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rubiksnoob wrote:Anyone who reads this thread and is not a WWII fanatic will have Saving Private Ryan ruined for them forever.
Nah, I studied WWII for my European history credits in college and it still doesn't bother me becuase I know the difference between a piece of entertainment and an attempt at making a narrative documentary. Saving Private Ryan is trying to evoke a feeling as well as be an homage to the WWII films of the 40's (Sands of Iwo Jima). It isn't trying to be a treatise on German tank tactics. The weakest par is the bookends of the film, but that could just be me. You could remove everything but Omaha and it would still be worth seeing on the big screen.
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Isn't there one in Princess Bride, the Man in Black mentioning he's immune to the poison after defeating the guy via said poison?
Not sure that that would be applicable,since it was more of an after the fact "reveal" that the man in black had built up a resistance to Iocane powder.
A resistance??...Inconceivable!!
This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
Plot= paratroopers hold a bridge against ss and tanks until reinforcements come to rescue paratroopers. Historical inaccuracies no not=dem.
Das boot ended with an even more sudden and unexpected air raid, and that really wasn't a dem. Das Boot was also a better movie, but that's another story.
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Isn't there one in Princess Bride, the Man in Black mentioning he's immune to the poison after defeating the guy via said poison?
Not sure that that would be applicable,since it was more of an after the fact "reveal" that the man in black had built up a resistance to Iocane powder. A resistance??...Inconceivable!!
This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Isn't there one in Princess Bride, the Man in Black mentioning he's immune to the poison after defeating the guy via said poison?
Not sure that that would be applicable,since it was more of an after the fact "reveal" that the man in black had built up a resistance to Iocane powder. A resistance??...Inconceivable!!
This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
It's a line from the movie. You'd understand if you watch Princess Bride.
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Isn't there one in Princess Bride, the Man in Black mentioning he's immune to the poison after defeating the guy via said poison?
Not sure that that would be applicable,since it was more of an after the fact "reveal" that the man in black had built up a resistance to Iocane powder. A resistance??...Inconceivable!!
This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
It's a line from the movie. You'd understand if you watch Princess Bride.
Not sure if this one has been mentioned yet,but how about the ending of the film adaptation of Stephen Kings Novella "The Mist."?
The main character endures numerous confrontations with various beasties and the "Cult of Carmody",finally manages to escape the super market with his small group,drives endlessly through the creature filled mist,runs out of gas,kills everyone else in the car to spare them from being eaten by monsters,has no bullet left for himself,in crushing grief he gets out of his car so he can be eaten by monsters....and here comes the U.S. Army to save the day.
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LordofHats wrote:As a side note, stop that video at 3:12. Is it just me or is that guy holding an M1A1 with the distinct ding of an M1?
I have no clue, but remember that most movie sound isn't production sound it's sound
effects edited in. So if there's a problem, it's the sound guys fault.
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Not really, all the eagles did was fight off the remaining fell beasts after the witch king was already dead.
A proper "Deus Ex Machina" needs to single handedly make the entire central struggle of a storyline irrelevant.
The Dead Men of Dunharrow were the Deus Ex Machina of Return of the King, and the ents were the Deus Ex Machina of The Two Towers.
You forget the Hobbit. You forget their saving the halflings from the volcano.
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BrookM wrote:Or the P51 had rockets.
Indeed... kind of quibbeling here no? It could have been the mighty Thunderbolt but they didn't have one laying around for the film.
It could have been a sherman hitting it from the rear. It could have been troops shooting it in the ass with bazookas. It could have been Captain America. We see boom then airplane then US troops and tanks appear. Who cares?
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halonachos wrote:Well in Saving Private Ryan they didn't call in the air strike at all, in fact I don't believe they had a working radio at that part of the movie.
Air support doesn't just fly around in random areas, its called in so its really improbable in that case.
They don't have to. Its the spotters with the incoming US troops you see just a few seconds later.
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FITZZ wrote: Not sure if this one has been mentioned yet,but how about the ending of the film adaptation of Stephen Kings Novella "The Mist."?
The main character endures numerous confrontations with various beasties and the "Cult of Carmody",finally manages to escape the super market with his small group,drives endlessly through the creature filled mist,runs out of gas,kills everyone else in the car to spare them from being eaten by monsters,has no bullet left for himself,in crushing grief he gets out of his car so he can be eaten by monsters....and here comes the U.S. Army to save the day.
Personally i wouldent consider that a "Deus Ex Machina" because the army arrives too late and he's already killed/lost everyone else, he gets out of the car to die but in a cruel twist of fate the army arrives just then. If he had waited in the car longer then everyone in the car could of lived.
FITZZ wrote: Not sure if this one has been mentioned yet,but how about the ending of the film adaptation of Stephen Kings Novella "The Mist."?
The main character endures numerous confrontations with various beasties and the "Cult of Carmody",finally manages to escape the super market with his small group,drives endlessly through the creature filled mist,runs out of gas,kills everyone else in the car to spare them from being eaten by monsters,has no bullet left for himself,in crushing grief he gets out of his car so he can be eaten by monsters....and here comes the U.S. Army to save the day.
Personally i wouldent consider that a "Deus Ex Machina" because the army arrives too late and he's already killed/lost everyone else, he gets out of the car to die but in a cruel twist of fate the army arrives just then. If he had waited in the car longer then everyone in the car could of lived.
I was looking at it from the perspective of his personal survival,and that basically everything he'd done had been essentially pointless,but I get what your saying.
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CT GAMER wrote:Isn't R2-D2 a walking "Deus Ex Machina"?
No matter what is going on around him, he has a little arm that comes out with exactly what is needed...
I know he is a utility droid (astromech), but come on...
Good point there!
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CT GAMER wrote:Isn't R2-D2 a walking "Deus Ex Machina"?
No matter what is going on around him, he has a little arm that comes out with exactly what is needed...
I know he is a utility droid (astromech), but come on...
Not really. Now, he gets far more useful in the prequels, but in general once you accept the R2 often has the tools/skills to for most situations, it's not horribly surprising when we comes up big. It's no different from Bond having a specific spy skill: you assume a 00 agent could speak passable russian or could pick a lock.
halonachos wrote:Well in Saving Private Ryan they didn't call in the air strike at all, in fact I don't believe they had a working radio at that part of the movie.
Air support doesn't just fly around in random areas, its called in so its really improbable in that case.
They don't have to. Its the spotters with the incoming US troops you see just a few seconds later.
Its still the fact that Tom Hanks had no support throughout the entire movie and was losing the final battle until support actually appears at the end. Support that wasn't mentioned nor present before.
The support is a suddenly introduced character that solved the issue of losing the battle. I would call that a Deus Ex Machina.
Also R2-D2 isn't a deus ex machina, he's just full of win and awesome.
They were holding a bridge until reinforcements arrived. Thats kind of the point of the final battle. Reinforcements arrived. As pretty much everyone in the original team is killed but the BAR guy, I wouldn't proffer that much of a change.
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FM Ninja 048 wrote:Lies Halon' I googled Herman Sheisseberger and It come up Herman Cheeseburger, therefore unless you acknowlage that you're 1/16th or 1/8th cheeseburger and your skin is edible, he's not your relative
1/16th cheeseburger, and everybody's skin is edible.
