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Fafnir wrote:
And as for lyrics full of hate? Morrissey's been doing that for over 30 years now and his music is some of the smartest in the business. Hell, everyone's been doing that since forever. You know what they say, Noise is the Best Revenge. Or maybe I just like Morrissey a bit too much...

I dont necessarily know who Morrissey is, but, when you listen to his music, does he target one specific group of individuals? But thats not really on topic, in this particular topic (however music was brought up within context) Though, looking at music through the years, especially in the 20th century, you notice how each generation's music inevitably is the "worst" ever seen, and is the root of all evil in whatever country. Perhaps the next step is truly the problem in society, in regards to music, The next "root of all evil" music style comes out, and the one before becomes normal or at least, not so bad as before, sort of a immunization and learned ignorance of 'lesser evils'

As for MMA, i couldnt agree more, one can just hope that it shows itself to be similar in nature to Parachute pants, a fad that will fade over time but will never quite truly die.


My bottom line though, is that the vast majority of social ills today, stems directly from parenting, or the lack thereof. So many folks today grow up in broken homes, with no true father figure to properly teach/discipline them while growing up. Not everyone raised solely by a mother/grandmother or other matriarchal figure turns out bad. But, without true parental figures to teach kids right from wrong down to minute details, naturally things in the larger scheme are going to degrade.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I dont necessarily know who Morrissey is, but, when you listen to his music, does he target one specific group of individuals?

Yeah. Northern fans.

daedalus wrote:

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I dont necessarily know who Morrissey is, but, when you listen to his music, does he target one specific group of individuals?

Yeah. Northern fans.

And Margaret Thatcher. And Mike Joyce. And Andy Rourke. And George W. Bush (but who doesn't?). And his parents. And Elton John. And Madonna. And Robert Smith. And fat chicks. And people who dress poorly. And people who eat meat (although we like to forget about that song). And DJ's. And the Royal Family. Especially the Royal Family. And Oliver Cromwell. And women in general. And Managers.

Seriously, his music is fething spiteful.

Threads like these irritate me.

Kids today are not stupid as a whole, and generations are not getting slowly worse. There is certainly a larger variation in intelligence, with the smarter people getting much smarter, and the dumb people becoming more so, but people don't seem to notice the smart people do they?

And don't forget that a large amount of the problems with children these days are due to parents not taking resposibility for their children, an example is the programmes on BBC3 where they take badly behaved kids, send them to live with parents who are incredibly strict, and suddenly, miraculously they start doing as they are told!?! :O

And hey, maybe some of us don't try anything because we believe that there isn't anything that we can do about the economy because the last generation screwed it up?!

Just a thought..



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frgsinwntr wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:LOL, 15 or 16? People my age are that stupid?

Yes... yes they are.

But then... there is a reason for this.
Picture the "average" dumb person in your mind...

realize now that "half the population" is dumber and be affraid

That's a fallacious argument.
You've taken an average dumb person, and then half of the overall population.
Your example would work if you took half the dumb people, but then that wouldn't make it seem like the end of the world though would it?

Well, EVERYONE hates on Maggie. Seriously though, there's a lot of bands that portray hateful, foul, or otherwise "bad" lyrics. The thing is that there was always a level of, well, for lack of a better word, class, about them. Let us take "Boyz in the Da Hood", which is of the old school by comparison to modern day standards:

http://www.lyrics007.com/E%20Eazy%20Lyrics/Boyz%20In%20Da%20Hood%20Lyrics.html (not copypasta due to, well, language.)

And compare it with, say, "We Hate it When Our Friends Become Successful":

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/We-Hate-It-When-Our-Friends-Become-Successful-lyrics-Morrissey/9295C5B68C71CEE7482568AB0034D0EE

Morrissey is a spiteful, bitter little man, which I understand and appreciate, but he operates within constraints. Rap isn't about music or a message, it's about 'shock value'. That's why it seems to get more and more out of hand. Each generation has to outdo the next.

Goliath wrote:And hey, maybe some of us don't try anything because we believe that there isn't anything that we can do about the economy because the last generation screwed it up?!

Just a thought..

That attitude sums up the problem perfectly, actually.

Rap or hip hop is a genre and a style. Not everyone performing it focuses on shock value, any more than every rock musician is Alice Cooper.

Classic track (NSFW, some language):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rCcfqbNMdo

Goliath wrote:

frgsinwntr wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:LOL, 15 or 16? People my age are that stupid?

Yes... yes they are.

But then... there is a reason for this.
Picture the "average" dumb person in your mind...

realize now that "half the population" is dumber and be affraid

That's a fallacious argument.
You've taken an average dumb person, and then half of the overall population.
Your example would work if you took half the dumb people, but then that wouldn't make it seem like the end of the world though would it?

Wait, what? I thought this was the Morrissey thread.

I think what he's saying in this particular case is that if you take the "average" person (let us call him Fred) who is at the 50% mark for an arbitrary degree of intelligence (because there are tests for that, and highly accurate, after all), then you consider the phenomenon of how 100% of the people in the world consider average people to be dull or otherwise stupid, and then finally apply it to Fred, you'll find that half the world is even less intelligent than the already knuckdragging average caveman, I mean Fred.

Honestly, I say we're all slowed. It's just fun to hate on the youngsters because they get the most indigent about it.


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Mannahnin wrote:Rap or hip hop is a genre and a style. Not everyone performing it focuses on shock value, any more than every rock musician is Alice Cooper.

Classic track (NSFW, some language):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rCcfqbNMdo

Wow. Well done sir. You managed to find an exception with a message I can't possibly disagree with.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

What are Electrolytes?

They fix the ecomony...

No, They are what plants crave.

GalacticDefender wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

What are Electrolytes?

They fix the ecomony...

No, They are what plants crave.

I thought they were Elctros with half the calories of normal Electros.

daedalus wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Rap or hip hop is a genre and a style. Not everyone performing it focuses on shock value, any more than every rock musician is Alice Cooper.

Classic track (NSFW, some language):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rCcfqbNMdo

Wow. Well done sir. You managed to find an exception with a message I can't possibly disagree with.

Thanks! That's probably the first rap song I ever enjoyed, and it always comes to mind whenever this point of contention is raised. I loved the movie as a teenager, obviously, and I've always been a big fan of the First Amendment.

Read the sig guys, it's all in there. (Well, apart from the bit about painting targets).
And this from the guy who teachers the little jerks. (And was recently pretty badly harassed by a gang of them on the train, to the point that I reported it to the police).

Da Boss wrote:Read the sig guys, it's all in there.

I was wondering when it would come up.

http://www.lamebook.com/

While i do agree that their are A LOT of incredibly stupid people in the "Y" generation their are also a lot of nicer, open and brighter people/children.

Murray wrote:http://www.lamebook.com/

While i do agree that their are A LOT of incredibly stupid people in the "Y" generation their are also a lot of nicer, open and brighter people/children.

It's funny, because the first post on that website is relating to a divorced couple, who I'm fairly sure aren't 16.

Morrissey and MMA are both awesome and not related to kids today. It's not really about the kids, just the inevitable result of left politics mollycoddling the population into idiocy.

Left (or right) politics have nothing to do with it. If anything, it's general prosperity and ubiquitous access to cheap, easy entertainment, which reduce the need for people to work hard and improve their minds.

That and Da Boss' sig. Or this classic:

“Our earth is degenerate in these latter days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching,” attributed to an Assyrian stone tablet of about 2800 B.C.—William L. Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277 (1953).

Mannahnin wrote:Left (or right) politics have nothing to do with it. If anything, it's general prosperity and ubiquitous access to cheap, easy entertainment, which reduce the need for people to work hard and improve their minds.

That and Da Boss' sig. Or this classic:

“Our earth is degenerate in these latter days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching,” attributed to an Assyrian stone tablet of about 2800 B.C.—William L. Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277 (1953).

2800 B.C.....

Das a long time ago.

....good observation Slarg.

A Black Ram wrote:....good observation Slarg.

I thought so. Nothing gets past me, you hear! NOTHING!

Generation are defined by those who decide to be different so most of the kids who rebel are the assumed posterchildren of that generation. Most of the kids of any generation are mild mannered but they don't stand out at all so they aren't noticed.

My generation is known for being technologically inclined, lazy, rude, and overall unintelligent.

I know how to use computers, spent my holiday breaking up and pouring concrete for a family friend(yes I am getting paid, but its below minimum wage), I hold the door open for people, and I am an elderly lady's friend because we both think Teddy Roosevelt was the best president ever of all times.

People like me won't get noticed, but those stupid 'scene-kids' who put holes the size of a dinner plate in their ears, cut half their hair and spike the other half, wear tight skinny jeans, drink when their 14, have sex in middle school, think sex is less intimate than kissing, and hang around being miscreants and degenerates are going to define my generation. That just ticks me off.

Keep fightin' the good fight, halonachos.

Comfort yourself with the thought that no one talks about Generation X at all nowadays. I'm at the tail end of that, and come to think of it, I'm perfectly happy no one talks about us anymore.

Hey, who's generation messed up the environment, the economy, and the global political scene?

Thank goodness I don't listen to the garbage put out by current popular groups.

Do I need to go on YouTube and find a bunch of older people saying dumb crap now?

Ofc stupid peers (and they are peers to me) are frustrating... at Uni I can't tell you how frustrated some of the things my coursemates have said have made me feel (I do history and hearing a girl say "OH WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW VIETNAM WAS DURING THE COLD WAR" doesn't exactly bring me warm feelings) but I am sure I can hop onto the Tubes and find numerous examples to prove that the inbred and slowed are just as present amongst other generations as my own: We here at merry Dakka are simply fortunate that Warhammer totally attracts those with superior IQs, amirite?

Henners91 wrote: (I do history and hearing a girl say "OH WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW VIETNAM WAS DURING THE COLD WAR" doesn't exactly bring me warm feelings) but I am sure I can hop onto the Tubes and find numerous examples to prove that the inbred and slowed are just as present amongst other generations as my own: We here at merry Dakka are simply fortunate that Warhammer totally attracts those with superior IQs, amirite?

I didn't know that, though I don't exactly like history.....

Henners91 wrote:Do I need to go on YouTube and find a bunch of older people saying dumb crap now?

Ofc stupid peers (and they are peers to me) are frustrating... at Uni I can't tell you how frustrated some of the things my coursemates have said have made me feel (I do history and hearing a girl say "OH WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW VIETNAM WAS DURING THE COLD WAR" doesn't exactly bring me warm feelings) but I am sure I can hop onto the Tubes and find numerous examples to prove that the inbred and slowed are just as present amongst other generations as my own: We here at merry Dakka are simply fortunate that Warhammer totally attracts those with superior IQs, amirite?

Meh. I've heard stupider, ever been to a cheer-leading practice and then walk out immediately after your suspicions have been confirmed. Yes they are bunch of idiots.

Kids Today. Hmm, Its Scary to think that I will be turning 17, and one of the few of my age group to actually not of had a girlfriend. Yes, the age groups of dating has gone down into 6th grade.

I thought vietnam was during the 80s. Rambo and Red Dawn came out in the same year man. Duh!

Fafnir wrote:

daedalus wrote:

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I dont necessarily know who Morrissey is, but, when you listen to his music, does he target one specific group of individuals?

Yeah. Northern fans.

And Margaret Thatcher. And Mike Joyce. And Andy Rourke. And George W. Bush (but who doesn't?). And his parents. And Elton John. And Madonna. And Robert Smith. And fat chicks. And people who dress poorly. And people who eat meat (although we like to forget about that song). And DJ's. And the Royal Family. Especially the Royal Family. And Oliver Cromwell. And women in general. And Managers.

Seriously, his music is fething spiteful.

the guitarist was good... but your list of 'spite' sounds like the grievances of an angry fashion consultant in a gay bar. Not the kind of 'spite' I hear in other non-wimpy music that has just an ounce of testosterone in it. The smiths did have a good guitarist though.

Slarg232 wrote:

Henners91 wrote: (I do history and hearing a girl say "OH WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW VIETNAM WAS DURING THE COLD WAR" doesn't exactly bring me warm feelings) but I am sure I can hop onto the Tubes and find numerous examples to prove that the inbred and slowed are just as present amongst other generations as my own: We here at merry Dakka are simply fortunate that Warhammer totally attracts those with superior IQs, amirite?

I didn't know that, though I don't exactly like history.....

hence the problem, right? sorry bud, you don't have to like history, it happens. One day the emo pants will go in the photo gallery of shame next to uncle bob's mullet from the 80s too, and we will remember PCs as those old things our grandparents used before they had telepathy chips. Stupid millenia generation.

Asherian Command wrote:

Henners91 wrote:Do I need to go on YouTube and find a bunch of older people saying dumb crap now?

Ofc stupid peers (and they are peers to me) are frustrating... at Uni I can't tell you how frustrated some of the things my coursemates have said have made me feel (I do history and hearing a girl say "OH WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW VIETNAM WAS DURING THE COLD WAR" doesn't exactly bring me warm feelings) but I am sure I can hop onto the Tubes and find numerous examples to prove that the inbred and slowed are just as present amongst other generations as my own: We here at merry Dakka are simply fortunate that Warhammer totally attracts those with superior IQs, amirite?

Meh. I've heard stupider, ever been to a cheer-leading practice and then walk out immediately after your suspicions have been confirmed. Yes they are bunch of idiots.

Kids Today. Hmm, Its Scary to think that I will be turning 17, and one of the few of my age group to actually not of had a girlfriend. Yes, the age groups of dating has gone down into 6th grade.

Depends on how you define gf really... but yes, is quite worrying especially given the average age at which people tend to lose a certain thing...

I'll be 18 in March, and most of my friends have had a girlfriend (some have even, ya know, done it); I haven't had a girlfriend or a boyfriend (in fact the majority of both genders are repulsed by me, which is why more of my friends haven't had a partner/had sex; I don't exactly have a large group of friends to begin with). I can't take my alcohol (tried twice and I tend to blow chunks after the third lager, anything stronger than lager tastes revolting). I'm religious. I treat people of other religions, backgrounds etc. equally. I am willing to work (i've spent the last 6 months working for free) and learn.

My brother is 16 in July. He has had umpteen girlfriends. He hasn't had sex but obviously sees it as something to brag about and has glorified it to the same level that he has glorified alcohol, where if you're not having it then there's something wrong with you. He is an atheist and believes all religion is bull****. He is intolerant of anyone who is different, be it a different race or different sexual orientation or anything else. The concept of work is alien to him, and he is reluctant to learn.

The majority of people of his age group that I have met have shared these beliefs, if only a few (notably the alcohol and sex); those of my age group also glorify alcohola dns ex, although not nearly to the same degree, and are all far more tolerant of others.

Whilst these obviously cannot speak for the entirety of today's youth, it does speak for the chunk that I have experienced.

yeah religion will do that for you. Is your atheist brother with so many GFs who still hasnt had with no socio/religious pressure about morals just happen to be horribly deformed? Or just a really bad liar about one side or the other of that equation? oh yeah, don't worry about the booze thing. they call it 'tolerance' for a reason. You don't step into the game with 1000000 experience points.