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Bloodhorror wrote:

axeman1n wrote:.
Necrons: Tombspider: 55pts can give you T6, 5W unit with a 3+ cover save as long as the scarab is in area terrain. If you kill the scarab, he just makes another.

So Wrong it made a Cat die...

Can you elaborate? The tombspider is a tough as nails monsterous creature with T6 and S6. Make a scarab and it's almost invincible to shooting.

BOYZ!!!

axeman1n wrote:

Bloodhorror wrote:

axeman1n wrote:.
Necrons: Tombspider: 55pts can give you T6, 5W unit with a 3+ cover save as long as the scarab is in area terrain. If you kill the scarab, he just makes another.

So Wrong it made a Cat die...

Can you elaborate? The tombspider is a tough as nails monsterous creature with T6 and S6. Make a scarab and it's almost invincible to shooting.

No Wait, ignore that comment i've gotten confused with Daemons Spawning their Nurgling Bases...

I ASSUMED it was in the same manner as necrons but having reread the codex, i was wrong. My Bad!
Cat Ressurected...


However, surely because its a Monstourous Creature it can be picked out via Shooting?
Or is that not so on account of its Lack of Monstourous Creature rule?

Much silly stuff in this thread. Banshees cost-effective? They suck, there is a reason that nobody plays them. Ripper swarms?? Lemartes!?!

The most obvious undercosted units are:
Long Fangs w. ML
Psyflemen
Vendetta

Three units where you almost have to be stupid, have a need to be different or have some brilliant plan to not fill out the entire slot with them in a competitive army.

Also a couple of undercosted characters:
Eldrad
Vulkan

DCA and crusadors are hilariously cheap. With dca, you get 2 power weapons at strength four with 4 attacks on the charge at int. 6 and WS 5. You also get a 5++ save, all for a tasty 15 points. Crusadors get a power weapon AND a stormshield for the same price, a combo that some armys pay 30-40 points for.

Trygon prime for tyranids, now i know you might feel that is expensive. Yet when you see what he can do
You realize why so many 2k nid lists have two of them, my personal record is eliminating 1000 points of my opponents army with trygon alone.

sandant wrote: Trygon prime for tyranids, now i know you might feel that is expensive. Yet when you see what he can do
You realize why so many 2k nid lists have two of them, my personal record is eliminating 1000 points of my opponents army with trygon alone.

Farsight Bomb too. Expensive, but with that many suits shooting, nothing is going to retaliate.

i know im gonna get flak for it but my god has he ever made his points back in big ways.....in my opinion with the right model possible the greatest diversion and disruption unit in the game.....the chaos greater daemon. if used properly he can smash tanks and troops alike and keep tickin. at 100 points how can you go wrong. i use termi-cides to bring him about, infiltrating chosen to be a pain heck ive even taken raptors to get him in battle dont underestimate him he is a beast.

pinksockpuppet wrote:the chaos greater daemon. if used properly he can smash tanks and troops alike and keep tickin. at 100 points how can you go wrong.

Well, it's not 100 points for starters.

This thread has more wrong info in it than any other thread I have seen in a while hahahah

DarknessEternal wrote:

pinksockpuppet wrote:the chaos greater daemon. if used properly he can smash tanks and troops alike and keep tickin. at 100 points how can you go wrong.

Well, it's not 100 points for starters.

well that may be true, depending on what you bring him out of but any good list that uses him gets him for 133-140 points still amazing.

pinksockpuppet wrote:i know im gonna get flak for it but my god has he ever made his points back in big ways.....in my opinion with the right model possible the greatest diversion and disruption unit in the game.....the chaos greater daemon. if used properly he can smash tanks and troops alike and keep tickin. at 100 points how can you go wrong. i use termi-cides to bring him about, infiltrating chosen to be a pain heck ive even taken raptors to get him in battle dont underestimate him he is a beast.

...Greater Daemons are only 100 POINTS!!! That's INSANE!!! I wholeheartedly agree with you.

nectarprime wrote:This thread has more wrong info in it than any other thread I have seen in a while hahahah

This some of the posts in this thread could be moved to another thread named "the pipe dreams of dakka"

Has anyone mentioned a guardsmen with a lasgun?

5pts people.. 5pts.. Gotta be the craziest, bravest guys out there! second is an Ork boy, 6pts, guardsmen on 'roids, better for assault than shooting.

A guardsman with a lasgun, even without orders, at a 3/1 proportion matches a power armour marine, but STILL HAS 1 POINT LEFT OVER. win.

Jihallah wrote:

nectarprime wrote:This thread has more wrong info in it than any other thread I have seen in a while hahahah

This some of the posts in this thread could be moved to another thread named "the pipe dreams of dakka"

kyranzor wrote:Has anyone mentioned a guardsmen with a lasgun?

5pts people.. 5pts.. Gotta be the craziest, bravest guys out there! second is an Ork boy, 6pts, guardsmen on 'roids, better for assault than shooting.

A guardsman with a lasgun, even without orders, at a 3/1 proportion matches a power armour marine, but STILL HAS 1 POINT LEFT OVER. win.

kyranzor wrote:Has anyone mentioned a guardsmen with a lasgun?

yup, back on page one. Even though it isn't an upgrade, I had to say it!

Wait no, that was another thread which was basically the same as this. sorry kyr

You may see it as a joke jihallah, but seriously, a basic guardsmen is excellent value. You can get 300 of the buggers for 1500pts in a 2k or 2.5k pt match, and 30 autocannons and meltas on top to finish up. Its obscene. If it was in japan, they'd pixelate the army.

kyranzor wrote:You may see it as a joke jihallah, but seriously, a basic guardsmen is excellent value. You can get 300 of the buggers for 1500pts in a 2k or 2.5k pt match, and 30 autocannons and meltas on top to finish up. Its obscene. If it was in japan, they'd pixelate the army.

But it you spend that much on standard guardsmen, then they can just use a heavy armour spearhead with plenty of dakka and pie plates and you won't hurt them

Also, Plus, you will need HQ, so less than 300. And transports.

kyranzor wrote:You may see it as a joke jihallah, but seriously, a basic guardsmen is excellent value. You can get 300 of the buggers for 1500pts in a 2k or 2.5k pt match, and 30 autocannons and meltas on top to finish up. Its obscene. If it was in japan, they'd pixelate the army.

I'm not saying they are bad, I'm saying they don't make me go "I can't believe it's that cheap!" Like, say, a Typhoon, fire dragons, or a Hydra

Okay fine. Ratlings. Epic sniper hobbits in cover-save-power-armour and infiltrate all for 10pts.

kyranzor wrote:Okay fine. Ratlings. Epic sniper hobbits in cover-save-power-armour and infiltrate all for 10pts.

Certainly a better way to spend ten points than a FW ><

GK: Strike squads
SW: Grey Hunters
Vanilla: Stormshield Librarian
Tyranids: Hive guard
IG: Veterans
BT: Land raider crusaders

kyranzor wrote:Okay fine. Ratlings. Epic sniper hobbits in cover-save-power-armour and infiltrate all for 10pts.

They are one of the worst choices in the IG codex. Sniper rifle is a horrible weapon in 40k (sadly)

To be fair, 10 points for a BS4 Stealth, Infiltrating dude with a rending gun isn't as bad as some other books.

Honestly, though, I'd have to say it's the Vendetta.

Yeah and bs4 for guard is good, and long-las sniper rifles wound on a 4+ so that beats 5-6+ for regular lasguns against most targets. Pinning, rending on top. And a great cover save as mentioned earlier.

And not scoring, and T2 and crappy Ld, heavy 1 weapon, and no special weapons. Pinning is near useless, rending is not really reliable, you are looking at around 1 rend with ten shots. 100pts for 10 snipers is not a good buy. They are easily in the bottom ten of IG choices. Their only saving grace is that they aren't competing with anything else for slots and the very flexible squad size, which means you can squeeze them into any list if you like the little buggers.

dire avengers are pretty good troops. They are wonderful anti-horde, and for 152 points, you can lay out 32 shots, throw in some psyker support, and now you have a unit that can papercut an ork mob to death in one round of shooting.

Crisis suit.

25pts+weapons.

loota boy wrote:DCA and crusadors are hilariously cheap. With dca, you get 2 power weapons at strength four with 4 attacks on the charge at int. 6 and WS 5. You also get a 5++ save, all for a tasty 15 points. Crusadors get a power weapon AND a stormshield for the same price, a combo that some armys pay 30-40 points for.

I don't think so, actually. A DCA costs 1 more point than a Genestealer. If you look at a DCA's statline, it's basically a Genestealer with +1 A (because of two weapons), -1 T, -2 Ld, power weapons instead of rending, 5++ instead of 5+, no fleet, and no infiltrate/outflank.

So, they're a little more deadly in combat than Genestealers, but without any of the things Genestealers have to get themselves into combat. Put them in a chimera? Can't assault out of it if it moved this turn. Keep them on foot? At T3, they'll get shredded by bolter fire, Storm Shields notwithstanding. T3 makes charging into cover even worse for them than it is for Genestealers, and Ld 10 over Ld 8 is a pretty big deal. Basically, they have the same problems as Howling Banshees.

They've got a small threat radius and they'll fold to anti-infantry shooting, so basically all they're going to do for you is countercharge unless you buy them a Land Raider or a Stormraven. Honestly, I think I'll take the Genestealer.

BA Assault Marines, work for many playstyles, they either can get you cheap transports or form deadly CC units that can DS with good precision.


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NeutronPoison wrote:

loota boy wrote:DCA and crusadors are hilariously cheap. With dca, you get 2 power weapons at strength four with 4 attacks on the charge at int. 6 and WS 5. You also get a 5++ save, all for a tasty 15 points. Crusadors get a power weapon AND a stormshield for the same price, a combo that some armys pay 30-40 points for.

I don't think so, actually. A DCA costs 1 more point than a Genestealer. If you look at a DCA's statline, it's basically a Genestealer with +1 A (because of two weapons), -1 T, -2 Ld, power weapons instead of rending, 5++ instead of 5+, no fleet, and no infiltrate/outflank.

So, they're a little more deadly in combat than Genestealers, but without any of the things Genestealers have to get themselves into combat. Put them in a chimera? Can't assault out of it if it moved this turn. Keep them on foot? At T3, they'll get shredded by bolter fire, Storm Shields notwithstanding. T3 makes charging into cover even worse for them than it is for Genestealers, and Ld 10 over Ld 8 is a pretty big deal. Basically, they have the same problems as Howling Banshees.

They've got a small threat radius and they'll fold to anti-infantry shooting, so basically all they're going to do for you is countercharge unless you buy them a Land Raider or a Stormraven. Honestly, I think I'll take the Genestealer.

Well, just like assault termies and many other CC units, if you are running them, you are probably fielding LR or SR anyway.