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reidy1113 wrote:Sorry that I got some of the rules wrong in my very large Blood Angels list post. I have edited the changes now.


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I'm sorry that I got some of the rules wrong guys. I have edited my Blood Angels list and it is still the largest Blood Angels army.

Sorry for being rude.

Erratic_Assassin wrote:If we put Ratbarf's and Rashim's lists together maybe we can get a DA list we all can agree on. I'm not going to rehash any of the undisputed points.

HQ- Azrael, maxed command squad with maxed RB - 630
Sammael - 205
835

Elite- Vet Squad, all with TH, SS, MB and a maxed RB - 770 x 3
(With the FAQ all models can take TH's)
2310

Troops- Maxed RW Attack Squadron - 445 x 6
RW banner and Apothecary in one - 40
2710

Fast Attack- Maxed RW Attack Squadron - 445 x 3
1335

Heavy- Maxed LR each with Maxed Techmarine, servitors, and dedicated maxed RB- 670 x 3
2010
___________

Which equals one hour of my life wasted plus....
9200 points

Not very impressive, but that's DA for ya.

Close, but not quite right
Azreal can max out at 635 with cmd sqd
Not sure where the extra 10 points are from but for heavy it should be a max LR (285) + a maxed TM (375) for a total of 660, so its only 1980 points
So the total should be 9175

Made this twice in AB to double check
I know Azreal couldn't normally take a company champion, but the rules state that any command squad may upgrade 1 member to a company champion, and the army includes the master of the 2nd company, so it works, RAW.

Erratic_Assassin wrote:If we put Ratbarf's and Rashim's lists together maybe we can get a DA list we all can agree on. I'm not going to rehash any of the undisputed points.

HQ- Azrael, maxed command squad with maxed RB - 630
Sammael - 205
835

Elite- Vet Squad, all with TH, SS, MB and a maxed RB - 770 x 3
(With the FAQ all models can take TH's)
2310

Troops- Maxed RW Attack Squadron - 445 x 6
RW banner and Apothecary in one - 40
2710

Fast Attack- Maxed RW Attack Squadron - 445 x 3
1335

Heavy- Maxed LR each with Maxed Techmarine, servitors, and dedicated maxed RB- 670 x 3
2010
___________

Which equals one hour of my life wasted plus....
9200 points

Not very impressive, but that's DA for ya.

whalemusic360 wrote:
Close, but not quite right
Azreal can max out at 635 with cmd sqd
Not sure where the extra 10 points are from but for heavy it should be a max LR (285) + a maxed TM (375) for a total of 660, so its only 1980 points
So the total should be 9175

Made this twice in AB to double check
I know Azreal couldn't normally take a company champion, but the rules state that any command squad may upgrade 1 member to a company champion, and the army includes the master of the 2nd company, so it works, RAW.

OMG
One would think with this short bus, padded helmet, paint by number DA codex, a couple of smart guys could figure this out.
You are flat out right about the heavies being 660. Must have been an addition error on my part. (that's what I get for working this out by hand)

I am going to stand by the 835 total for HQ, though. It's looking like the command squad is the point of contention. I honestly can't see how you got your total, and I don't want to break any rules by going down the list point by point. So I am going to guess at the differences and explain my choices being as vague as I have to be.

First, only a standard bearer can be upgraded to Azrael's chapter banner, so points have to be spent for a company standard. Next, taking a company champion is a reeeeeaaaal stretch. I say that because a Company Master is the requirement and although Sammael, master of the Ravenwing, is the master of the 2nd company, there is a HQ option specifically called a "Company Master". Secondly, not being an IC, Sammael can never take a command squad (let alone a champion). So, RAW, I would say no. And RAI... What black-blooded, bugs in my face-grill, fallen in my spokes, exhaust breathing RavenF'INGwing champion is going to be caught dead riding shotgun in a rhino, let alone foot-slogging it???

With Sammael, Azrael & banner, command squad with everything (except champion and sacred standard), and the command squad's pimped razorback gets 835 for HQ.

My army total: 9170

I really want to iron this out because, seriously, if I can't add this up I am going to turn in my codex, stop bathing, and buy some space puppies.

@Dashofpepper: Welcome back.

@Nosferatu1001: Can you provide the exact points you got for the Space Wolves?

@Erratic_Assassin: Don´t give in to despair! Remember! You are Dark Angels! The First Legion![i] If you defect to the Wolves, you will be the laughing stock of the whole Adeptus Astartes. Leman Russ ( wherever he might be ) would laugh himself sick .

Space Wolves - 9641

Logan
Bjorn+Las
Wolf Lord - everything, 285 points
Wolf Lord - everything, drop meltabomb - 280

WolfGuard - 1125
- mark, th ss melta
- 2 cyclones, th ss melta
- Arjac
- 6 TH SS melta
- LRC plus everything

5x Wolf Guard - 870 points
- As above but remove arjac, LRC, add a razorback with everything

3xWolf Scouts - 272
- everything possible! snipers, power weapons, etc

3xmax TWC - 385
- again, everything

3x6 long fangs, razorback - 340

Erratic_Assassin wrote:

Erratic_Assassin wrote:If we put Ratbarf's and Rashim's lists together maybe we can get a DA list we all can agree on. I'm not going to rehash any of the undisputed points.

HQ- Azrael, maxed command squad with maxed RB - 630
Sammael - 205
835

Elite- Vet Squad, all with TH, SS, MB and a maxed RB - 770 x 3
(With the FAQ all models can take TH's)
2310

Troops- Maxed RW Attack Squadron - 445 x 6
RW banner and Apothecary in one - 40
2710

Fast Attack- Maxed RW Attack Squadron - 445 x 3
1335

Heavy- Maxed LR each with Maxed Techmarine, servitors, and dedicated maxed RB- 670 x 3
2010
___________

Which equals one hour of my life wasted plus....
9200 points

Not very impressive, but that's DA for ya.

whalemusic360 wrote:
Close, but not quite right
Azreal can max out at 635 with cmd sqd
Not sure where the extra 10 points are from but for heavy it should be a max LR (285) + a maxed TM (375) for a total of 660, so its only 1980 points
So the total should be 9175

Made this twice in AB to double check
I know Azreal couldn't normally take a company champion, but the rules state that any command squad may upgrade 1 member to a company champion, and the army includes the master of the 2nd company, so it works, RAW.

OMG
One would think with this short bus, padded helmet, paint by number DA codex, a couple of smart guys could figure this out.
You are flat out right about the heavies being 660. Must have been an addition error on my part. (that's what I get for working this out by hand)

I am going to stand by the 835 total for HQ, though. It's looking like the command squad is the point of contention. I honestly can't see how you got your total, and I don't want to break any rules by going down the list point by point. So I am going to guess at the differences and explain my choices being as vague as I have to be.

First, only a standard bearer can be upgraded to Azrael's chapter banner, so points have to be spent for a company standard. Next, taking a company champion is a reeeeeaaaal stretch. I say that because a Company Master is the requirement and although Sammael, master of the Ravenwing, is the master of the 2nd company, there is a HQ option specifically called a "Company Master". Secondly, not being an IC, Sammael can never take a command squad (let alone a champion). So, RAW, I would say no. And RAI... What black-blooded, bugs in my face-grill, fallen in my spokes, exhaust breathing RavenF'INGwing champion is going to be caught dead riding shotgun in a rhino, let alone foot-slogging it???

With Sammael, Azrael & banner, command squad with everything (except champion and sacred standard), and the command squad's pimped razorback gets 835 for HQ.

My army total: 9170

I really want to iron this out because, seriously, if I can't add this up I am going to turn in my codex, stop bathing, and buy some space puppies.

NO!!!1! Dont do that lol
Anyways, i forgot about Azreal's banner upgrade, so I think a detailed hq explenation is required. But before that, and I agree not RAI, but yes RAW "For every company master (Sammy) in the army, one command squad may upgrade one model to a company champion, by replacing [blah blah], for +25 points" doesnt say it has to be the Company masters cmd squad. If a genaric Company master and a Chaplin were your 2 hq choices, you could put it in the chaplins crew. Again, probally not RAI, but thats not what this is. So anyways the HQs:
Sammael, Master of the Ravenwing - 205
Azrael - 225
- Command squad 105, Apoth 20, Comany champion 25, Std Bearer 10 + 15 for Cptr banner, 2x plasma pistols, 2x powerfists, 2xplasma guns - 110, 4xmeltabombs, 20
- Pimp my ride edition Razorback - 120 points
Total HQ cost - 855 points
Which i think will it 9190 points in total. Regardless its in this neighborhood.

Seems the DA question is finally resolving . So the situation is as follows:

1) Blood Angels: 26941
2) Imperial Guard: 25604
3) Space Marines: 12230
4) Black Templars: 11562
5) Orks: 10365
6) Chaos Space Marines: 10255 ( Not counting Spawn/Summoned Daemons )
7) Witch Hunters: 10060 ( mono-Codex )
8) Tyranids: 9965 ( Multiple contenders, but all consistently hitting the 99xx mark. )
9) Space Wolves: 9641
10) Daemon Hunters: 9246 ( mono-Codex )
11) Dark Angels: 9170 ( 9190 pts depending how many Company Champions you can add )
12) Tau Empire: 8745
13) Eldar: 8217
14) Dark Eldar: Kabal 7774 / Wych Cult 7990 ( Not counting Warp Beasts )
15) Chaos Daemons: 6495
16) Necrons: 5385

Okay, sorry about the delay in getting this posted. This is the most expensive, LEGAL, space wolves list one can field. I'll include individual upgrades to avoid confusion.


[MOD EDIT - NO INDIVIDUAL COSTS IN LIST PLEASE!]

Headquarters

Logan Grimnar 275pts

Wolf Lord 100
-thammer
-sshield
-runic armor
-melta bombs
-thunderwolf mount
-2 fenrisian wolves
-MotW
-Belt of Russ
-Saga of the Warrior Born
Total : 340pts

Wolf Lord
- Same as above but two thammers to make different wargear as per Space Wolves codex requirement and Saga of the bear
Total 340 pts

Wolf Lord
Same as above minus melta bombs plus saga of the wolfkin
total 310

HQ total 1265

Elites
-would love to take wolfguard here but cannot as they count as troops.

Venerable Dreadnought 165
-heavy flamer
-twinlinked lascannon
-twinlinked autocannon
-wolftail talisman
-wolftooth necklace
-xarmor 15
-deathwind missile launcher
total 300X3

Total elites 900
note: I chose to follow the saga restriction and not give saga of the majesty to all 3 dreads, otherwise it would be 45 pts more

Troops
Wolfguard pack 1
thammer/sshield x 10
bikes x10
melta bombs x10
motw
Arjac
Land raider crusader
sbolter
hk missile
multimelta
xarmor
total 1560

Wolfguard packs (5 total)
equipped as above less Arjac and LRC, instead lasplas razorback with all upgrades 115
total 1210 x 5

Troops total 7610

Fast Attack
Thunderwolf Cavalry 250
-sshield x5
-meltabombs x5
-thammer
-motw
total 460 x 3

Fast attack total 1380

Heavy Support
Long Fangs
-powerfist x2
-lascannon x5
-melta bomb
-decked out razorback 115
total 385 x3

HS total 1155


Total list size 12310

A-P wrote: Seems the DA question is finally resolving . So the situation is as follows:

1) Blood Angels: 26941

When I attempted to improve my Blood Angels list, I managed to get 27306 points, nobody has complained about it yet. I fixied some errors other lists included.

Baxx wrote:

A-P wrote: Based on the latest, here is the collected list. The Blood Angels hold the first post...

1) Blood Angels: 27791

Who made a 27791 pts list for Blood Angels?

The correct Blood Angels army list for this thread can ONLY be:

HQ =2052

The Sanguinor -275

Astorath The Grim -220

5 Honour Guards, Blood Champion, 5 dual hammers, company standard, melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -771

5 Honour Guards, Blood Champion, 5 dual hammers, chapter banner, melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -786

Elite =2403

10 Terminators, 2 assault cannons, 9 chainfists, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -801

10 Terminators, 2 assault cannons, 9 chainfists, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -801

10 Terminators, 2 assault cannons, 9 chainfists, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -801

Troops =17250

30 Death Company, 30 dual hammers, 30 jump packs, Lemartes -3000

30 x Death Company, dual hammers, jump packs -2850

30 x Death Company, dual hammers, jump packs -2850

30 x Death Company, dual hammers, jump packs -2850

30 x Death Company, dual hammers, jump packs -2850

30 x Death Company, dual hammers, jump packs -2850

Fast Attack =3738

10 Vanguard Veterans, 20 dual hammers, melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -1246

10 Vanguard Veterans, 20 dual hammers, melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -1246

10 Vanguard Veterans, 20 dual hammers, melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -1246

Heavy Support =1863

10 Devastators, 4 Las Cannons, dual powerfists, Melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -621

10 Devastators, 4 Las Cannons, dual powerfists, Melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -621

10 Devastators, 4 Las Cannons, dual powerfists, Melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -621

Total =27306

I win, I have the biggest LEGAL list?

How DID you come to that conclusion????

reidy1113 wrote:
Your Honour guard can't have a Blood Champion with Dual Hammers I don't think.
How can 10 Vanguard Veterans have 20 Dual Thunder Hammers. I assume this is just a typo error but just saying.
You can give your Terminators 10 Chainfists can't you??? You've only given 9. Up that to 10 for more points!!!
Nice list. Well done.

Any Terminator can exchange it's powerfist with a chainfist for 5 pts. The Terminator sergeant has of course a power sword, never a power fist. It's an advantage to read the unit entry before making assumptions. This is how it's always been for Space Marine Terminators (since 3rd edition I think), so you can't really complain about not having read the new codex well enough. Even if I had 10 chainfists, it would only give me 3x5 more points.

I added the Blood Champion to the Honour Guards after another list included him with dual hammers. There is nothing in the text that says his new wargear replaces the old. However, I'd be happy to clarify that now, hopefully with some other opinions of people having read the codex better. I think what you're saying is RAI, but RAW might support my version.

All the Vanguard Veterans can have dual hammers, OOPS yeah that's a typo. I fixed it, points stay the same, only paid for legal amount of hammers.

Thanks for the critics though. As long as none of the arguments are wrong, my list stay unchanged and I have the greatest list

CSM fix, I'm sure this is not the biggest you can make (threw it togeather during AOTS) but it is valid according to Army Builder.


HQ: Chaos Sorcerer (1#, 275 pts)
1 Chaos Sorcerer @ 275 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 31 & 93); Krak Grenades; Disc of Tzeentch; Familiar; Melta Bombs; Personal Icon; Mark of Tzeentch; Force Weapon x1; Plasma Pistol; Gift of Chaos; Warptime; Wind of Chaos)

HQ: Chaos Sorcerer (1#, 275 pts)
1 Chaos Sorcerer @ 275 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 31 & 93); Krak Grenades; Disc of Tzeentch; Familiar; Melta Bombs; Personal Icon; Mark of Tzeentch; Force Weapon x1; Plasma Pistol; Gift of Chaos; Warptime; Wind of Chaos)

Elite: Terminators (11#, 870 pts)
9 Terminators @ 870 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 28 & 94); Terminator Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Chain Fist x9; Combi-melta x7; Reaper Autocannon x2; Land Raider)
1 Terminator Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 28 & 94); Terminator Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Chain Fist x1; Combi-melta x1)
1 Land Raider ((C:CSM, pp. 44 & 101); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dirge Caster; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon x2; Havoc Launcher)

Elite: Terminators (11#, 870 pts)
9 Terminators @ 870 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 28 & 94); Terminator Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Chain Fist x9; Combi-melta x7; Reaper Autocannon x2; Land Raider)
1 Terminator Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 28 & 94); Terminator Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Chain Fist x1; Combi-melta x1)
1 Land Raider ((C:CSM, pp. 44 & 101); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dirge Caster; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon x2; Havoc Launcher)

Elite: Terminators (11#, 870 pts)
9 Terminators @ 870 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 28 & 94); Terminator Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Chain Fist x9; Combi-melta x7; Reaper Autocannon x2; Land Raider)
1 Terminator Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 28 & 94); Terminator Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Chain Fist x1; Combi-melta x1)
1 Land Raider ((C:CSM, pp. 44 & 101); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dirge Caster; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon x2; Havoc Launcher)

Troops: Plague Marines (21#, 655 pts)
19 Plague Marines @ 655 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Personal Icon; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x17; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Rhino)
1 Plague Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol; Combi-plasma; Fearless; Feel No Pain)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Troops: Plague Marines (21#, 655 pts)
19 Plague Marines @ 655 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Personal Icon; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x17; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Rhino)
1 Plague Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol; Combi-plasma; Fearless; Feel No Pain)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Troops: Plague Marines (21#, 655 pts)
19 Plague Marines @ 655 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Personal Icon; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x17; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Rhino)
1 Plague Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol; Combi-plasma; Fearless; Feel No Pain)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Troops: Plague Marines (21#, 655 pts)
19 Plague Marines @ 655 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Personal Icon; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x17; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Rhino)
1 Plague Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol; Combi-plasma; Fearless; Feel No Pain)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Troops: Plague Marines (21#, 655 pts)
19 Plague Marines @ 655 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Personal Icon; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x17; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Rhino)
1 Plague Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol; Combi-plasma; Fearless; Feel No Pain)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Troops: Plague Marines (21#, 655 pts)
19 Plague Marines @ 655 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Personal Icon; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x17; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Rhino)
1 Plague Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol; Combi-plasma; Fearless; Feel No Pain)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Fast Attack: Raptors (20#, 540 pts)
19 Raptors @ 540 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 34 & 99); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Bolt Pistol x19; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2)
1 Aspiring Champion ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Mark of Nurgle; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol)

Fast Attack: Raptors (20#, 540 pts)
19 Raptors @ 540 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 34 & 99); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Bolt Pistol x19; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2)
1 Aspiring Champion ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Mark of Nurgle; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol)

Fast Attack: Raptors (20#, 540 pts)
19 Raptors @ 540 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 34 & 99); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Bolt Pistol x19; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2)
1 Aspiring Champion ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Mark of Nurgle; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol)

Heavy Support: Havocs (21#, 650 pts)
19 Havocs @ 650 pts ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x15; Close Combat Weapon x19; Lascannon x4; Rhino)
1 Aspiring Champion ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Mark of Nurgle; Combi-melta; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Heavy Support: Havocs (21#, 650 pts)
19 Havocs @ 650 pts ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x15; Close Combat Weapon x19; Lascannon x4; Rhino)
1 Aspiring Champion ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Mark of Nurgle; Combi-melta; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Heavy Support: Havocs (21#, 650 pts)
19 Havocs @ 650 pts ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x15; Close Combat Weapon x19; Lascannon x4; Rhino)
1 Aspiring Champion ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Mark of Nurgle; Combi-melta; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

: Summoned Greater Daemon (1#, 100 pts)
1 Summoned Greater Daemon @ 100 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 62 & 102); Close Combat Weapon; Fearless)

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Wow, blood angels are beating out the guard? That is amazing!

@whalemusic360: I am still not sold on the champion, but I'm not going to clutter up the thread with YMDC fodder. We will have to agree to disagree. But in the interest of maxing out the FOC spending spree I will concede.

DA: 9190 of the finest points in the galaxy for the Lion!

Okay.
I'm going to tick some people off here, because this might just cause a list or 3 to be reduced.

The Blood Angel lists posted should not be counted as "legal," if they have Honor Guard, since Honor Guard don't take up Force Org slots.

Now, I know there's a difference between TWO units that don't use them and LIMITLESS units that don't use them, but fair's fair. If one army doesn't get to use "non-FO slot" units, none should.

Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:Okay.
I'm going to tick some people off here, because this might just cause a list or 3 to be reduced.

The Blood Angel lists posted should not be counted as "legal," if they have Honor Guard, since Honor Guard don't take up Force Org slots.

Now, I know there's a difference between TWO units that don't use them and LIMITLESS units that don't use them, but fair's fair. If one army doesn't get to use "non-FO slot" units, none should.

Eric

That's true.

If the honor guard isn't a retinue for the HQ, or isn't taken with the HQ, then it isn't allowed.

Lunchmoney - couple issues with tghe list.

1) You cannot take 10 bikes and 10 TH/SS in the unit with Arjac - as he is a fixed profile. Unless you are upgrading the WG first THEN buying Arjac - but that doesnt follow the costs for Arjac listed in the FAQ (basiuc WG plus upgrade)]

This drops your first troop down to 1470.

2) I get 445 for the TW Cav unit, not sure where you get the extra 15 points from

Ailaros wrote:I play guard: you all lose

HQ: Creed, kell, nork, heavy flamer, camo cloaks, carapace armor krak grenades vox caster medipack 3x plasma guns, chimera (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo), 5 ministorum priests with eviscerators, 2 techpriests with 5 servitors, two carrying plasma cannons.

1060

Straken, regimental standard, heavy flamer, camo cloaks, carapace armor krak grenades vox caster medipack 3x plasma guns, chimera (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo)

405

ELITES:

3x 10 ogryn with chimera chimera (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo)

(530 apiece) 1590

TROOPS:

Chenkov, commissar with power fist, plasma pistol, medipack, platoon standard, vox caster, heavy flamer, 2x plasma, krak grenades (215)

5 PIS with melta bombs, commissar, 2x plasma pistols, 2x power weapons, plasma gun, vox caster, lascannon, krak grenades (180 apiece) 900

5 lascannon heavy weapons squads (105 apiece) 525

2 special weapons squads with demos 190

50-man conscript squad with send in the next wave 275

6 chimeras (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo) 720

2825

Same as above, except with al'rahem

2845

4 more infantry platoons as above, except without the special characters but with a plasma pistol and power fist for the JO.

(2830 apiece) 11320

Total spent on troops: 16990

FAST ATTACK

3x 3x squads of hellhounds with multimelta, searchlight, stubber, HK, dozer, EA, smoke, camo

1944

HEAVY SUPPORT

3x 3x squads of executioners with plasma sponsons, hull lascannon, pintle stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo.

+ one of them has Pask 50

2840


---- TOTAL -----

24,979 points

946 infantry models

59 vehicles

Ungodly number of guns and assorted weapons.

You can squeeze a few more points in by giving all the HW team Krak Grenades

Dashofpepper wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:Okay.
I'm going to tick some people off here, because this might just cause a list or 3 to be reduced.

The Blood Angel lists posted should not be counted as "legal," if they have Honor Guard, since Honor Guard don't take up Force Org slots.

Now, I know there's a difference between TWO units that don't use them and LIMITLESS units that don't use them, but fair's fair. If one army doesn't get to use "non-FO slot" units, none should.

Eric

That's true.

If the honor guard isn't a retinue for the HQ, or isn't taken with the HQ, then it isn't allowed.

Even still, with the removal of the SGD (100 pts) to be in line with the "No free FO slots" rule, my 10660 chaos list beats out the 10320 one and brings chaos up to around 4 or 5th place IIRC
~EDIT~
Also, Removing the Honor Gaurd would put IG in the lead
25604 to 25441

Erratic_Assassin wrote:@whalemusic360: I am still not sold on the champion, but I'm not going to clutter up the thread with YMDC fodder. We will have to agree to disagree. But in the interest of maxing out the FOC spending spree I will concede.

DA: 9190 of the finest points in the galaxy for the Lion!

Fair enough, once I get out of class, I'll post in the YMDC thread and see what the masses think.

So Should we not be using Techmarines, as they also dont take up a FOC slot?

Not in this case - otherwise Chaos SM win....

Crapola - back to AB


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Ok, so techmarine-less DA should be the same as the others except heavy. replace with
Dev squad - 4 lascannons, PF, PP, MB Sgt, Pimped RB for a total of 470 points x3
The final, hopefully correct, total should be 8560. Some check me on this (if using AB, the option for Az's banner is missing, add 15 points to total).

nosferatu1001 wrote:Lunchmoney - couple issues with tghe list.

1) You cannot take 10 bikes and 10 TH/SS in the unit with Arjac - as he is a fixed profile. Unless you are upgrading the WG first THEN buying Arjac - but that doesnt follow the costs for Arjac listed in the FAQ (basiuc WG plus upgrade)]

This drops your first troop down to 1470.

2) I get 445 for the TW Cav unit, not sure where you get the extra 15 points from

Okay, I didn't notice the FAQ for Arjac, so I lose 90pts from the total.

Point two I can explain.EDITED TO COMPLY WITH DAKKA POLICY anyways, I assure you that a fully upgraded thunderwolves unit is in fact 460

Updated Space Wolves max roster = 12220

ps I still think people should be allowed to be stupid enough to upgrade wolfguard first, then upgrade to Arjac.

Ailaros wrote:So I went back over the other guard post, and I picked up on some things I'd missed (I forgot advisors, d'oh!), including that models like commissars and officers can take two powerfists.
25604 points

946 infantry models

59 vehicles

Ungodly number of guns and assorted weapons.

Sorry, but your list is illegal - you have too many special weapons in the command squads. Vox, Standrad, Kell and Medic all take up specail slots.

Best I can make is:

Imperial Guard

HQ:
CCS - Creed, Kell, Nork, Astropath, MoO, OotF, Camo, Carapace, Krak, Medic, HFlamer, Plasma Gun - 655
Chimera - Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber

CCS - Straken, Astropath, 2x Bodyguard, MoO, OotF, Camo, Carapace, Krak, Medic, Standard, HFlamer, Plasma Gun - 510
Chimera - Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber

Priest - Shotgun, Eviscerator - 60

Priest - Shotgun, Eviscerator - 60

Priest - Shotgun, Eviscerator - 60

Priest - Shotgun, Eviscerator - 60

Priest - Shotgun, Eviscerator - 60

Techpriest - Meltabombs - 185
5 Servitors - 2x Plasma Cannon

Techpriest - Meltabombs - 185
5 Servitors - 2x Plasma Cannon

Elite:
Ogryn Squad (10) - 530
Chimera - Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber

Ogryn Squad (10) - 530
Chimera - Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber

Ogryn Squad (10) - 530
Chimera - Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber

Troops:
Platoon 1 - 2885
PCS - Al'Rahem, Krak, Medic, HFlamer, 2x Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PF), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xPIS - Krak, Vox, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PW), Sarge (2x PW, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xHWT - Krak, 3x Lascannon
2xSWS - 3x Demo
Conscripts (50) - SitNW

Platoon 2 - 2865
PCS - Chenkov, Krak, Medic, HFlamer, 2x Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PF), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xPIS - Krak, Vox, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PW), Sarge (2x PW, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xHWT - Krak, 3x Lascannon
2xSWS - 3x Demo
Conscripts (50) - SitNW

Platoon 3 - 2850
PCS - Krak, Medic, HFlamer, 2x Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PF), Commander (2x PF, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xPIS - Krak, Vox, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PW), Sarge (2x PW, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xHWT - Krak, 3x Lascannon
2xSWS - 3x Demo
Conscripts (50) - SitNW

Platoon 4 - 2850
PCS - Krak, Medic, HFlamer, 2x Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PF), Commander (2x PF, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xPIS - Krak, Vox, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PW), Sarge (2x PW, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xHWT - Krak, 3x Lascannon
2xSWS - 3x Demo
Conscripts (50) - SitNW

Platoon 5 - 2850
PCS - Krak, Medic, HFlamer, 2x Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PF), Commander (2x PF, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xPIS - Krak, Vox, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PW), Sarge (2x PW, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xHWT - Krak, 3x Lascannon
2xSWS - 3x Demo
Conscripts (50) - SitNW

Platoon 6 - 2850
PCS - Krak, Medic, HFlamer, 2x Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PF), Commander (2x PF, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xPIS - Krak, Vox, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PW), Sarge (2x PW, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xHWT - Krak, 3x Lascannon
2xSWS - 3x Demo
Conscripts (50) - SitNW

Fast Attack:
Hellhounds (3) - MM, Dozer, EA, HKM, SLight, HStubber, Smokes, Camo - 648

Hellhounds (3) - MM, Dozer, EA, HKM, SLight, HStubber, Smokes, Camo - 648

Hellhounds (3) - MM, Dozer, EA, HKM, SLight, HStubber, Smokes, Camo - 648

Heavy Support:
Leman Russ Excerutioner (3) - Camo, Lascannon, 2x Plasma Cannon, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber, Pask - 980

Leman Russ Excerutioner (3) - Camo, Lascannon, 2x Plasma Cannon, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber - 930

Leman Russ Excerutioner (3) - Camo, Lascannon, 2x Plasma Cannon, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber - 930



25359

=( Its even lower, evn with adding all the Krak you missed out.

Do all those conscripts have send in the next wave (not sure since you did not note except on chenkov's)?

Jack

Jackmojo wrote:Do all those conscripts have send in the next wave (not sure since you did not note except on chenkov's)?

Jack

Snap, I forgot that its all squads, not just the one.

Whos going to do the Geenestealer Cult and squats?

On a real note, I think I'm wrong on the whole Comp champion thing. SO, the for really real, final number for DA is 8540 (-25 for the champion, +5 for another meltabomb).
Thats gotta be it.

And the latest update. Despite some armies experiencing fluctuation in their results the basic pattern has remained more or less the same. The Top 5 is dominated by MEQ, with the IG being the notable exception.

1) Blood Angels: 25441
2) Imperial Guard: 25359
3) Space Marines: 12230
4) Space Wolves: 12220
5) Black Templars: 11562
6) Chaos Space Marines: 10760
7) Orks: 10365
8) Witch Hunters: 10060
9) Tyranids: 9965
10) Daemon Hunters: 9246
11) Tau Empire: 8745
12) Dark Angels: 8540
13) Eldar: 8217
14) Dark Eldar: Kabal 7774 / Wych Cult 7990
15) Chaos Daemons: 6495
16) Necrons: 5385

Doh, freaking Tau beat us out.

A-P, I appreciate the updates you keep posting.