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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/12 15:21:40
Subject: Why are Heavy Bolters so common?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Yep. This one is obviously a heavy autocannon of sorts, while Bragg's was a light autocannons. I think the tripod mounted version or the carriage mounted version are probably the norm, with the Ghosts using the lighter version because they're a scout regiment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/12 20:14:47
Subject: Why are Heavy Bolters so common?
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Melissia wrote:Yep. This one is obviously a heavy autocannon of sorts, while Bragg's was a light autocannons. I think the tripod mounted version or the carriage mounted version are probably the norm, with the Ghosts using the lighter version because they're a scout regiment.
Actually I believe he was carrying an assault cannon, even lighter than a light autocannon, though still enormously heavy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/13 00:44:19
Subject: Why are Heavy Bolters so common?
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Veteran Inquisitor with Xenos Alliances
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I think the consideration needs to be made... how heavy is an autocannon? and how heavy is a assault cannonr? The closest thing to a modern man portable autocannon is about 75lbs, but even still a mini-gun is only about 35lbs. Caliber has a larger impact on weapon weight than almost anything else. Single-handedly operating an assault cannon is thus easier to believe. A light autocannon would have to be in the neighborhood of 40lbs for even an above average person to effectively shoulder and fire it accurately.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/13 00:53:20
Subject: Re:Why are Heavy Bolters so common?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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75 pounds is well within the range for a really buff guy to carry around, especially if he has some shoulder straps to dispirse the weight.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/13 01:41:27
Subject: Why are Heavy Bolters so common?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Sure, but try carrying that around all day long. AND the ammuniion needed to fire it. Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, assault cannons are 60 kg, while a man-portable autocannon is 55kg. The assault cannon also costs about seven times as much, heh. As I suggested, Bragg was likely using a much lighter version because the Ghosts are a scout regiment. Which translates to roughly 132 lbs for the assault cannon and 121 lbs for the Autocannon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/13 02:24:31
Subject: Why are Heavy Bolters so common?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
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Melissia wrote:Sure, but try carrying that around all day long.
AND the ammunition needed to fire it.
Also, assault cannons are 60 kg, while a man-portable autocannon is 55kg. The assault cannon also costs about seven times as much, heh. As I suggested, Bragg was likely using a much lighter version because the Ghosts are a scout regiment.
Which translates to roughly 132 lbs for the assault cannon and 121 lbs for the Autocannon.
Bragg was using one "lifted" from a defensive emplacement established by a previous regiment.
It's safe to say that it's not a "light" autocannon. The Ghosts do have autocannons proper though, just they forego the heavy tripods and use bipods instead.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/13 02:26:12
Subject: Re:Why are Heavy Bolters so common?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Ok, Abnett took some liberties with the Autocannon.
He might have meant Heavy Stubber. he appears to use the 2 terms fairly interchangably.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/13 02:46:30
Subject: Re:Why are Heavy Bolters so common?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Grey Templar wrote:Ok, Abnett took some liberties with the Autocannon.
He might have meant Heavy Stubber. he appears to use the 2 terms fairly interchangably.
No, he really doesn't.
He makes references to stubbers mostly in Eisenhorn and the Gereon arc of books. They're not very good against anything with decent armor.
Autocannons are almost exclusively mentioned in the Ghosts, and they're almost always something where one person carries the gun(usually a brawnier member) and the other carries the ammunition. The weapons teams are almost always mentioned as being dug into crude foxholes, usually with their camo cloaks draped over the foxhole for extra cover.
Bragg is the only person who Gaunt has seen firing an autocannon, while moving and hefting it, without the assistance of power armor or bracing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/13 02:47:39
Subject: Re:Why are Heavy Bolters so common?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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I suppose so.
either way, darn awsome books.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/13 02:52:45
Subject: Why are Heavy Bolters so common?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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I think that's an important distinction to make, frankly.
Bragg was supposed to be a big beefy dude, much like Harker. They're able to move a heavy weapon and fire it without bracing or power armor. Are they accurate? No, not really. But they have a buttload of ammunition to use.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/13 03:12:07
Subject: Why are Heavy Bolters so common?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Right, Bragg was supposed to be a beast of a man.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/13 22:52:03
Subject: Why are Heavy Bolters so common?
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Ferocious Blood Claw
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Cause they're friggin awesome
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