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I'm thinking more...

Tau > 6th edition > Chaos Legions > DA > Eldar > BT or Sisters

This matches up with the rumour that 6th edition's box would involve Chaos and Dark Angels.

Of course this is all pieced together from various bits and an accidental slip of tongue from a manager in a recent conversation.

Some statements by ghost21:

ghost21 wrote:

Demiurg would prompt me to start a whole army based around them.

Well, if you insist: 1 HQ, 1 troop and possibly 1 other unit.
The preliminary rules make Demiurg equal to banshees in combat?... without the scream thing though.
OK, one more: the Demiurg ancients, think of them as cranky old wise men who saw the imperium in its infancy. They had seen the Eldar come and go, and thought it was another decadent empire... though they normally take hundreds of years to make a decision... the tau have something special the demiurg like

(standard demiurg have 2 options)

It is probably BT next.

So, it looks like Black Templars are next then? Cant' say I'm surprised.

:(
Makes me sad...
But yea if there is one army that deserves a release more than any other, it's the templars.^^

Sasori wrote:So, it looks like Black Templars are next then? Cant' say I'm surprised.

BT will not be released untill the MMO is released.

Davor wrote:

Sasori wrote:So, it looks like Black Templars are next then? Cant' say I'm surprised.

BT will not be released untill the MMO is released.

Is this your personal Speculation? or do you have something else to back it up?

H.B.M.C. wrote:They might be getting a re-do in Failcost. It would make sense to remove them if there's none left, and then bring them out in a few months time like the wave of Eldar things that's about to hit in two weeks.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:The Finecast Ethereal is also marked as unavailable; I'd figure this is just a site error. Tau aren't due until at least February, I doubt they'd stop selling the models now.

Well, Ive looked at every product in the Tau range of products and they all come up with the message Availability: No Longer Available Except for the Tau XV88 Broadside Battlesuit which states This product is expected to despatch in three to four weeks and the Tau Crisis Battlesuit Commander which states This product is expected to despatch in two to three weeks

Fine cast could make since for some items, such as the metal Vespids. As for the rest?

Edit: Must have been an error with the system or something like that... Most items are now showing the usual "will ship within..." status.

Davor wrote:
BT will not be released untill the MMO is released.

People said the Tomb Kings would come out when WAR released their Tomb Kings expansion bit - it never did. In fact they didn't come out for close to 4 years later.

Don't assume a MMO will = army release. Dawn of War did not accelerate any codex releases nor did any other games!

Kroothawk wrote:Some statements by ghost21:

ghost21 wrote:

Demiurg would prompt me to start a whole army based around them.

Well, if you insist: 1 HQ, 1 troop and possibly 1 other unit.
The preliminary rules make Demiurg equal to banshees in combat?... without the scream thing though.
OK, one more: the Demiurg ancients, think of them as cranky old wise men who saw the imperium in its infancy. They had seen the Eldar come and go, and thought it was another decadent empire... though they normally take hundreds of years to make a decision... the tau have something special the demiurg like

(standard demiurg have 2 options)

It is probably BT next.

That's awesome news Kroothawk.

From the amount of rumours kicking around, you have to think that the Demiurg are a nigh-on certainty now? Although has anyone divulged any information on them other than Ghost21 (who I believe mentioned the previous rumour about them having already been completed?)

I doubt Tau will be coming out until next summer, after 6th edition releases. Not including Fantasy Army Book releases I think the order is going to be:

Black Templar > Eldar > Chaos+Dark Angels > Tau

Black Templars and Dark Angels would be simple adjustments to points and maybe some better special rules or clarification of those rules. Eldar need some work, but not to the extend of a complete overhaul. Chaos will probably be worked on extensively if the 6th ed starter box rumor is true. Tau are the ones that need a complete reworking from cover to cover, so I don't really see them getting done in the near future. Maybe a WD article like the sisters got to hold us Tau players over until the real thing comes out.

But that's just my .02 cents.

StormForged wrote:Maybe a WD article like the sisters got to hold us Tau players over until the real thing comes out.

I was actually thinking we might get a WD codex/article just prior to sixth edition to tide us over so they can hammer us with marine crap for 2 years before a real release.

Please keep in mind that ghost21 has been spot on with Dreadfleet, but also completely off with the predicted Sororitas Codex and models this year.
So while he gives us a heap of rumours, not all turn out to be correct and most still wait for confirmation next year. This includes the Demiurg rumours that all originate from him AFAIK.

I think that they're going to have to do Tau before 6th edition. Tau are the only book left with a retinue option. I doubt they want to clutter their main rulebook with a rule that's going to be obsolete in a few months.

A Dwarf by any other name is still a Squat in 40K (apologies to Shakespeare). The Demiurg were even described as "squat" in a recent BL novel by Gav Thorpe and I'm sure that's hardly a coincidence, but rather a deliberate wink and nod. GW is teasing everyone with this and background fanatics (fanboys?) can argue about it all they want, but what's old is new again the past couple years in 40K and this is a way of inserting "space dwarves" back into 40K without actually having Squat armies. What they are called or what their background is these days is incidental to the idea of reinstating Space Dwarves in 40K. Yeah, Squats.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:I think that they're going to have to do Tau before 6th edition. Tau are the only book left with a retinue option. I doubt they want to clutter their main rulebook with a rule that's going to be obsolete in a few months.

Better than the BT and their Chaplain + Servitor rules ... Indepedent Character + 3 Servitors, which as a group function as an independent character and can be added to other squads as such.

Kroothawk wrote:Please keep in mind that ghost21 has been spot on with Dreadfleet, but also completely off with the predicted Sororitas Codex and models this year.
So while he gives us a heap of rumours, not all turn out to be correct and most still wait for confirmation next year. This includes the Demiurg rumours that all originate from him AFAIK.

Actually...after reviewing some of your old posts (March 2011). The original rumor of Tau Demiurg came from Warseer's stinger989 followed shortly after by Warseer's StraightSilver.

Kroothawk wrote:Well here the full quote with full credit:

stinger989 wrote:

stinger989:
Well after posting some GK rumors i have returned with some more interesting tid bitz.

Squats will be returning with the TAU!
depending on printing problems it is possible they will be slated for November 2011 moving the Necrons back

Squats will be a troop choice and have t4 s5(with battle axe) 5+ 5+FNP(intoxicating save) and SAP but will be allowed to charge 6" instead of rolling
There is a squat HQ but no info yet.

Kroot are still in as well as the firewarriors

Character unlocks crisis suits as troops and they have gotten much better.

hopefully more to come in the upcoming months. Enjoy

Well, I believe that Fire Warriors and Kroot are still in the next Codex, but good to have a confirmation
At the moment, I don't believe that Squats as part of the human Imperium are standard forces and generals in a Tau force. Most certainly they are Demiurgs, who are established Xeno allies of the Tau (only possible if Mat Ward writes the background -> Xenos Inquisition army)
But IMHO, dwarves with axes are a poor substitute for the cc unit I was waiting for: Catgirls in school uniforms with katanas

Here another source from Warseer:

StraightSilver wrote:

StraightSilver:
Well I was about to groan at "yet another squat" rumour but this does very scarily reinforce a rumour I have heard regarding Tau too, so I won't laugh this one off just yet.

I have been hearing since last year that Tau would get a big release in Q4 2011.

They will be getting plastic vespid, pathfinders and new battle suits and crisis suits (most likely recut sprue with all weapon options in plastic).

And I have heard that they were getting a new race as a unit type.

I never in a million years thought it would be squat/demiurg but this would be awesome if it's true.

The only thing that gives me pause is that I was told Tau would be getting new minis, but not necessarily a new Codex, so could the rules for these be in White Dwarf?

Indepedent Character + 3 Servitors, which as a group function as an independent character and can be added to other squads as such.

Same as Space Wolf heroes with 1-2 wargear Fenrisian Wolves then? Not a problem.

SM honor guard and command squad are also retinue AFAIK.

agnosto wrote:SM honor guard and command squad are also retinue AFAIK.

They're not. They're special squads you can buy, but they're just squads of dudes.

Needs more Squats.

BrassScorpion wrote:A Dwarf by any other name is still a Squat in 40K (apologies to Shakespeare). The Demiurg were even described as "squat" in a recent BL novel by Gav Thorpe and I'm sure that's hardly a coincidence, but rather a deliberate wink and nod. GW is teasing everyone with this and background fanatics (fanboys?) can argue about it all they want, but what's old is new again the past couple years in 40K and this is a way of inserting "space dwarves" back into 40K without actually having Squat armies. What they are called or what their background is these days is incidental to the idea of reinstating Space Dwarves in 40K. Yeah, Squats.

So we're reallygoing back to the whole Dwarfs in Space thing? What about that awesome Demigurg picture from the Ordo Xenox fluff book?

While I cannot pretend there is any army in 40k I am less inclined to buy in to, the possibility of new xeno species appearing across the battlefield must be a good thing.

stinger989 wrote: Catgirls in school uniforms with katanas

That would be hilarious.

Maybe Robot Catgirls. With Fusion Katana's. (friends with shadowsun?)

Anung Un Rama wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:A Dwarf by any other name is still a Squat in 40K (apologies to Shakespeare). The Demiurg were even described as "squat" in a recent BL novel by Gav Thorpe and I'm sure that's hardly a coincidence, but rather a deliberate wink and nod. GW is teasing everyone with this and background fanatics (fanboys?) can argue about it all they want, but what's old is new again the past couple years in 40K and this is a way of inserting "space dwarves" back into 40K without actually having Squat armies. What they are called or what their background is these days is incidental to the idea of reinstating Space Dwarves in 40K. Yeah, Squats.

So we're reallygoing back to the whole Dwarfs in Space thing? What about that awesome Demigurg picture from the Ordo Xenox fluff book?

I don't think they would go back to the heavy metal Dwarf Bikers in space aesthetic that we had before. I would take the concept sketch shown as an indication of where they might head.

I do think that they will probably retain the relentless advance, big guns and ability to crack skulls that is common to dwarves in all genres.

I'm not sure about the rest of you guys but I know a lot of 'Tau players' or Tau sympathisers that love the idea of anime style mechs and futuristic weapons and the imagery in 40K but completely dislike the rag-tag auxiliaries.

Plenty of people refuse to use Kroot and Vespid no matter how useful they might be, and if the rumours are true the Tau army will be even less about Tau and even more about a random collection of space monsters fighting happily as one. Dwarf bikers, Kroot carnivores with indian hats and weird gorilla mounts, flying bugmen and fishmen with pulse rifles and battlesuits get together and make an army! Hurray!

I mean they could've gone another way too. When they made Tau they admitted that they were trying to decide between two new races which one to release, the Tau and the Kroot, and eventually came up with the idea of allying them together into the same book, and here we are now with all sorts of circus freaks joining the Empire.

CpatTom wrote:

stinger989 wrote: Catgirls in school uniforms with katanas

That would be hilarious.

Maybe Robot Catgirls. With Fusion Katana's. (friends with shadowsun?)

Therion wrote:I'm not sure about the rest of you guys but I know a lot of 'Tau players' or Tau sympathisers that love the idea of anime style mechs and futuristic weapons and the imagery in 40K but completely dislike the rag-tag auxiliaries.

Plenty of people refuse to use Kroot and Vespid no matter how useful they might be, and if the rumours are true the Tau army will be even less about Tau and even more about a random collection of space monsters fighting happily as one. Dwarf bikers, Kroot carnivores with indian hats and weird gorilla mounts, flying bugmen and fishmen with pulse rifles and battlesuits get together and make an army! Hurray!

I mean they could've gone another way too. When they made Tau they admitted that they were trying to decide between two new races which one to release, the Tau and the Kroot, and eventually came up with the idea of allying them together into the same book, and here we are now with all sorts of circus freaks joining the Empire.

Racist!

I just hope the new models are inexpensive

Tau was my first army. I loved tau, Painting them and fielding them. Until I could not afford or even buy the tanks because of a gakky store and I lost 100% of my games for over two years straight. So than I got so sick of Tau being the worst fething peice of Crap army that has ever existed so I traded for Orks and Space Wolves and Now Eldar and Necrons.

Seriously. Name one GOOD thing about the tau codex other than that piece of crap tank with the rail gun that makes the army good? YOU CANT! Sure they have a good basic troop gun and a crisis suits are Decent but any good player and any half way decent rolls from a boyz squad of orks. Terminators, Eldar Swooping hawks or Rangers or basicaly anything in any codex out there can wipe the floor with every model the Tau has to offer.

So a revamp of the codex is in DIRE need to make it good.

Markerlights when done well can be devastating. Would be nice if you could actually reasonably buy any of the drones with networked markerlight.