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nectarprime wrote:

MrH wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

MrH wrote:Posting in the 3rd person is nearly as annoying as smoking in public.

Yet no where near as annoying as Non-Smokers who think they own "Public"...

Non smokers aren't risking your health and stinking up the place, though.

If you're that scared about your health, better stop using a cellphone, being anywhere near a CRT monitor, eating anything that's not organic, being anywhere near a car that is running, going out in the sun, etc.

So you're comparing stuff you need to do to live a "normal" life to sucking in some ignorant fools second hand smoke? OK.

What he's saying is that breathing the OCCASIONAL second hand smoke wont affect you. If you situate yourself near someone who is smoking non-stop then it is you who is ignorant.

Really starting to see what some people are on about when they talk about "self-righteous ex-smokers"

I'm not an ex smoker, just FYI.

Here's an example of what I meant ...
" While exiting my car, in a public parking lot, some fellow asked me ( in a snotty self rightous tone) if I would "please put that nasty thing out" ( indicating the cigarette I had in my mouth)...
Now he's standing at least fifteen feet away, in a lot filled with car exhaust...but somehow my cigarette is endangering him...right.
...I enjoyed the look on his face when I advised him to go perform a series of indecent actions on himself...
Apparently he was as sensitive about profanity as he was about smoke.

But still, you feel that you must try everything possible to remove what enjoyment some people have in smoking?? If it bothers you so much, then you should get rid of all of your smoker friends, so that it never gets into your flat or apartment, because if you ask a "friend" to not smoke in your place, but they do it anyway, they really arent friends.
There is also this thing called moving.. if you are going some place and someone else is smoking, you can move. It's their right to smoke, unless of course they are smoking in a no smoking area, in which case you are well within your rights to ask them to move.

As to the cost of smoking, yeah, its expensive, if you let it be. My own habit costs me less than 20 dollars per month to smoke cigars. yes, that 200 dollars a year could be "better" spent elsewhere, but I get enjoyment from this hobby. Of course, there are guys who are a carton a week smokers and obviously, they spend quite a lot more, but ultimately who are YOU to tell them what they can and cannot spend their hard earned (or not so hard earned) money on? If we can go around saying that people cannot buy cigarettes, cigars, or chewing tobacco, then who's to say that someone else is 'offended' by our "plastic army men" hobby, and keep us from partaking/buying them?

If you're outside in a place that isn't designated as non-smoking, and more than 10 feet away from someone and start hassling them about their cigarette then you are a complete fool.

I say this as a non-smoker. Well, ex smoker.

God I want one.

Cannerus just had his favorite gak to smoke get banned.

Cannerus is pissed about it.

Monster Rain wrote:If you're outside in a place that isn't designated as non-smoking, and more than 10 feet away from someone and start hassling them about their cigarette then you are a complete fool.

I say this as a non-smoker. Well, ex smoker.

God I want one.

According to the same Stanford University study that the city of New York used in their smoking ban law, a person must be within 3-4 feet of a smoker AND down wind to get ANY harmful effects from second hand smoke. If you are upwind, no harmful effects at all. Now, if you are indoors, it's a whole other matter about wind direction and proximity, but I can generally get on board with most places "indoor" smoking laws. Where I am in Germany has done things the "most" correct of places I've been... Basically, smoking inside is banned, but clubs and bars, and pubs can designate a "smoking" room that is completely segregated from the rest of the establishment.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:If we can go around saying that people cannot buy cigarettes, cigars, or chewing tobacco, then who's to say that someone else is 'offended' by our "plastic army men" hobby, and keep us from partaking/buying them?

That would be a valid argument if miniatures stunk and caused cancer, but they don't.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:Now, if you are indoors, it's a whole other matter about wind direction and proximity, but I can generally get on board with most places "indoor" smoking laws. Where I am in Germany has done things the "most" correct of places I've been... Basically, smoking inside is banned, but clubs and bars, and pubs can designate a "smoking" room that is completely segregated from the rest of the establishment.

Sure, I'm fine with indoor smoking bans. I wish it was left up to individual establishments instead of the government, but that's a discussion for another thread I think.

MrH wrote:

Ensis Ferrae wrote:If we can go around saying that people cannot buy cigarettes, cigars, or chewing tobacco, then who's to say that someone else is 'offended' by our "plastic army men" hobby, and keep us from partaking/buying them?

That would be a valid argument if miniatures stunk and caused cancer, but they don't.

Being an obnoxious prick who needs to force their beliefs on everyone is far more likely to send you to the grave than smoking.

At least, if you have the balls to say it to my face than over the internet of course.

MrH wrote:

Ensis Ferrae wrote:If we can go around saying that people cannot buy cigarettes, cigars, or chewing tobacco, then who's to say that someone else is 'offended' by our "plastic army men" hobby, and keep us from partaking/buying them?

That would be a valid argument if miniatures stunk and caused cancer, but they don't.

Don't be too hasty.

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Karon wrote:

MrH wrote:

Ensis Ferrae wrote:If we can go around saying that people cannot buy cigarettes, cigars, or chewing tobacco, then who's to say that someone else is 'offended' by our "plastic army men" hobby, and keep us from partaking/buying them?

That would be a valid argument if miniatures stunk and caused cancer, but they don't.

Being an obnoxious prick who needs to force their beliefs on everyone is far more likely to send you to the grave than smoking.

I don't think that's true.

Karon wrote:

MrH wrote:

Ensis Ferrae wrote:If we can go around saying that people cannot buy cigarettes, cigars, or chewing tobacco, then who's to say that someone else is 'offended' by our "plastic army men" hobby, and keep us from partaking/buying them?

That would be a valid argument if miniatures stunk and caused cancer, but they don't.

Being an obnoxious prick who needs to force their beliefs on everyone is far more likely to send you to the grave than smoking.

HARD AS NAILS SMOKER.

MrH wrote:

Ensis Ferrae wrote:If we can go around saying that people cannot buy cigarettes, cigars, or chewing tobacco, then who's to say that someone else is 'offended' by our "plastic army men" hobby, and keep us from partaking/buying them?

That would be a valid argument if miniatures stunk and caused cancer, but they don't.

Ahhh, but many of the miniatures owners reek worse than any pack a day smoker could ever aspire to, I'll take the smell of smoke over unwashed neckbeard any day.

FITZZ wrote:

MrH wrote:

Ensis Ferrae wrote:If we can go around saying that people cannot buy cigarettes, cigars, or chewing tobacco, then who's to say that someone else is 'offended' by our "plastic army men" hobby, and keep us from partaking/buying them?

That would be a valid argument if miniatures stunk and caused cancer, but they don't.

Ahhh, but many of the miniatures owners reek worse than any pack a day smoker could ever aspire to, I'll take the smell of smoke over unwashed neckbeard any day.

Smokers can't smell how awful they smell, the same way dirty people can't, so you can't really say they smell worse than you do. You need a clean, non smoker to be a fair judge.

MrH wrote:
That would be a valid argument if miniatures stunk and caused cancer, but they don't.

Stinks to you?? I, and those I smoke with quite enjoy the smell of an actively lit cigar, to us, it is quite aromatic. Determining what smells bad, and what doesnt, is the individual doing an action. This doesnt give someone else the right to get hostile in another's face because it offends their sensibilities.

And who knows, somewhere down the line, the Surgeon General here in the US will come out with a statement saying that "plastic miniatures are now known to have harmful effects to humans, including various cancers or death." Afterall, just about everywhere you turn, the SG has said just about everything causes cancer.

I would bet cash money that the majority of people would take smoker smell over gamer funk, any day of the week.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:

MrH wrote:
That would be a valid argument if miniatures stunk and caused cancer, but they don't.

Stinks to you?? I, and those I smoke with quite enjoy the smell of an actively lit cigar, to us, it is quite aromatic.

I'm sure there's people that enjoy the smell of gak, but I doubt you'd want them enjoying the aroma near you.

Monster Rain wrote:I would bet cash money that the majority of people would take smoker smell over gamer funk, any day of the week.

In my unit, I am subjected to both.. There are some seriously nasty fethers in the Army, and none of the nasty ones are smokers. ALL the smokers in my unit do not smell like smoke. With good hygiene, it is not hard to be TFG in regards to smell.

Monster Rain wrote:I would bet cash money that the majority of people would take smoker smell over gamer funk, any day of the week.

Hell, that's a sucker bet...despite those who seem to believe otherwise...
The non smokers that I know have no trouble hugging me when I enter a room/bar/party..etc..
I'm 100% sure they would gag if they got close to some of the folks I've encountered in FLGS.

I think we can agree you're both vile

Yep, I'm a scotch drinking, cigar smoking, tatted up vile, evil person

frankly, I wouldn't have it any other way. At least I dont smell bad (unless I have a cigar in hand )

And by "both" I meant smokers and dirty people, not you and Fitzz, although you're both smokers so.....

If you don't want to wash your balls at home, fine, but if you're coming on the bus you better soak those bad boys before leaving the house.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:Yep, I'm a scotch drinking, cigar smoking, tatted up vile, evil person

frankly, I wouldn't have it any other way. At least I dont smell bad (unless I have a cigar in hand )

Well, I don't smoke cigars or drink scotch, I'm a cigarette and whiskey man myself, but I have the tatted up /evil bases covered...can I still be vile.

Smokers only really smell of smoke when they smoke a lot and don't clean themselves, don't change clothes, only just had one a few seconds ago, or spend most of their time inside a smokey area. Most my friends smoke and they really don't smell that bad. Sure, you can smell something, but it's not nearly as bad as someone who doesn't wash. When I visited some family a while ago there were 5 people smoking in a small room for half a day and I literally got sick of the smell on them.
It all depends on what they smoke, how much, where they smoke, and how many there are at the same time.

Smacks wrote:I gave up smoking by using an electronic cigarette. I didn't use it as a replacement. Just something I could turn to instead of a cigarette for when I really wanted to smoke.

I personally think nicotine patches etc... are useless. The idea that smokers continue to smoke because they are addicted to nicotine must be one of the biggest fallacies ever. Yes nicotine is addictive and makes you feel like a cigarette. But nicotine addiction is the easiest thing in the world to overcome... All you need to do is not smoke for about 3 days and you're over it. The difficult part to overcome is the social and emotional attachments that are associated with smoking.

This... is one of the biggest fallacies I've ever read.

MrH wrote:And by "both" I meant smokers and dirty people, not you and Fitzz, although you're both smokers so.....

If you don't want to wash your balls at home, fine, but if you're coming on the bus you better soak those bad boys before leaving the house.

So is this what you do for fun? Go on the web and tell others how you're so much better than them because of their life choices?

nectarprime wrote:

MrH wrote:And by "both" I meant smokers and dirty people, not you and Fitzz, although you're both smokers so.....

If you don't want to wash your balls at home, fine, but if you're coming on the bus you better soak those bad boys before leaving the house.

So is this what you do for fun? Go on the web and tell others how you're so much better than them because of their life choices?

nectarprime wrote:So is this what you do for fun? Go on the web and tell others how you're so much better than them because of their life choices?

Do you take umbrage that Mr. H thinks that people should wash their balls?

I mean, sure he's out of line with the smoking thing but surely ball washing is where we could all reach a consensus.

Monster Rain wrote:

nectarprime wrote:So is this what you do for fun? Go on the web and tell others how you're so much better than them because of their life choices?

Do you take umbrage that Mr. H thinks that people should wash their balls?

Apparently washing makes me a snob.