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Slinky wrote:

Grot 6 wrote:We've already seen the sprues for the basic troops

Have "we"? Where?

My exact thoughts. WHERE?

Also re BoK - they talking out they azz!

A PDF sounds about right for the battlewomen. There is more $$$ to be made for GW elsewhere.

I called this months ago, the simple fact is GW wants the Witchhunters allies rules out but are in no great hurry to put out new SoB models.

Yeah a more charitable way to look at is they want the models to be just right, but let's face it if they were priority GW would have them out by now.

My bet is PDF this fall, codex and models next summer, then it's instantly out of date with 6th edition next fall. Keeping with the Sister's proud tradition of being the last codex in 2nd and 3rd edition.

So... we know that Jes Goodwin has been speaking about new plastic sisters sculpts (which has been reported by other sources) so here's my point of view: GW releasing new models and only a pdf or WD codex???

Bt!!!

Who could possibly trust that they've invested in the developpement and production of models (which is the most expensive part of an army production) and are not willing to sell real codexes (while we know how cheap is the book production compared to the rest of the army). Its GW we're talking about!

Edit:
K_K what would be the point of a pdf release 6 month before a codex release?

The thing is if their plan was to release a PDF to get rid of the allies rule, why didn't they just do that when they put the old 3rd ed codex online instead of specifically saying you could use your old book if you wanted to? The last time they did a placeholder book it was the Warriors of Chaos book and it was incredibly bare bones. Just basic unit stuff and like 5 magic items. There's no reason they couldn't have been pumped out a Sisters of Battle version in like an afternoon when they removed the codex from shelves so why release this now almost a year later? The problem everyone bitched about with the allies rules was the Mystic anyway and he's been nerfed into oblivion.

TBD wrote:A PDF sounds about right for the battlewomen. There is more $$$ to be made for GW elsewhere.

Nice we are at the point in every Sisters thread where people claim an army that was unsupported for a decade with no new models, almost nothing in any expansion and no presence in the official narrative outside of Fantasy Flight RPGs is shockingly unpopular so it should be removed in favor of stuff that's already established (more Marines/stuff they play).

Hyenajoe wrote:
K_K what would be the point of a pdf release 6 month before a codex release?

In the case of WoC the old book included a large amount of stuff that was suddenly their own separate armies (demons and beastmen). In order to fix this problem they made a quick list that would make sure people could still play their old army, but wouldn't be buying up models they wouldn't be able to use when the updated Warriors book was released. That was not a bad strategy and I appreciated the honestly (they could have just left the book hanging and screwed new players that bought demon models they would no longer include in their lists).

In the case of Sisters, unless this new codex is radically different I just don't see the point of a stand by list. Allies are being removed which is a given, but they aren't an integral part of the army, just a page. It's something easily removed (and was from the online PDF). I highly doubt they are removing any of the current options from the Sisters army since most are very basic so releasing a special White Dwarf army list when the 3rd edition codex exists and will probably be mostly the same in terms of which models can be used doesn't make sense.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I called this months ago, the simple fact is GW wants the Witchhunters allies rules out but are in no great hurry to put out new SoB models.

Yeah a more charitable way to look at is they want the models to be just right, but let's face it if they were priority GW would have them out by now.

My bet is PDF this fall, codex and models next summer, then it's instantly out of date with 6th edition next fall. Keeping with the Sister's proud tradition of being the last codex in 2nd and 3rd edition.

It may be that the reason for delay is so the Codex and models can be released alongside 6th and not be instantly out of date. It is likely that 40K will switch to hardback once 6th comes around. GW might be waiting so that the Sisters get their hardback book done and out of the way knowing that they won't be redone anytime soon.

Incidentally KK, can we have a preview of Codex Girl Marines?

Flashman wrote:
It may be that the reason for delay is so the Codex and models can be released alongside 6th and not be instantly out of date. It is likely that 40K will switch to hardback once 6th comes around. GW might be waiting so that the Sisters get their hardback book done and out of the way knowing that they won't be redone anytime soon.

Incidentally KK, can we have a preview of Codex Girl Marines?

How can there be a delay as no codex has been announced. i seriously doubt we will get a PDF or WD codex and no sane Sisters player should want one as it would likely mean that we won't see a real codex for years. It would be silly to publish one only to relase one in 6 months to a year. Such a codex will not sell any current models unless the codex is so awesome as to defy description. To begin selling Sisters they need new plastics and plenty of them like the Dark Eldar got. If they look that good and the codex is decent enough I'm sure they will sell very nicely.

Absent plastic I may be the only one looking forward to resin, for easier converting of these guys vs. metal.

I thought the whole resin thing was determined to be BS?

Plastic isn't gonna be absent, though. Most Sisters models use the same basic model anyway, and they're making a plastic version of that (as has been noted many times).

I wouldn't mind resin instead of metal for special characters and other non-plastic bits though. It'd be a pain to clean at first, but it's better than dealing with metal.

We ain't gettin' a PDF codex. That was just BoK pulling something out of their arse.

A white dwarf codex makes absolutely no sense when instead they could simply update the FAQ to reflect the new point costs until the next codex.

Heck I would be happy to just see the rhino point cost adjusted as well as the repressor, with forge-world rules, become available through a FAQ.

The current sister codex is decent, more units would be fun, but the codex is still competitive in it's current state. Having adjusted point cost would put us on par with most of the 5th edition codex.

withershadow wrote:

bhsman wrote:Competitive tournament lists are a terrible barometer of what units are used, hope this helps.

Um, no?

I think you will find that the hobby is much larger than the very vocal internet 'competive' crowd espouses. Not to mention that a lot of 'terrible' units are used by folks who are very successful. Check out a lot of the wins by folks with Chaos armies who use unusual choices that most folks list as horrible or underpowered.

Internet wisdom is neither rarely wise in the real world.

couldnt agree more with pretre on that one!

pretre wrote:

withershadow wrote:

bhsman wrote:Competitive tournament lists are a terrible barometer of what units are used, hope this helps.

Um, no?

I think you will find that the hobby is much larger than the very vocal internet 'competive' crowd espouses. Not to mention that a lot of 'terrible' units are used by folks who are very successful. Check out a lot of the wins by folks with Chaos armies who use unusual choices that most folks list as horrible or underpowered.

Internet wisdom is neither rarely wise in the real world.

Except, you are largely wrong. The stuff that gets tournament use vastly outsells the hobby models. If the rules were not important, then everyone would just model whatever they wanted and convert any old VDR thing they desired. There are people who buy everything (even I own a Pyrovore, Shining Spears, and Scout Sentinals), but by and large its the good stuff that moves off the shelves. Take a little count of how many Razorbacks and Hive Guard move off the shelves at the gaming store, versus the Honor Guard and Pyrovores, and you will clearly see this in real world practice.

Phazael wrote:Except, you are largely wrong. The stuff that gets tournament use vastly outsells the hobby models. If the rules were not important, then everyone would just model whatever they wanted and convert any old VDR thing they desired. There are people who buy everything (even I own a Pyrovore, Shining Spears, and Scout Sentinals), but by and large its the good stuff that moves off the shelves. Take a little count of how many Razorbacks and Hive Guard move off the shelves at the gaming store, versus the Honor Guard and Pyrovores, and you will clearly see this in real world practice.

Want to back this up with some sales numbers or some other, even if limited, proof of my wrongness? Or are we just going to go with 'I think more Razorbacks and Hive Guard sell.'?

I always figured GW stayed in business selling to people who bought whatever, never bothered to paint or assemble it, and then kept doing that.

Manchu wrote:I always figured GW stayed in business selling to people who bought whatever, never bothered to paint or assemble it, and then kept doing that.

Not sure if you're being serious, but I imagine there is a fair amount of that. I wonder if anyone has studied it at all. A lot of kids buy stuff and never put it together or put it together poorly and go pew pew a lot. (My brother did this when he was 12-14.) Not to mention the addicts who have shelves of NIB product they haven't gotten around to painting/assembling.

lol

Not to mention the addicts who have shelves of NIB product they haven't gotten around to painting/assembling.

That applies to me and virtually every hobby "vet" that I know. And it isn't for lack of trying to get to it. We're all working on something all the time, but when you're excited about working on projects you're also excited about acquiring more, especially with so many exciting new releases the past few years, so the pile never gets smaller.

Yeah, I was referring to myself.

Manchu wrote:Yeah, I was referring to myself.

Well, the good news is that you have taken the first step in admitting that you have a problem.

I think step 2 is realizing that the Emperor protects. The problems is that steps 3 - 12 all involve buying more models . . .

We need a better 12 step program.

At least it isn't M30+... Step 1 is admit you have a problem. Step 2 is exterminatus.

Oy, that's a bummer. I thought someone was talking about how the viels and stuff looked so great, and that the sleeves were causing problems or something...

I could care less about the codex, as long as the models are good, but if there's no models, there's no nothing

Also, why would GW do that when the sisters just got a new book?

Samus_aran115 wrote:Also, why would GW do that when the sisters just got a new book?

Come again?

Samus_aran115 wrote:Oy, that's a bummer. I thought someone was talking about how the viels and stuff looked so great, and that the sleeves were causing problems or something...

They were. The guess is that they are still causing problems and there is a delay.

Also, why would GW do that when the sisters just got a new book?

Sisters haven't gotten a new book since C: WH.

Flashman wrote:
It may be that the reason for delay is so the Codex and models can be released alongside 6th and not be instantly out of date. It is likely that 40K will switch to hardback once 6th comes around. GW might be waiting so that the Sisters get their hardback book done and out of the way knowing that they won't be redone anytime soon.

Yes but the SoBs have always gotten a half-assed to quarter-assed release. They were the last of the 2nd edition codexes and even then it was an 'allies' book, not a full army. Then they got 2 Chapter Approved lists in 3rd edition then and an instantly out of date codex with almost no plastics. And nothing since 2004.

It's a catch 22. With such shoddy support their sales must be low. With low sales it's hard to convince management to put time and money into developing them, not while Codex Black Space Marines is a possibility.

Obviously there are people in the studio who like them and are working on them but I doubt they are allowed to make it their first priority.

So yeah, I think we'll get a PDF and the full codex and plastics will be kicked further down the road.

Incidentally KK, can we have a preview of Codex Girl Marines?

Ask and you shall receive...



It was my sig a while back. The Shiny Space Marines are getting a bit old, who next?

Tau Crisis Suits as Anime Space Marines? Failing that, Space Sharks.

haha! Great KK, love the Girl Space Marines one, genius. One of your best IMHO.

I'm feeling Blood Angels could be due as they're dangerously close to becoming GW's new poster boys.

This thread has been purged off quite a bit off-topic conversation and has been re-opened because it is a topic that many people are interested in and would like to participate in a discussion about.

With that said, please refrain from hyperbole as much as you can (I know, its the internet, but please try!). If you don't like the idea of a certain games designer writing something, that's fine. If you don't like the idea of a stop-gap army list, that's fine. And if you don't like someone else's opinion on these things, that's fine as well.

But please remember to remain polite and friendly in your discussions at all times. For god's sake, this is a hobby revolving around TOY SOLDIERS.


With that said, carry on...

Kirasu wrote:Seems plausible that SoB would get a rules-only dex in white dwarf. Theyre obviously one of the least popular army given the lack of attention over the past decade

If i were a sob player I would love any update even if you dont get all new fluff to read (is that really a loss?)

Although I dont think they'd get a 6th ed book.. That may be contingent on the popularity of the minidex

Least popular army?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Have you ever seen anything cooler than 'nuns with guns'.

I cant see why GW would not make a new codex for SoB. Due to the fact that they have not been redone for like EVER it would be like a whole new army being released with not that much work being needed to be done. They could just use some of the current sculpts as a base turn them to plastic and update a few of the rules. Plus with the new grey knights it would be a good time to do them about this time next year.