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In your opinion what is the most underpointed unit in 40k. Minus titans etc.

Imo id have to say the ork battlewagon. For its points it rocks!!!!

As a fairly new returning player to 40k im curious as to how certain armys beards are doing?

Thanks guys.

The Vendetta. 130 Points for 3 TL Lascannons on a fast skimmer that has transport capacity.

Gavo wrote:The Vendetta. 130 Points for 3 TL Lascannons on a fast skimmer that has transport capacity.

Thats insane! What is the troop capacity?

taylor048 wrote:

Gavo wrote:The Vendetta. 130 Points for 3 TL Lascannons on a fast skimmer that has transport capacity.

Thats insane! What is the troop capacity?

12. It also has Scouts, meaning it can outflank.

Gavo wrote:The Vendetta. 130 Points for 3 TL Lascannons on a fast skimmer that has transport capacity.

Don't forget it comes with Extra Armor, and has the Scout ability and Deep Strike, and you can take up to 3 per FoC slot (although doing so is generally rather dumb, they feel like they were costed as though they'd only ever be taken in squadrons of 3, in which case they are about right, but not for 3 units of 1)

The Vendetta is a rather silly unit.


That said, there are some other good ones out there. Grey Hunters are just as painfully underpriced as Vendettas. Long Fangs are another, not even IG can field as much firepower or wield it as effectively in the same points you can get three squads of 5 Missile Launcher toting Long Fangs for. Baal preds aren't necessarily poorly costed but shouldn't have Scouts and should be Heavy Support not Fast Attack. The upcoming Grey Knights Purifiers I feel may be pretty bad, especially against Horde armies. Of course there are always the TH/SS terminators that people would still probably take even if they were 10pts per model more.

Hands down for me the vendetta. Seems they went with more $ vs more point cost . Holy crap 3 tl lascannons for 130 points and extra armour. ok thats powerfull better make the model cost 50 or so because the players will want alot.

Yeah Vendetta is like WTF?
It also has deep strike, extra armour and can unload troops while moving flat out.

Let's compare here to something similar - Eldar Falcon.
Vendetta + extra double (double! not twin linked) HBolters is 140 if I'm not mistaken.
Falcon with Brightlance and Spirit Stones and Shuriken Cannon is 165.
We have two BS3 12/12/10 fast skimmer transports with heavy armour.
- Price 140 for 165 to Vendetta.
- 3LT lascannons vs Brightlance and Pulse laser. Twin-linked three S9 vs three normal S8 shots (one Lance). Vendetta rules again.
- Capacity 12 to 6. V!
- 2 Heavy bolters > 1 Shuriken Cannon. Double the fun for V.
- Scout, Deep Strike, and possibility of throwing unit during flat out.
- Additional customization is a plus for Falcon (engines or holo-fields). Not popular, not so good (HF may be an exception), pricey but it's there. So a "win" for Falcon.
- Fast Attack vs Heavy Slot. Arguable but such a powerhouse not occupying HS is much better in my opinion.

Only 3TL brightlances cost more than this flying powerhouse..

Edit: ninjad hard by everybody..

Basically a ploy to make guard players go ' Oh my GAWD- win button! ' and buy lots and lots of 70.00 models

Echoing the Vendetta. I don't understand how the 30 points more it costs over a Valkyrie (which I find fairly priced) makes up for 3 twin linked lascannons. Considering one twin linked lascannon is around 65 for a Predator? Ridiculous.

Comparing the Falcon directly to the Vendetta doesn't really work. There's an edition gap and three years of game design changes. Don't forget how atrociously powerful the Falcon was when that book came out however. The Falcon was costed (undercosted) for 4th edition, where it was nigh unkillable. Once 5E came around it became significantly less capable. That said, If you remember facing Falcons in 2006, they were probably the most broken thing in the game.

Actually, I don't remember facing them because I'm fairly new to the game. Started around the launch of fifth edition.
I agree that 4E vs 5E is not a good choice but it is the closest vehicle I could think of stats and equipment wise.

Most of the big ones have been hit.

Vendetta
Chimera
Long Fangs
Grey Hunters

Was gonna say, what about Long Fangs?

Every space marine...

Kevin949 wrote:Every space marine...

Even Dark Angels Company veterans?

Polonius wrote:Most of the big ones have been hit.

Vendetta
Chimera
Long Fangs
Grey Hunters

The Chimera only really becomes bad when you pair it with certain units. On its own, its relatively fine. With Infantry Squads, its fine. When paired with Veterans and Company Command Squads is when it gets a bit silly.

It's kinda weird how that works out. Footslogging command squads and vets are...bad. A Chimera all on its onesy isn't really too much to write home about. Combine them, and they become very powerful.

Vaktathi wrote:

Polonius wrote:Most of the big ones have been hit.

Vendetta
Chimera
Long Fangs
Grey Hunters

The Chimera only really becomes bad when you pair it with certain units. On its own, its relatively fine. With Infantry Squads, its fine. When paired with Veterans and Company Command Squads is when it gets a bit silly.

It's kinda weird how that works out. Footslogging command squads and vets are...bad. A Chimera all on its onesy isn't really too much to write home about. Combine them, and they become very powerful.

I suppose, but vets are also good in valks, while chimeras are pretty good with anything other than an infantry squad in them. PCS with four flamers and chimera is 105pts of flambe!

Under priced?

Marbo. Jesus christ, Marbo.

The vets basically need a transport, and are often a suicide unit in a Valk. The 4x Flamer command squad is nice no doubt, but also often ends up disappearing the next turn as it needs to be very close to its target and often angled to present an AV10 facing to optimally engage an enemy unit. I think the Chimera would be seen in a different light if the fire points changed to being "2 transported guns +X additional *lasguns*" That would certainly crimp vet and command squad units, while not really making too much of a different to the units where its not really a problem with now (e.g. Stormtroopers, Infantry Squads, Ogryns, etc) and not making the Chimera back into the heap it used to be.

What kind of armour does the vendetta have?
i know very little about ig sorry.

taylor048 wrote:What kind of armour does the vendetta have?
i know very little about ig sorry.

12/12/10. Same as a Wave Serpent/Hellhound/Falcon/etc.

Chaos Lord Gir wrote:Under priced?

Marbo. Jesus christ, Marbo.

How much does Jesus Christ cost?

Heh. when I first saw the title of this thread, I thought "none, all the models are so damned expensive".

durr.

My buddy would argue the monolith is under-priced as well.

What about your ordinary ork boy?
6pts a model is pretty awesome for what they can do.
I mean kroot are 7pts each and blow pretty bad in comparison?

Belial of the Dark Angels is stupid undercosted, not even taking into account his special rules.

Kevin949 wrote:My buddy would argue the monolith is under-priced as well.

By itself, it probably is. It's incredibly capable for what it costs. However, given how poor the rest of the army is, it's sorta irrelevant, especially with the existence of Phaseout. That said, I'd expect it to become a bit more expensive in any new Necron codex in the future given that the rest of the army will likely become far more capable, though I could be wrong.

It's the same argument for Vulkan. On his own, he's amazingly undercosted, but works best at boosting units that are often slightly overcosted.

Honestly, I don't think the Necrons can get much better; I'd put the whole army up as underpriced at this point.

Well, Vulkan buffs pretty much most things, undercosted or not, that SM players typically take. If nothing else he's worth the extra points 20pts over a normal, similarly kitted Captain kitted for combat simply for his Heavy Flamer, getting to keep his pistol, and the wound reroll, nevermind buffing TH/SS termi's and most all of the infantry/dread carried weapons in such armies.

I've seen more IG armies without Chimeras than SM armies without Vulkan