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bhsman wrote:
BoK gave us the rumors about 2-wound (with access to FNP) Terminators and S7 Rending Psycannons months before anyone else. Mind telling me a bit of Stickmonkey-unique info that panned out?

They also said that those terminators would all have 2+ invul... not the warding staff that gives ONE model a 2+

When someone throws stuff out as often as they do, some of it will pan out. Just like a horoscope.

As for "Stickmonkey-unique," I've seen the BoK dude rip the same stuff Stick posts but tries to make it his own by adding stuff... ***EDIT*** Hard core ninja'd by Kirasu***EDIT***

I'm not ripping on him for doing it: it certainly has garnered him a massive following quickly and been very nice for his website - kudos to him in that regard. I just check expectations at the door... as I do with most rumors. I do say though, Stick's posts are succinct and while they are general to an extent, he's not just adding stuff for flavor.

From as little posting and mostly lurking I do across the net, I'd say that stick has a better track record... not to mention he has less of an attitude about his rumors that I can't say the same for BoK.

Kirasu wrote:Regarding BoKs GK rumors.. They were posted on this very forum before they were on that blog just people didnt give them much credit :p He got the info from the same place as the rest.. just later

Sure it's not the other way around? Even then they provided rumors on a somewhat consistent basis that either backed up some sources or were unique; ie they were the first to point out that Warding Staves only worked in CC, not all the time, while everyone was flipping out over the playtest 'dex.

Good to see people still being bad about SoB Codex.

I gotta say i am not even remotely considering this to be true. Gw are done with white dwarf codexes and the like, and the sisters will get a proper release, if at all.
The half-hearted attempts at pitching armies through WD is a thing of the past. The company has moved on.

wyomingfox wrote:

Phazael wrote:No Cruddace. Please. I already have 5k of Nids sitting on the shelves in my garage. I don't want to have my wife's decade old 5k of sisters keeping them company up there.

He also wrote the IG codex...

Yes, and for all of that codex's power, it is full of very stupid choices and bonehead moves. It is as internally inconsistent as the 'Nid codex, it just has the advantage of not being further neutered by a punitive FAQ.

If anyone has surfed the Black Library lately you may have noticed they have announced a new SoB novel coming not too far down the pike. And in my observation there does seem to often be a link between the novels and codex/product etc. releases.. Perhaps that puts one more tick mark on True side of this rumor (?). Shrug.

Considering the WD BA codex was 7 kinds of horrible, I fear for the SOB.

Which was really disappointing- I remember getting WD's when they were actually interesting- when new armies, new rules and all kinds of actual cool stuff was published.

Lets hope they step it up this time.

Well, the BA codex was written during a very different time in GW's methodology. Mainly their approach was focusing on streamlining and simplifying their product in response to the criticism that they've turned back on their promise of 3rd edition being a much simpler and more streamlined game (which it was, for a very brief time, before the crazy bloat of custom armies and chapters took hold) .

(okay, maybe not so different, these things come and go in cycles, I'm sure the Wardian bloat will eventually reach such epic proportions that the next batch of books will be back to blandsville)

Nurgle's Head Cheese wrote:If anyone has surfed the Black Library lately you may have noticed they have announced a new SoB novel coming not too far down the pike. And in my observation there does seem to often be a link between the novels and codex/product etc. releases.. Perhaps that puts one more tick mark on True side of this rumor (?). Shrug.

That's an interesting point.

It does seem strange that the site has gone down just after posting the rumour, maybe he was contact by GW legal and did it himself so he could ascertain exactly what content he needed to remove?

Aetherse wrote:I honestly don't get why so many are so freaked out because of this.

Because it would mean GW is giving us everything we don't want (loss of the armoury, loss of allies), and nothing we do want (new fluff, plastics).

Nurgle's Head Cheese wrote:If anyone has surfed the Black Library lately you may have noticed they have announced a new SoB novel coming not too far down the pike. And in my observation there does seem to often be a link between the novels and codex/product etc. releases.. Perhaps that puts one more tick mark on True side of this rumor (?). Shrug.

No. That only suggests the Sisters are getting an update soon. It does not provide any evidence that it's going to be the lazy effort BoK suggests.

This is all sorts of fail. There's nothing inherently wrong with the codex. Releasing one without any way to reasonably collect the actual models if completely foolish.

There's literally 0% chance they release a SoB codex of any sort without doing something with the models, nobody is going to play it if they have to pay like $8 per infantry model.

Pacific wrote:It does seem strange that the site has gone down just after posting the rumour, maybe he was contact by GW legal and did it himself so he could ascertain exactly what content he needed to remove?

According to a different forum... ( Here: Bindi Baji posted it ) it's something else... what it was though, was not mentioned... so as far as validity goes, I can't be sure.

He probably just forgot to pay his bills.

BoK back online.

I don't play SoB, but I'll also agree that I would take the WD codex now, over having to wait years to get another full fledged update.

I guess I would too if I absolutely had to, but it doesn't make sense IMO.Two issues of WD cost almost as much a codex with a lot crap in between. No models? That would be insane. I'd rather wait an extra six months to get new plastic models and a good codex. A new WD codex isn't going to make the current models sell any faster unless the codex is so awesome as to destroy all other armies.

andrewm9 wrote:A new WD codex isn't going to make the current models sell any faster unless the codex is so awesome as to destroy all other armies.

...and includes lotto numbers so people will actually be willing to pay 50 pounds for 10 monopose metal models that are older than Google.

To be fair, they could do a temporary update to the rules that includes updates to pricing and the new style without a complete revamp in a WD. Basically C:WH with allies out and converting everything in the old 'dex to 5th Ed. (Maybe include an update to Zealots for 5th.)

That wouldn't be too bad (although I'd miss allies) and would tide me over until they finish the real codex.

My guess, if this is true, is that there have been further delays to the models and they are buying time.

withershadow wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:

Phazael wrote:No Cruddace. Please. I already have 5k of Nids sitting on the shelves in my garage. I don't want to have my wife's decade old 5k of sisters keeping them company up there.

He also wrote the IG codex...

Yes, and for all of that codex's power, it is full of very stupid choices and bonehead moves. It is as internally inconsistent as the 'Nid codex, it just has the advantage of not being further neutered by a punitive FAQ.

This. Plus he actually likes and plays guard so he remembered to put competitive units in the book. His ability to balance costs is atrocious, at best. For as competitive as the current IG book is, you really only see less than 1/6th of it ever used.

pretre wrote:To be fair, they could do a temporary update to the rules that includes updates to pricing and the new style without a complete revamp in a WD. Basically C:WH with allies out and converting everything in the old 'dex to 5th Ed. (Maybe include an update to Zealots for 5th.)

That wouldn't be too bad (although I'd miss allies) and would tide me over until they finish the real codex.

My guess, if this is true, is that there have been further delays to the models and they are buying time.

To me its a waste of an effort (and an excuse to not give us a real update if it is true) and I have zero belief that this rumor is true. Sisters players should not want this as it likley means we won't get a real update for another 3 to 5 years IMO.

Phazael wrote:

withershadow wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:

Phazael wrote:No Cruddace. Please. I already have 5k of Nids sitting on the shelves in my garage. I don't want to have my wife's decade old 5k of sisters keeping them company up there.

He also wrote the IG codex...

Yes, and for all of that codex's power, it is full of very stupid choices and bonehead moves. It is as internally inconsistent as the 'Nid codex, it just has the advantage of not being further neutered by a punitive FAQ.

This. Plus he actually likes and plays guard so he remembered to put competitive units in the book. His ability to balance costs is atrocious, at best. For as competitive as the current IG book is, you really only see less than 1/6th of it ever used.

Unlike every other book?

andrewm9 wrote:To me its a waste of an effort (and an excuse to not give us a real update if it is true) and I have zero belief that this rumor is true. Sisters players should not want this as it likley means we won't get a real update for another 3 to 5 years IMO.

To you. For me, as a sisters player, I would love a cost update. I believe that the delay is happening whether you get a WD dex or not, so why not get something out of the deal? I've waited this long for a full revamp, I can wait longer.

As well, this wouldn't be the first time I've played with a WD codex for sisters. Anyone who has been around for a while used the C: CA list and before that the Big Black Book list. In some ways, the C: CA is more of what I think of as Sisters (I still had my Reds then).

I think alot of people are getting in to a fuss just because the codex is a pdf and WD release. The fact that its spread between months implies to me a meaningful miniature release and not just a rerelease. I think people need to just consider this as wave 1, but with a physical codex released in "wave 2."

I think Cruddace deserves a little more credit as a new rules author. His first book, Imperial Guard, was received as too strong and his second book, Tyranids, looks like it was a push back against it (it also doesn't help that the two books he wrote exemplify either the extreme strengths and weaknesses of an edition that heavily favors vehicles). Tomb Kings, on the other hand, seems to be well-received as an 'update' to 8th edition rather than reinventing the wheel like a certain someone...

Even then Cruddace tends to write good fluff. Tau meeting Necrons for the first time in the Tyranid codex?

CT GAMER wrote:
"Bodice of St. Domina"

"master-crafted push-up bra"

etc.

As for the two characters: my bet is Jacobus and Kyrinov

So they are going the same way a tomb raider. I knew it. Increasing bust size with every issue just to 'push up' sales.

This is fantastic marketing genius.

Sounds plausible to me.

Especially if as already suggested its an excuse to drop all the Inquisition stuff as a pre-warning of what folks are going to expect in the proper codex, ala WoC.

If this rumor is true they should just cut out the middle man and squat the army or just leave the 3rd edition codex as official until the end of time since it's clear they don't care about the continued life of the Sisters of Battle line. Little to no new models and a crappy release where you have no book in stores to sell means no one will pick up the army to play. Also why break up the "release" into two issues? So I can use half the army for a month until I get the rest? A hold over is stupid as well since it's not like Sisters players (and Dark Eldar and Necrons) haven't waited almost 10 years for an updated codex. Why does it need a "get you by" list RIGHT NOW?

SoB had a crappy White Dwarf list and barebones re-release of models before back when 3rd edition came out and no one noticed at all. It's a huge waste of time. This rumor is ridiculous but I don't have enough faith in the company to think they won't do something this monumentally terrible.

Also Cruddace blows and I really hope he's not working on this "book". Tomb Kings is lame as hell.

The resin thing is total BS though which is why I don't really think this has any real basis as truth hopefully.

bhsman wrote:I think Cruddace deserves a little more credit as a new rules author. His first book, Imperial Guard, was received as too strong and his second book, Tyranids, looks like it was a push back against it (it also doesn't help that the two books he wrote exemplify either the extreme strengths and weaknesses of an edition that heavily favors vehicles). Tomb Kings, on the other hand, seems to be well-received as an 'update' to 8th edition rather than reinventing the wheel like a certain someone...

Even then Cruddace tends to write good fluff. Tau meeting Necrons for the first time in the Tyranid codex?

Actually, Tomb Kings are not overly well received from what I can tell, at least not by people that actually played Tomb Kings. He stripped away a lot of their unique identity (such as their funky magic), and made them like everybody else. There are already a few units people are starting to focus on to the exclusion of all else. Their popularity these days stems mainly from the super awesome models.

I'm not sure if Guard are "too strong". Honestly the whole Leafblower thing was overblown, no pun intended, especially considering the original list was garbage and just lucked out in having idiot opponents. Look at the recent tournament results, 90% of the top 10 are still power armor armies, and Space Wolves rule the roost. The codex itself has a lot of weak-spots, such as a horrendous elites section except for Marbo and the situational PBS, and overpriced special characters (the ogre bodyguard is literally the most overcosted model in the whole damn game).

As for this "pushback" effect, it makes me worry about the rumored Kelly-written Sisters of Battle codex. His Space Wolves were atrociously balanced and super powerful (hurray for best point-for-point HQ, elites, troops and heavy support in the game! they'd have the most point-effective fast attack too, if vendettas didn't exist). Considering how there were around 50 armies at Adepticon that "counted as" Space Wolves and like 3 SW players in the top 5, they'll probably try to "balance" the Sisters codex by making it cruddy.

Ixquic wrote:If this rumor is true they should just cut out the middle man and squat the army or just leave the 3rd edition codex as official until the end of time since it's clear they don't care about the continued life of the Sisters of Battle line. Little to no new models and a crappy release where you have no book in stores to sell means no one will pick up the army to play. Also why break up the "release" into two issues? So I can use half the army for a month until I get the rest? A hold over is stupid as well since it's not like Sisters players (and Dark Eldar and Necrons) haven't waited almost 10 years for an updated codex. Why does it need a "get you by" list RIGHT NOW?

Wow. Tell us how you really feel?

SoB had a crappy White Dwarf list and barebones re-release of models before back when 3rd edition came out and no one noticed at all. It's a huge waste of time. This rumor is ridiculous but I don't have enough faith in the company to think they won't do something this monumentally terrible.

The Codex: Chapter Approved list was actually pretty good. People noticed because it made it a viable army and not just a black book army.

Also Cruddace blows and I really hope he's not working on this "book". Tomb Kings is lame as hell.

The resin thing is total BS though which is why I don't really think this has any real basis as truth hopefully.

I dub thee, Captain Positivity!

What is there to be positive about? The only bright side to this rumor is the thought that MAYBE this is a stop gap until a real book comes out but that's just a wish and not indicated by the rumor at all. I don't know how anyone can be excited by a bone being thrown in the form of a crappy army list. The WoC stand by was lame and about as barebones as you could get; it was designed simply to let people use models until the real book came out. If you think that an army GW doesn't feel needs new models, a place in store shelves or even an actual book will result in anything but the most basic boring army you are deluded. I don't have a lot of faith in the guy that took Tomb Kings and removed the most iconic part of the army (its magic system) to make a Sisters army list provided for "free" that is interesting.

The way to feel positive about this rumor is to hope it has no validity.