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**kronk**

I make my wife sleep closest to the window so the boogy man will get her first. Then, I can run away...

**Frazzled**

MrDwhitey wrote:
KingCracker wrote:Some things to remember about home defense in America anyways. Never EVER attack/shoot them from behind. cannot stress that one enough, unless you think going to prison for assault or murder sounds like fun. If you end up shooting/stabbing/attacking the criminal, try (I say this only because its very hard to show restraint in a stressful situation like this, when you and your family is in danger) not to go overboard with the defense. If you shoot them 15 times, chances are, your going to prison. If you stab them 12 times and then cut their throat, your going to prison. If they can prove you shot them once, and then executed them with a tap to the head or similar, your going to prison.

Also, if you injure the person in question, weather stabbing, shooting whatever, at least try to help them while calling the police. Meaning, give them a tower or something for the wound and so on. It shows that you were simply defending yourself and your property and that you werent trying to cause unnecessary harm to them. That can go a long ways in your defense when the police are looking at it.

My oldest brother was in his car in a parking lot a few years ago, and some guy came up, stuck a gun in his face and said give me your car. He said ok let me unbuckle and its yours. What the guy didnt know, was while he was unbuckling he was also unholstering his gun. When he got out of the car, my brother slapped the guys arm to the side he was hold the gun with and shot him 3 times in the stomach. He kicked the dudes gun away, and called the police. While on the phone with the police, he took his jacket off (in the winter even) and told the guy to hold is as hard as he could to stop the bleeding. The police/ambulance got there, took the guy away, and my brother was never in fear of being charged with anything because he did it by the book.

Might want to keep those things in mind.

Stop making sense, we need more internet tough guy!

Well in Texas
1. you don't have to retreat.
2. no warning shots
3. no wounding nonsense, the standard is shoot until the threat stops.
4. you have no duty to render aid.

The jury is still out on whether you can hang them after, just because.

**Nerivant**

Frazzled wrote:
The jury is still out on whether you can hang them after, just because.

Well, at that point, it's more of a zoning ordinance problem, isn't it?

I mean, I know I can't hang anybody unless they're at least ten feet from a power line.

**Frazzled**

Nerivant wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
The jury is still out on whether you can hang them after, just because.

Well, at that point, it's more of a zoning ordinance problem, isn't it?

I mean, I know I can't hang anybody unless they're at least ten feet from a power line.

True, and it can't be closer than 15 feet from the front line edge/curb.

**marv335**

I live in a compound with three layers of barbed wire and machine gun posts.
I have a large axe between the bed and the mattress.
I do not fear home invasion.

**12thRonin**

+1 to about all Frazz said. Unless you train for Israeli carry or practice loading every time you pick it up, keeping an unloaded gun is next to useless. In a panic situation, you revert to whatever training you have and if you're not used to picking it up and racking it all you are going to hear is the loudest sound a gun can make. That's the click of nothing happening when you pull the trigger. And yes, it's going to be a panic situation and introduces one more thing that can go wrong in an already bad situation.

To the question there are 2 1911's, a AR-15 built for CCQ, and a HD 870 with the mag extension within reach from my bed.

**Chongara**

Wait for them to leave. It's overwhelmingly likely they are just here for my stuff, and frankly I don't care enough about my stuff to escalate things into a physical conflict that stand a good chance of leaving me injured, or worse.

**Trondheim**

I dont fear an home invasion, nearest neighbour is an hour away by car. So no invaders around here

**Nocturn**

On the oft chance that the police are not notified, kill the fether, then whip up some concrete shoes, and take 'em for a swim (taking care, of course, not to leave behind any type of bodily fluids and/or tissue samples).

If/when the body is found, what is there to connect the corpse to you? It's not like they told the police they were going to hit your place up, and that if they didn't come back in an hour, to check up on them.

No motive = no case.

**fire4effekt**

The funny thing is about a sword i own, its nearly as long as the ironing board. And thats where it's sitting on an ironing board next to my bed, also on that board a sword that is hallway wieldable.

**Nocturn**

Oh, I also keep an emergency pick-axe in my trunk in case I run out of bullets.

**haloreach4ever**

I have a bow and arrow. Pity it takes about ten minuets to put together. :(

**Melissia**

Dunno about all this calling the police thing... sure, call them, but only once you have protection. As in, a weapon to fend off enemies. Especially a gun. Someone on the phone is especially vulnerable to attack, as their attention is split and they have a hand taken up.

And in Texas, you shoot first, ask questions later. Castle doctrine and all. If the police want to knock on your door, they come to the door, announce who they are, and have a damn warrant, etc...

**CptJake**

Melissia wrote:Dunno about all this calling the police thing... sure, call them, but only once you have protection. As in, a weapon to fend off enemies. Especially a gun. Someone on the phone is especially vulnerable to attack, as their attention is split and they have a hand taken up.And in Texas, you shoot first, ask questions later. Castle doctrine and all. If the police want to knock on your door, they come to the door, announce who they are, and have a damn warrant, etc...

Yep, and they also are announcing their presence which may not have been known to the perp yet.

When learning the fundamentals of patrolling, the mantra Security Security Security is beaten into you. You always secure the area before other actions. It applies to much of life. In this case, as Melissia states, grabbing the weapon and maybe locking yourself in a room if you do not want to confront the perp, or clearing your house to secure it are the first steps. Once you and your family are out of immediate danger you have time to compose yourself and call the cops. Before your family and you are secure it is silly to take any action not geared towards providing security.

**Mr. Self Destruct**

Couple of rifles, 2 shotguns, a few handguns of various calibers and plentiful ammo.
Then again, there's really no need for it. I live in in an isolated corner of an aging neighborhood surrounded by impenetrable wetlands, mostly.

**KingCracker**

Frazzled wrote:
MrDwhitey wrote:
KingCracker wrote:Some things to remember about home defense in America anyways. Never EVER attack/shoot them from behind. cannot stress that one enough, unless you think going to prison for assault or murder sounds like fun. If you end up shooting/stabbing/attacking the criminal, try (I say this only because its very hard to show restraint in a stressful situation like this, when you and your family is in danger) not to go overboard with the defense. If you shoot them 15 times, chances are, your going to prison. If you stab them 12 times and then cut their throat, your going to prison. If they can prove you shot them once, and then executed them with a tap to the head or similar, your going to prison.

Also, if you injure the person in question, weather stabbing, shooting whatever, at least try to help them while calling the police. Meaning, give them a tower or something for the wound and so on. It shows that you were simply defending yourself and your property and that you werent trying to cause unnecessary harm to them. That can go a long ways in your defense when the police are looking at it.

My oldest brother was in his car in a parking lot a few years ago, and some guy came up, stuck a gun in his face and said give me your car. He said ok let me unbuckle and its yours. What the guy didnt know, was while he was unbuckling he was also unholstering his gun. When he got out of the car, my brother slapped the guys arm to the side he was hold the gun with and shot him 3 times in the stomach. He kicked the dudes gun away, and called the police. While on the phone with the police, he took his jacket off (in the winter even) and told the guy to hold is as hard as he could to stop the bleeding. The police/ambulance got there, took the guy away, and my brother was never in fear of being charged with anything because he did it by the book.

Might want to keep those things in mind.

Stop making sense, we need more internet tough guy!

Well in Texas
1. you don't have to retreat.
2. no warning shots
3. no wounding nonsense, the standard is shoot until the threat stops.
4. you have no duty to render aid.

The jury is still out on whether you can hang them after, just because.

Yea thats the same here in Michigan, my warning shot, is a stomach full of buck shot

But still, if I spray someone down, while on the phone with 911, Ill make sure they know Im trying to help the guy. Why? Because any chance of me not being prosecuted for this stupid donkey-cave, the better.

And on that note.....it just pisses me off that such things can happen to people. Some jerk off, voluntarily breaks into my locked up house, to steal my things and put my family in danger, takes it pretty badly in the stomach for example. He pulls through, but boy is he fethed up. Now IM Im trouble because said jerkoff is suing me for shooting him? Or like the joke earlier about the dude impaling himself on spikes breaking in.....same deal. Really?! How the feth does that even work?

**Sckitzo**

KingCracker wrote:Some things to remember about home defense in America anyways. Never EVER attack/shoot them from behind. cannot stress that one enough, unless you think going to prison for assault or murder sounds like fun. If you end up shooting/stabbing/attacking the criminal, try (I say this only because its very hard to show restraint in a stressful situation like this, when you and your family is in danger) not to go overboard with the defense. If you shoot them 15 times, chances are, your going to prison. If you stab them 12 times and then cut their throat, your going to prison. If they can prove you shot them once, and then executed them with a tap to the head or similar, your going to prison.

Also, if you injure the person in question, weather stabbing, shooting whatever, at least try to help them while calling the police. Meaning, give them a tower or something for the wound and so on. It shows that you were simply defending yourself and your property and that you werent trying to cause unnecessary harm to them. That can go a long ways in your defense when the police are looking at it.

My oldest brother was in his car in a parking lot a few years ago, and some guy came up, stuck a gun in his face and said give me your car. He said ok let me unbuckle and its yours. What the guy didnt know, was while he was unbuckling he was also unholstering his gun. When he got out of the car, my brother slapped the guys arm to the side he was hold the gun with and shot him 3 times in the stomach. He kicked the dudes gun away, and called the police. While on the phone with the police, he took his jacket off (in the winter even) and told the guy to hold is as hard as he could to stop the bleeding. The police/ambulance got there, took the guy away, and my brother was never in fear of being charged with anything because he did it by the book.

Might want to keep those things in mind.

Just don't do anything medical related beyond your level of training, you may just open yourself up to different types of lawsuits.

Also, you fire until the person stop doing what they were doing that made you fire in the first place. Be it one round, or 15, but I understand your promoting restraint and a highly support that.

And I hate to say it, it also depends on your gender and background. If I shoot someone 15 times I'm going to go meet bubba most likely, A) Because I'm a guy so there goes the sympathy vote, B) I was in the military, so the jury is going to assume I know some sort of magical way to stop the person without killing em and C) I was a cop, I'm sure the prosecution will use that against me somehow.

But if my five and a half foot tall school teacher wife unloaded a magazine she has a better chance getting away with it, it's easier to use the "I was fearing for my life" defense. Which is complete BS because anyone who isn't a sociopath isn't going to be shooting unless they feared for their life or that of a loved one, but the courts really don't see it that way.

The best advice I have is if you do injure or kill someone breaking into your home, don't tell the cops

, be polite and respectful, just state that your really shaken up and would prefer to talk to a lawyer first. And it's going to be the truth, your going to be freaked out and shaken up and while you may think your in perfect control and that the cop is there to help, your not and they couldn't care less.

**Melissia**

Depends on the cop really. Some care, some don't, some just want in your pants, etc.

**FITZZ**

Melissia wrote:Depends on the cop really. Some care, some don't, some just want in your pants, etc.

Wait...just want in your pants?...which cops are these..?...when do they show up?...I feel sadly let down that I've yet to encounter these diligent public servants.

**Melissia**

There's pervy men (and women too no doubt) in every career.

**Nocturn**

There was a case a few years back (I think in NY) where some guy was watching a couple's home, and was going to break in when he knew they would be on vacation.

He climbed on their garage roof after they left, and fell through a skylight. The garage door was padlocked, and the door to the house was locked as well.

The homeowners found him a week later, and called the police, who promptly arrested the man.

A month or so after that, the same suspect sued the couple and WON because he injured himself on their property.

How BS is that?

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There also was one in Buffalo where a man broke into his neighbor's house, stole a tube tv from the second floor, and broke his ankle when he tripped down the stairs with the tv.

He also sued the homeowner and won.

**Melissia**

Right. This is why you shoot to kill in Texas. They can't sue you if they're dead...

**Frazzled**

And on that note.....it just pisses me off that such things can happen to people. Some jerk off, voluntarily breaks into my locked up house, to steal my things and put my family in danger, takes it pretty badly in the stomach for example. He pulls through, but boy is he fethed up. Now IM Im trouble because said jerkoff is suing me for shooting him? Or like the joke earlier about the dude impaling himself on spikes breaking in.....same deal. Really?! How the feth does that even work?

Again that sort of case would be laughed out of court here. As noted above, call the police and inform them the spawnling is wounded. Thats the limit of your medical knowledge and anything more than that can get you in trouble. Additionally, at least for the House of Frazzled, stopping the threat basically means emptying the clip into them.

If you survive 8 240 grain golden sabres center mass or even better Mozambique if the light is decent, dude you're the

ing terminator.

**12thRonin**

KingCracker wrote:
Yea thats the same here in Michigan, my warning shot, is a stomach full of buck shot But still, if I spray someone down, while on the phone with 911, Ill make sure they know Im trying to help the guy. Why? Because any chance of me not being prosecuted for this stupid donkey-cave, the better.

Fortunately Texas has immunity against civil suits in these cases where it is a legit self-defense shooting. The extent of my medical analysis and assistance is the diagnosis of "acute failure of the victim selection process" of the perp.

**assultmarine**

lovin what can happen in one night

my own plan is simple, gardai take about 3-5 DAYS to appear so thats out, i have a airsoft replica C02 1911 in a holster beside my bed, i know its not real but this is ireland :( it packs a punch and is enough of a deterant that i could get clsoe enough, both my sister and i are trained to a very high level of martial arts.
i live on a farm so we do have a shotgun, however its kept with a four-dial gun lock and cartridges are kept in a shed about 400m away...
the reason this thread came about was because a friend of mine from the airsoft scene had his house broken into a couple of months ago, they stole a feth-load of diesel from a tank in his yard, the next day he mixed diesel and water and put it in the tank, he came out the next morning and found a pigs head and a note saying theyd kill him for it

he and a group of his friends, including former irish rangers, got together borrowed skull shaped full face masks and shotguns, waited outside the next night and walked the thieves to the police station

**ineptus astartes**

Melissia wrote:Dunno about all this calling the police thing... sure, call them, but only once you have protection. As in, a weapon to fend off enemies. Especially a gun. Someone on the phone is especially vulnerable to attack, as their attention is split and they have a hand taken up.

And in Texas, you shoot first, ask questions later. Castle doctrine and all. If the police want to knock on your door, they come to the door, announce who they are, and have a damn warrant, etc...

That is it. I am moving to Texas.

**DIDM**

first off the dogs would have scared them off as soon as they got in the yard, that is what they are there for. Then the house dog would go nuts waking everyone up. We don't have real guns, but we do have frozen paintballs, and if you have ever gotten hit with one of them at close range you understand that it can hurt worse than a real bullet. We also have a bat at every door, but the dogs do their job, and we hopefully will never have do deal with a home invasion.

**ineptus astartes**

When I lived back in Maryland, we had frozen tomatoes from last year's harvest in the fridge.

they have smashed rocks.

**Shadowseer_Kim**

Here we have no castle law, so first, grab the AK47, since it is the most handy thing available.

Then listen to see if the noise is my housemates usual noise of being up late.

If the sound is rummaging and breaking of things, exit room, chambering a round, ready to fire.

Supposing they run at this point, call the police to make a report.

Supposing they do not run, and do anything in a threatining manner, if they so much as swear at me, I shoot them. If they have no weapon, I plant a knife on them.

If they surrender themselves, I call the police to come apprehend them.

**12thRonin**

Not trying to argue, but this is all "Just sayin'" from the point of view of what happens locally around here. Home invasions aren't someone sneaking in your window in the middle of the night and sneaking out. This is them breaking the door in and giving you two options.

DIDM wrote:first off the dogs would have scared them off as soon as they got in the yard, that is what they are there for. Then the house dog would go nuts waking everyone up.

If they are coming in, they aren't worried about your dogs. The dogs will likely be shot or otherwise neutralized if they are near the point of entry. Chances are also good that they already knew you had dogs.

We don't have real guns, but we do have frozen paintballs, and if you have ever gotten hit with one of them at close range you understand that it can hurt worse than a real bullet.

1) Are these by your bed at night or a table beside you where you can get them in an instant? There's no time to go to the freezer and get them out, load them, etc.
2) It's not about hurting them, it's about stopping the threat. Hurt can just enrage them more, not entice them to surrender. Stopping the threat means incapacitating them or taking the fight out of them. If they are wearing thick clothes or multiple layers of clothes, this is likely going to minimize any impact from the paintballs. Most paintballs weigh at most 3.5 grams and are around 300 FPS (i.e. not alot of energy here and no wounding effects). Compare that to a .45ACP that is 1.5 grams going 800-900 FPS.

We also have a bat at every door, but the dogs do their job, and we hopefully will never have do deal with a home invasion.

Do you sit by those doors and do you have faith in your ability to use a bat as a lightsaber to deflect the bullets coming at you? Remember, the BG(s) are ready for action by the time they are in your house. Are you? It's well shown in crime stats that home invaders don't care about hurting or killing you or anyone else in your house.

I hope you're right though and no body has to deal with a home invasion. We've thought through this threat and I know how my family and I will react to this type of a situation as well as having active, not passive measures to deter it from happening