, Never Surrender!)
-1 Chimera ((IA1, pg. 128); Heavy Bolter; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Turret Autocannon; Extra Armor; Pintle Heavy Stubber)

Veteran Squad (Flak Armour; Krak Grenades; Close Combat Weapon x9; Vox Caster; Shotgun x6; Grenade Launcher x3; Gunnery Sergeant Harker; Chimera)
-1 Gunnery Sergeant Harker ('Payback' (Heavy Bolter); Close Combat Weapon; Flak Armour; Krak Grenades; Catachan Devils; Feel No Pain; Relentless)
-1 Chimera ((IA1, pg. 128); Heavy Bolter; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Turret Autocannon; Extra Armor; Pintle Heavy Stubber)

Infantry Platoon
Platoon Command Squad (Flak Armour; Close Combat Weapon x2; Lasgun x1; Medi-pack; Vox Caster; Laspistol x1; Heavy Weapons Team; Commissar)
-1 Heavy Weapons Team (Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1; Lascannon)
-1 Commissar (Flak Armour; Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon; Stubborn)
-1 Platoon Commander (Flak Armour; Laspistol; Power Weapon; Junior Officer)

Infantry Squad (Close Combat Weapon x7; Flak Armour; Lasgun x6; Vox Caster; Sniper Rifle; Heavy Weapons Team; Commissar)
-1 Heavy Weapons Team (Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1; Mortar x1)
-1 Commissar (Flak Armour; Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon; Stubborn)
-1 Sergeant (Flak Armour; Laspistol; Power Weapon)

Infantry Squad (Close Combat Weapon x7; Flak Armour; Lasgun x6; Vox Caster; Sniper Rifle; Heavy Weapons Team; Commissar)
-1 Heavy Weapons Team (Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1; Mortar x1)
-1 Commissar (Flak Armour; Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon; Stubborn)
-1 Sergeant (Flak Armour; Power Weapon)

Infantry Squad (Close Combat Weapon x7; Flak Armour; Lasgun x6; Vox Caster; Sniper Rifle; Heavy Weapons Team; Commissar)
-1 Heavy Weapons Team (Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1; Mortar x1)
-1 Commissar (Flak Armour; Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon; Stubborn)
-1 Sergeant (Flak Armour; Laspistol; Power Weapon)

Infantry Squad (Close Combat Weapon x7; Flak Armour; Lasgun x6; Plasmagun x1; Heavy Weapons Team; Commissar)
-1 Heavy Weapons Team (Close Combat Weapon x1; Flak Armour; Lasgun x1; Autocannon)
-1 Commissar (Flak Armour; Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon; Stubborn)
-1 Sergeant (Flak Armour; Laspistol; Power Weapon)

-Heavy Weapons Squad (Close Combat Weapon x3; Flak Armour; Lasgun x3; Heavy Bolter x1; Lascannon x2)

-Special Weapons Squad (Close Combat Weapon x6; Flak Armour; Lasgun x3; Meltagun x3)

-Rough Rider Squad @ 125 pts (Flak Armour; Krak Grenades; Hunting Lance x7; Laspistol x9; Meltagun x2)
-1 Rough Rider Sergeant (Flak Armour; Krak Grenades; Hunting Lance; Laspistol x1)

@ dark6spectre

Reported. Stop trolling. Kthxbye.

Seriously, you're a fairly new member and you're spouting rubbish like this? This thread isn't constructive in any way and is just alienating you from the community with your truly rediculous and blinkered 'ideals'.

L. Wrex

If you mind FoxPhoenix. all i was asking was an opinion of what people think, not people coming in and saying im a complete moron. how about you let me see what people have said and get my opinion out.
Anpu42
razgryz


Anpu42
razgryz
cmac and others have actually let out information worth talking about. you know what, ill just rename the topic to make you happy.


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fine then deleted.

You don't have to be smart to be polite.

Obvious troll is obvious

KILL IT WITH FIRE!

anpu i just read through your list and on your vet squad it says x6 shotguns. do GW actually supply IG shotguns or do you have to convert SM scout ones for the purpose?


and btw you could have said i was 'trolling' from the start, as i didnt know i was that much. main reason: i only just realised what trolling meant out of guesswork. i thought at first it was either some random post by a person, or a random term which alot of people on dakkadakka use.

Thay are actly some Void Minis with Paired Pistols so I thought Shotguns were the best "Count-As" choice. Though I have tons of Scout Shotgun arms I might start using.

BURN BABY BURN

You have the option to build very large platoons if you want. You also have the option to build smaller platoons. Printing a separate codex that is exactly like the other one except for a different maximum size of a platoon would be stupid.

If your intent was "all i was asking was an opinion of what people think" then you might have wanted to put a question in your post and not entitled the thread "Imperial Guard suck". "What do you think of 5th ed Imperial Guard" invites discussion of what people think about the Imperial Guard. "Imperial Guard suck" is picking a fight.

Trolling on the web is like trolling for fish. Only the fish are negative replies.

GW does supply shotguns. Well, Forgeworld does. Mind you they're divisions of one and the same, so yea I guess you could say GW puts out shotguns.

And people -have- been saying you're sounding like a troll from the start, if you go back and read previous posts. So in Soladrin's defense, he wasn't the first one.

just for lols imagine 10k of pure min-max guard list with only platoons "drools"

metallifan, sorry but i did not know what trolling meant. i asked what it meant and all i got was either some guys critisising my critisising (which is absolutely fine) or more images or captions or whatever to do with trolls.

Need a light?

FWOOSH!!

I think he gets it folks.

another question. what is it with these pictures.... what are they supposed to depict? besides burning....

metallifan wrote:I think he gets it folks.

But...mah poast count!!1!

dark6spectre wrote:another question. what is it with these pictures.... what are they supposed to depict? besides burning....

romulus571 wrote:Protip: Trolls can only be killed with fire or acid.

that

Iron_Chaos_Brute wrote:

metallifan wrote:I think he gets it folks.

But...mah poast count!!1!

yes sir