Under priced units

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**Avatar 720**

Sephyr wrote:
Avatar 720 wrote:

23pts each actually. They are also NOT T5, this is a huge misconception which adds to the whole "OMFG THEY'RE OVERPOWERED!!!" argument. They are in fact T4(5), which is a world of difference, as they can be instagibbed by S8; so battlecannons crush them as easily as any other marine, and krak missiles are also effective (since they will cause ID, no FNP is allowed, and since they're AP3 they don't get their armour save either).

Plague marines are a nice unit, but they're not as overpowered as people make them out to be.

Since they have only 1 wound, the Insta-death is quite immaterial. S7 weapons kill them just as dead.

But I agree they are not quite that hot as people say. They have lower Initiative, and when youe enemy tosses Lightning claws at you, trust me, it makes a BIG difference.

The instant death in regards to FNP is actually very material; unless it's AP1/2, a strength 7 or lower weapon will give them FNP, whereas an S8 weapon will not regardless of AP (of course, 4 or worse gives them an armour save, but still no FNP should they fail it).

**Sephyr**

Avatar 720 wrote:The instant death in regards to FNP is actually very material; unless it's AP1/2, a strength 7 or lower weapon will give them FNP, whereas an S8 weapon will not regardless of AP (of course, 4 or worse gives them an armour save, but still no FNP should they fail it).

That's a good point I missed. Likely becaise in my metagame I face plasma and power weapons far more often than battlecannons.

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Vaktathi wrote:
AvatarForm wrote:

Who said Eldar were undercosted?

I played them for the last 2 years... very tricksy building lists under 2000pts, simply due to the nature of the force and opponents. Eldar are one force that cannot afford losses.
Nobody said they were, it was a comparison to an IG Valkyrie/Veteran list that ran roughly the same amount of points but less capable.

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