If you could invent 1 necessary unit for your army what would it be? (nothing OP---- 40k or Fantasy)

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**khornebrzrkr**

as mentioned in fluff, the secret command squad of librarians in the blood ravens, the psykana.

**Generalian**

ZoomDakkaDakka wrote:An Ork Drop Pod? Hmm...sounds an awful lot like...Roks. Apparently most of the armies are getter a drop pod equivalent when they're re-released, in a similar vein to the tyranids.
Anyways, I think that orks really need some way to make Kommandos troops or a sniper unit.

I agree, it seems like every race that is updated gets some form of a deep striking vechile or MC.

While this is ..... interesting..... I fear we will have the magic the gathering sickness eventually.

For who don't know.

MY SPELL WINS ME THE GAME AND SUMMONS INFINITE CREATURES WITH INFINITE ATTACK AND DEFENSE THAT IS CHEAP AND MAKES OTHERS NOT WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME EVER AGAIN.

**Guitardian**

Yeah, the 'codex creep' phenomenon does get kind of discouraging. It has been ever since they started printing each codex individually instead of all in the one 'army lists' book. "Flavor of the month" is how we used to describe it... like, why play SM when you can play BA or SW just as a 'for instance'... why play anything that isn't the fresh new broken rules of the moment? IG, ork, BA, nid, SW... if you play anything but those you are handicapped by less broken rules. Next time DE or necron gets a new dex, I'm sure everyone will jump on a bandwagon for them too, and everyone who doesn't will sit and complain that it's too powerful.

I don't play at competative tournaments, just basement games and FLGS games, so really don't care personally what the flavor of the month is... but one day I'll get a new codex and I'll be able to take a squad of 10 deepstriking wraithlords at 50 points each or something equally silly. That's when I will give up and go back to just playing chess

Can I get a squad of Avatars?

**Corennus**

When in doubt go vanilla.
It's boring, it'll get you kicked more times than you win, but you'll understand what to do a lot more than the "special" codexes!

Oh new special unit for Orks:
Gretchin bombs!
Orks hurl gretchin tied up with explosives at the advancing enemy.
Blast template weapon, strength 5, 12" range

**The Fox Lord**

Corennus wrote:Oh new special unit for Orks:
Gretchin bombs!
Orks hurl gretchin tied up with explosives at the advancing enemy.
Blast template weapon, strength 5, 12" range

I like that, on a related note, Give Burnaz back to Boyz Mobz!

**Generalian**

Corennus wrote:When in doubt go vanilla.
It's boring, it'll get you kicked more times than you win, but you'll understand what to do a lot more than the "special" codexes!

Oh new special unit for Orks:
Gretchin bombs!
Orks hurl gretchin tied up with explosives at the advancing enemy.
Blast template weapon, strength 5, 12" range

OMG YES, but make it like a retinue where he can absorb a wound and then be thrown like a shooting attack where the model is immediately wounded regardless.

**Kharnflakes**

Generalian wrote:
Corennus wrote:When in doubt go vanilla.
It's boring, it'll get you kicked more times than you win, but you'll understand what to do a lot more than the "special" codexes!

Oh new special unit for Orks:
Gretchin bombs!
Orks hurl gretchin tied up with explosives at the advancing enemy.
Blast template weapon, strength 5, 12" range

OMG YES, but make it like a retinue where he can absorb a wound and then be thrown like a shooting attack where the model is immediately wounded regardless.

yes make it a retinue iwith a 3+ save but if the retinue is wounded place the large blast template over the unit str10 ap4 no cover saves

**Sidstyler**

Guitardian wrote:like, why play SM when you can play BA or SW just as a 'for instance'... why play anything that isn't the fresh new broken rules of the moment?

Because there are things that SM can do that SW and BA can't do as effectively. Contrary to popular belief, SW and BA aren't "Space Marines +".

**Kharnflakes**

Sidstyler wrote:
Guitardian wrote:like, why play SM when you can play BA or SW just as a 'for instance'... why play anything that isn't the fresh new broken rules of the moment?

Because there are things that SM can do that SW and BA can't do as effectively. Contrary to popular belief, SW and BA aren't "Space Marines +".

really what are they? surely the fact they are space marine chapters means there space marines

**Murdock129**

Phoenix - Rare Unit
High Elves
100 points per model
M - 2
WS - 5
BS - 0
S - 4
T - 4
W - 3
I - 6
A - 3
Ld - 10

Unit: Single Model
Equipment: Phoenix Abilities, Flaming Body, Claws

Special Rules:
-Phoenix Rebirth, when a Phoenix is destroyed wait 3 turns before returning it to the board in the place where it was killed
-Flaming Body, when a model which is flammable (like trolls) attacks a Phoenix in combat it takes a S5 wound for each attack that hits
-Flame Attacks
-Cause Fear
-Fly

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Ventasaurus- Rare Unit
Lizardmen
230 points per model
M - 6
WS - 5
BS - 0
S - 6
T - 5
W - 5
I - 1
A - 4
Ld - 7

Single Monster, possibly ridden by Saurus

Special Rules:
-Stubborn
-Scaly Skin (3+ save)
-Cause Terror

**TakeABow**

Tyranid Crixalis (1-3) Fast Attack.
Instinctive Behavior- Feed
Jump Infantry
WS: 4
BS: 3
S: 5
T: 5
W: 2
I: 3
A: 3
LD: 7
Sv: 4+
Armed with Containment Spray

Containment Spray
Str 2, AP -, Assault 6, 24"
Any vehicle hit by containment spray reduces the maximum distance of each of its movement speeds by 3". These effects stack, and last until the end of your opponent's next turn. If this would reduce its flat-out movement speed to 0, then that vehicle becomes immobilized (as per the damage table) permanently. If the vehicle is already immobilized, each additional hit from containment spray 'pins' a weapon in place (e.g. turrets and sponsons can no longer turn to fire) This effect occurs regardless of the damage table result of the shooting.
Infantry hit by containment spray have their movement speed reduced by 1" for each successful containment spray hit (even if no wounds are inflicted) until the end of their next turn. Monsterous Creatures can ignore the first 2" of movement speed reduction. Infantry count as having moved during the movement phase (even if they didn't) for the purposes of firing weapons while their movement speed is reduced by 3" or more.

Something to slow down and stop all-mechanized lists. Dunno how many points it would have to cost, but it would be nice to have a way to stop everything from moving around so fast.

**Karon**

Beastmen:

Bestigors with two damn attacks...I mean COME ON.

Some more magic banners that aren't terrible?

Some more magic items that aren't terrible?

We got boned on both of those apartments, they barely gave us any of either, and they had the nerve to make some of them worthless.

I should make a hitler parody of that....

Make the manbane special rule that Wargors & Beastlords have not specific to human races. Make it affect all races.

**Sidstyler**

Kharnflakes wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:
Guitardian wrote:like, why play SM when you can play BA or SW just as a 'for instance'... why play anything that isn't the fresh new broken rules of the moment?

Because there are things that SM can do that SW and BA can't do as effectively. Contrary to popular belief, SW and BA aren't "Space Marines +".

really what are they? surely the fact they are space marine chapters means there space marines

I think you know exactly what I meant. I was talking about the codex.

People are acting like SW and BA get everything in the Space Marine codex, plus everything that's special to their respective chapters. Hence, "Space Marines +". All I was saying is that wasn't true, Space Marines are not "gimped" or lacking in comparison, they're just different. They have things the other codices don't have, they have their own viable lists that can't be easily reproduced with the other two books. GW has, believe it or not, given you reasons to keep using Codex: Space Marines and not keep hopping to the next new Marine book.

Hell, for a while that was one of the main complaints about the other chapters. "Why can't my land raiders and drop pods fit 12 models? Why don't I get this, why don't I get that?"

**Generalian**

Sidstyler wrote:
Kharnflakes wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:
Guitardian wrote:like, why play SM when you can play BA or SW just as a 'for instance'... why play anything that isn't the fresh new broken rules of the moment?

Because there are things that SM can do that SW and BA can't do as effectively. Contrary to popular belief, SW and BA aren't "Space Marines +".

really what are they? surely the fact they are space marine chapters means there space marines

I think you know exactly what I meant. I was talking about the codex.

People are acting like SW and BA get everything in the Space Marine codex, plus everything that's special to their respective chapters. Hence, "Space Marines +". All I was saying is that wasn't true, Space Marines are not "gimped" or lacking in comparison, they're just different. They have things the other codices don't have, they have their own viable lists that can't be easily reproduced with the other two books. GW has, believe it or not, given you reasons to keep using Codex: Space Marines and not keep hopping to the next new Marine book.

Hell, for a while that was one of the main complaints about the other chapters. "Why can't my land raiders and drop pods fit 12 models? Why don't I get this, why don't I get that?"

Thats so true, for god who knows how long my friend, who plays Dark Angels, keeps complaining to me how his codex can't do the awesome things the vanilla codex can!

**Sidstyler**

Well, DA were written before 5th, and not only that but were intentionally gimped because GW was trying a new design philosophy for them and CSM...which obviously failed horribly. So yeah, unless you're a die-hard fan or a Deathwing/Ravenwing player (and even then...), you're probably playing with Codex: Space Marines.

**shrike**

the 9-year-old grot or angron-he's the only active primarch!

**Samus_aran115**

Magnus the Red, I want him for a pre-heresy thousand sons army. He can cost 900 points or something,I don't care,I want him.
6.6.9.7.5.7.5.10.2+ (3+)
Knows all spells in SM codex (like tigurius), allows the unit to re-roll failed wound and hit rolls, and boosts the invulnerable save of every model up 2.

Awesome,not broken at all for 900 points

**Corennus**

Primarchs full stop.

ok this is gonna be a long thread...

Sanguinius (500 points)

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv

7 6 10 7 6 6 6 10 2+ (3+)

Wargear:
Artificer Armour (2+ save with a 3+ invulnerable save)
Spear of Telesto (power weapon which auto wounds on a 3+)
Blade Encarmine (poisoned, wounds on a 4+)
Golden Halo (all psyker attacks against primarch only hit on a roll of a 6)
Wings of Sanguinius.
Character is able to make an aerial move up to 36" in one movement turn.

Special Rules
*Primarch (all units in the army benefit by having to take no morale or leadership tests while primarch lives)

*Titanic Might

*Angel of Death (all enemy units attacking primarch must take a morale and leadership test to attack such a terrible opponent)

*Death from Above (all Assault Squads may move an extra 6" in movement phase if using jump packs)

*Red Thirst (every model on the table must roll a D6 each turn to see if they fall to the Red Thirst/Black Rage due to the presence of their primarch. All affected models force their squads to attack nearest enemy, but attacks are at Str 6 for the rest of the game)

**Llamahead**

Chaos Trolls and Dragon Ogres in the Beastman book.....
Foot Knights/ Men at Arms for the Brets
I got the Doomwheel back for the Skaven

**Orky-Kowboy**

Based on the BA Death Company, this is mostly a way to make Orks strength 4. These guys are 15 pts each and should be filed under Elites. Also seems like a fun project for conversion:

Bad Dok's Rejekts: Bad Doks have to break a few eggs to make their omelettes. Consequently, a Bad Dok's medtent is usually surrounded by an unfortunate squad of mutated Boyz, fenced in and guarded by shokkstikk-wielding Grots. Driven to a state of gibbering insanity by the Bad Dok's attentions, these Orks become truly ferocious, a howling, slobbering mob of psychotic demon-fiends, rushing at the enemy clutching chains, rusty scythes, broken bottles and wooden planks. More often than not however, they simply use their bare hands and teeth to rip the enemy apart.

Rules: Mob rule, Waaagh!, Feel No Pain
One Rejekt may be upgraded to a Bad Dok (+15 pts and grants Feel No Pain) who may take a Power Klaw (+25 pts).

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
Rejekt 4 - 4 4 1 2 3 7 6+
Bad Dok 4 - 4 4 2 3 3 7 6+

In a nutshell: no sluggas, just choppas, therefore no shooting at all for this unit, but they have 3 attacks each at strength 4 and they have Feel No Pain. They are also 3 times as expensive as a normal Ork Boy, though, so don't call them broken just yet!

**Boss 'eadbreaka**

shrike wrote:the 9-year-old grot or angron-he's the only active primarch!

Mortarion and Perturabo are still kicking. And Fulgrim is still active, he just has a few tentacles and isn't quite operating at full mental capacity. Sucks being daemon possesed.

**Ed_Bodger**

Corennus wrote:Primarchs full stop.

ok this is gonna be a long thread...

Sanguinius (500 points)

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv

7 6 10 7 6 6 6 10 2+ (3+)

Wargear:
Artificer Armour (2+ save with a 3+ invulnerable save)
Spear of Telesto (power weapon which auto wounds on a 3+)
Blade Encarmine (poisoned, wounds on a 4+)
Golden Halo (all psyker attacks against primarch only hit on a roll of a 6)
Wings of Sanguinius.
Character is able to make an aerial move up to 36" in one movement turn.

Special Rules
*Primarch (all units in the army benefit by having to take no morale or leadership tests while primarch lives)

*Titanic Might

*Angel of Death (all enemy units attacking primarch must take a morale and leadership test to attack such a terrible opponent)

*Death from Above (all Assault Squads may move an extra 6" in movement phase if using jump packs)

*Red Thirst (every model on the table must roll a D6 each turn to see if they fall to the Red Thirst/Black Rage due to the presence of their primarch. All affected models force their squads to attack nearest enemy, but attacks are at Str 6 for the rest of the game)

Have you by any chance looked at the Tempus Fugitives website they do a lot of different campaigns and make GW approved rules. They have rules for all the primarchs, I used Leman Russ in apoc the other week against Horus - man that was epic.

**Generalian**

if isn't approved by GW it isnt real....

same as screenshots or it didn't happen!

**Blarglord**

A data sheet for The Arch-Arsonist of Charadon for Orks.
Chaos getting Deathclaws (Chaos Drop Pods) in regular 40k

@Orky-Kowboy: Me likey, I like the way you think

**greenbay924**

2 attacks for black orcs...and their old quell animosity rule!

**Generalian**

greenbay924 wrote:2 attacks for black orcs...and their old quell animosity rule!

meh. Make it 3!

**bravelybravesirrobin**

God tons of stuff (and not all for armies I play) I can' stop at just one

Orks - proper battle tanks for starters, something with an Av of 12+ no transport capacity and some big gunz.

Something for the snakebites, squig herds, boar boyz, squiggoths! Something! Boar boyz could be Fa choices with improved cc abiltiy vs bikes (3attacks base cos of the pig and an extra 1+str on the charge maybe?) but without the dustcloud, turbo-boost and guns. Squiggoths are just crying out to go stomp some nids.

Ork roks would be fun but IMHO spreading the drop pod mechanic around too much is a bad idea.

Mad boyz should definitely make a return, improve theirt base statline, no guns, each turn roll a dice (maybe a 2D6 table) to see what power they get some buff (FNP, extra attack, free waaagh) some debuff (stand still for a turn looking at clouds, fight each other, imemdiately run away from the scary thing, wander off in a random direction to look at the shiny thing).

Arch Arsonist would make an awesome character too.

Eldar - solitaire. The biggest bad ass in the entire game during 3rd ed. 12" charge, invulnerable up to 12 attacks or something stupid. Bring him back, make him just as deadly but really, really fragile.

bonesingers - every race needs some kind of fixer/healer. Bonesingers could fill this niche and also have a set of non-psychic powers like making or improving terrain, throwing shards of bone, putting wounds back onto wraith creatures.

A new aspect. Play wise most niches are covered but a psychology based unit (similarly to the Ig PBS that lowers ld or forces checks) or a unit that uses poison haven't been done. I would dearly love to see the slicing orbs make an appearance but the whole point of the slicing orbs is that they're incredibly rare.

Some kind of assault tank.

Dark Eldar - harlequins

Necrons - some kind of giant mechnical scorpion would be cool although infringing on the talos's design space.

An obelisk or small monolith as a drop pod equivalent (either deathstorm-esque drop, immobile, blasty or drop, immobile, warriors emerge from its portal).

Some kind of more normal vehicle like a skiff or giant chariot.

Tau - Great Knarlocs for a start but generally more and more varied aliens. Nicassar as a tank upgrade, demiurge as an elite choice, etc.

More and more varied tanks.

Tetras.

Space Wolves - wolfen squads, mostly because I feel sorry for old 13th co players with them staring at them from the shelves.

Chaos Space Marines - cultists!

The return of daemons that are at least marked, ditto greater daemons

Cult terminators

More and more varied daemon engines (also applies to chaos daemons)

**UltraKruel**

The 'The Party Wolfs' for the Space Wolfs.

Whenever the Party Wolfs engage an enemy squad in melee, the Party Wolfs and the enemy have to pass a leadership test. If both are passed, that unit will rumage around and party with the Party Wolfs. Forever. If one is failed, they will continue with fighting.

WS BS W A L I SV
4 4 1 1 6 2 4+

Elites

**comisarmilo**

Mine would be Colonel-Commissar gaunt in Ultramarines power armour. that would be somethign tho.

**Generalian**

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:God tons of stuff (and not all for armies I play) I can' stop at just one

Orks - proper battle tanks for starters, something with an Av of 12+ no transport capacity and some big gunz.

Something for the snakebites, squig herds, boar boyz, squiggoths! Something! Boar boyz could be Fa choices with improved cc abiltiy vs bikes (3attacks base cos of the pig and an extra 1+str on the charge maybe?) but without the dustcloud, turbo-boost and guns. Squiggoths are just crying out to go stomp some nids.

Ork roks would be fun but IMHO spreading the drop pod mechanic around too much is a bad idea.

Mad boyz should definitely make a return, improve theirt base statline, no guns, each turn roll a dice (maybe a 2D6 table) to see what power they get some buff (FNP, extra attack, free waaagh) some debuff (stand still for a turn looking at clouds, fight each other, imemdiately run away from the scary thing, wander off in a random direction to look at the shiny thing).

Arch Arsonist would make an awesome character too.

sir, if Games Workshop had you on their team... the world would be a better place.

Eldar - solitaire. The biggest bad ass in the entire game during 3rd ed. 12" charge, invulnerable up to 12 attacks or something stupid. Bring him back, make him just as deadly but really, really fragile.

bonesingers - every race needs some kind of fixer/healer. Bonesingers could fill this niche and also have a set of non-psychic powers like making or improving terrain, throwing shards of bone, putting wounds back onto wraith creatures.

A new aspect. Play wise most niches are covered but a psychology based unit (similarly to the Ig PBS that lowers ld or forces checks) or a unit that uses poison haven't been done. I would dearly love to see the slicing orbs make an appearance but the whole point of the slicing orbs is that they're incredibly rare.

Some kind of assault tank.

Dark Eldar - harlequins

Necrons - some kind of giant mechnical scorpion would be cool although infringing on the talos's design space.

An obelisk or small monolith as a drop pod equivalent (either deathstorm-esque drop, immobile, blasty or drop, immobile, warriors emerge from its portal).

Some kind of more normal vehicle like a skiff or giant chariot.

Tau - Great Knarlocs for a start but generally more and more varied aliens. Nicassar as a tank upgrade, demiurge as an elite choice, etc.

More and more varied tanks.

Tetras.

Space Wolves - wolfen squads, mostly because I feel sorry for old 13th co players with them staring at them from the shelves.

Chaos Space Marines - cultists!

The return of daemons that are at least marked, ditto greater daemons

Cult terminators

More and more varied daemon engines (also applies to chaos daemons)

sir if you were on the GW team.... the world would be a better place