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Squidmanlolz wrote:Worst-case scenario for the Imperium:
The Imperium gives up and uses the Exterminatus to cleanse all of the Tau worlds. (It's like flipping the table in a game of chess)
Said that before. Space marines show up, heading at the planet with a speed that makes targeting impossible, drops off some cyclonic torpedos, pops into the warp, to the next Tau world, all the way to T'au.
If its that easy to do exterminatus why havent they done it to every enemy planet already? Answer because they cant, they do not have enough force's and also the opposite faction would intercept the imperiums and engage in fleet battles also these missiles heading for the planet would be shot down. Also the imperiums fleet has very low technology and does not have the advantage of quality in any shape or form ship's or commanders (yes commanders you dug your hole when you blamed them for loosing every battle you lost). Also iff your moving to fast to be targeted your forces would not be able to target anything either.
Because the Imperium reserves exterminatus for worlds unconquerable by ground campaign, like the Tau Septs. And you don't need to aim cyclonic torpedos, when they hit the ground they crack the planet's surface open.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
well the eldar always use humans for their own gain,and the Tau as we stated will actually negotiate fairly, even a take a bit of hit on their end for peace. Any negotiated alliance or peace is temporary at best with the IoM and soon thier Xenocidal tendecies will erupt again.
But the Tau have actual allies and friends, nassicar, demi-urg, kroot are all allies, not conqured , but friends of the Tau empire, its the kind of race I prefer for a fluff perspective and modeling.
And for any interested My Tau look pretty freaking far from anime-ish check my gallery.
I love discussing and expanding upon the setting but its wearing to constantly go to threads featuring your favorite race/army and have to again defend them.
Heres a new idea how would the IoM benifit from a lasting peace or alliance with the Tau Empire?
Instead of picking on the smallest kid in the 40k empire maybe big bad IoM could fantasize about beating chaos or dealing with the nids. Oh wait they can't, so lets find a fight we can maybe win. Lets pick on the Tau.
The Blood angels allied temporarily with the necrons to fight the tyranids on one planet, enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Squidmanlolz wrote:Worst-case scenario for the Imperium:
The Imperium gives up and uses the Exterminatus to cleanse all of the Tau worlds. (It's like flipping the table in a game of chess)
Said that before. Space marines show up, heading at the planet with a speed that makes targeting impossible, drops off some cyclonic torpedos, pops into the warp, to the next Tau world, all the way to T'au.
If its that easy to do exterminatus why havent they done it to every enemy planet already? Answer because they cant, they do not have enough force's and also the opposite faction would intercept the imperiums and engage in fleet battles also these missiles heading for the planet would be shot down. Also the imperiums fleet has very low technology and does not have the advantage of quality in any shape or form ship's or commanders (yes commanders you dug your hole when you blamed them for loosing every battle you lost). Also iff your moving to fast to be targeted your forces would not be able to target anything either.
Because the Imperium reserves exterminatus for worlds unconquerable by ground campaign, like the Tau Septs. And you don't need to aim cyclonic torpedos, when they hit the ground they crack the planet's surface open.
It takes many of those missiles not one also you have to be in the planets orbit for a while to bombard it enough for it to be destroyed. All Tau planets have multiple orbital defense installations inhabited by the air caste there is no by passing them or just blowing them up easily. And thats me done i cant have a rational disscussion with you unfortunatly
Death to the alien...no further need to explain either...
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
And another point the Tau actually will come to the aid of its allies and friends....something the IoM can't do..since they have no friends or allies.
The IoM is known to have occasionally allied itself with the Eldar and negotiated cease fire with the Tau.
Also, from what I understand, according to Matt Ward (you can ignore this part)'s Blood Angels Codex, the Blood Angels teamed up with Tyranids or something...
According to the codex NECRONS, the necrons and Blood Angels teamed up against tyranids. This is supported by necrons aiming to kick the nids out of "their" Galaxy...
So basically except nids, who never ally, orks who have only a few mercenaries ( blood axes IIRC ), DE also mercenaries but still arrogant space elfs, everyone has a few possible allies.
Chaos allies with itself as its usually splintered. May use mercenaries too.
Eldar tend to care for their own plans and may ally with some of the races out there, except necrons and chaos.
Necrons deem the rest below them, but were changed to ally or accept others as vassals now. First example of crons and BA.
Tend to exterminate the unworthy, did this to TAU, go figure...
Opposite to offer to leave as they did to IoM worlds, or to serve as they seek respect and to dominate the Galaxy.
Humans can ally with Eldar, Necrons and Tau ( if the Tau ever understand the concept of a team without signing up for the Greater good ).
The Eldar will opt for temporary alliances and the crons want to be the leaders of it which leads to temporary again.
Tau won't stop from babbling about their greater good and thus annoy the Humans until those offer to shut up or be shot.
Temporary alliance I guess...
Tau can ally with ...Tau. Maybe someday we find a alliance where someone wasn't part of the Empire, but today there is no such thing.
The course GW is taking with them is from a small upstart single world species to a small upstart empire with an ally ( Kroot ).
Then we have the expansion and another 'official' ally ( vespids ). Next step is they are no longer 'flying under the radar' of the common threats of 40k.
So nids showed up, orks came again and chaos made first contact. Necrons opted to end the Party the Tau intended to have, DE favored
cultural exchanges but that wasn't what the Tau expected. We will see them under attack by everyone else.
So Tau won't be left to the sidelines to jump in where they please anymore.
Target locked,ready to fire
In dedicatio imperatum ultra articulo mortis.
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We were wrong. It's not the 40k End Times. It's the Trademarkening.
Tadashi wrote:
Said that before. Space marines show up, heading at the planet with a speed that makes targeting impossible, drops off some cyclonic torpedos, pops into the warp, to the next Tau world, all the way to T'au.
Space Marines don't have the resources or technology to do this to 17 planets in a row. In space you can't move at speeds that make targetting impossible, because is space battles you don't target the enemy ship-you target a space a few thousand kilometres in front of it. The faster the enemy is going, the less chance they'll have of changing their course. Not to mention no fleet carries enough exterminatus weaponry to annihilate an entire empire, and Space Marines aren't a threat when they're not working alongside Guard or Navy units.
Coolyo294 wrote: You are a strange, strange little manchicken.
alrighty then i have just found this thread and i'd like to say that numbers yeah might be a bit iwerd but in the rulebook it say's roughly 1000 s/m chapters made from 1000 battle brothers so yeah s/m have the advantage also 25 to 50 preds and other tanks in each chapter thats max of 50,000ish tanks including support craft and also heard of the world engine ????? one chapter cleansed a whole world of 'crons the tau have 16 worlds thats only 16 chapters that leaves 984 chapters to crush anything thats left and the s/m are ALWAYS backed up by guard thats just how it happens so before the tau players go on about how it's only s/m vs guard please read up on the fluff that has never and will never happen.
Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:alrighty then i have just found this thread and i'd like to say that numbers yeah might be a bit iwerd but in the rulebook it say's roughly 1000 s/m chapters made from 1000 battle brothers so yeah s/m have the advantage also 25 to 50 preds and other tanks in each chapter thats max of 50,000ish tanks including support craft and also heard of the world engine ????? one chapter cleansed a whole world of 'crons the tau have 16 worlds thats only 16 chapters that leaves 984 chapters to crush anything thats left and the s/m are ALWAYS backed up by guard thats just how it happens so before the tau players go on about how it's only s/m vs guard please read up on the fluff that has never and will never happen.
You can't turn the entire Imperium onto the Tau... something bigger would kill the Imperium... Remember the Imperial Guard are the backbone of the Imperium's might, SM are merely strike-teams
Automatically Appended Next Post: Soo'Vah'Cha, I enjoyed looking at your army, excellent conversions!
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Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:alrighty then i have just found this thread and i'd like to say that numbers yeah might be a bit iwerd but in the rulebook it say's roughly 1000 s/m chapters made from 1000 battle brothers so yeah s/m have the advantage also 25 to 50 preds and other tanks in each chapter thats max of 50,000ish tanks including support craft and also heard of the world engine ????? one chapter cleansed a whole world of 'crons the tau have 16 worlds thats only 16 chapters that leaves 984 chapters to crush anything thats left and the s/m are ALWAYS backed up by guard thats just how it happens so before the tau players go on about how it's only s/m vs guard please read up on the fluff that has never and will never happen.
Space Marines are one of the smallest factions in 40k. Using the number of SM in the entire galaxy, 1 million, is pointless because in any given war in 40k you'll only have the tiniest fraction of the Imperium's might to call upon for aid. Seriously, saying that you'll have all 1000 chapters participating in one crusade is just silly. Obviously the SM will have Guard support, because it's pretty much impossible for a few thousand men to clear several fortified planets within a century, and the Imperiumn won't simply destroy Tau planets from orbit because planets suitable for human life are so rare.
Coolyo294 wrote: You are a strange, strange little manchicken.
Theater Available Combat Acessible Assets: Or what is around to utilize on any offensive operation, that will not leave gaps in vital defences or allow other intrests to suffer.
A good example and one I posted earlier is the OB for the Taros campaign.
Citing the Taros Campaign:
1 full company of Avenging sons Space marine chapter
2 full companies of the Raptors Space Marine chapter
10 full regiments of Imperial guard (3-4k troops per regiment )
and a scout titan detatchment.
Failed to defeat the Tau ( whom deployed around 100 hunter cadres aprox 8-9k firewarriors, and 5k kroot with 8k human aux )
So 3 Companies of the emperors Finest and 10 regiments of Guard around 40k imperial troops against a combined 22k of Tau and allies. and the Tau triumphed after a long campaign that was well fought and described in the book (Of course if all you want is see the IoM win you can explain away the victory due to IG incompentence, but oh well )
Personally I love a well described battle regardless of victors and this one was very well written with realistic descriptions of supply problems and elite operations, I heartiliy recomend it.
Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:alrighty then i have just found this thread and i'd like to say that numbers yeah might be a bit iwerd but in the rulebook it say's roughly 1000 s/m chapters made from 1000 battle brothers so yeah s/m have the advantage also 25 to 50 preds and other tanks in each chapter thats max of 50,000ish tanks including support craft and also heard of the world engine ????? one chapter cleansed a whole world of 'crons the tau have 16 worlds thats only 16 chapters that leaves 984 chapters to crush anything thats left and the s/m are ALWAYS backed up by guard thats just how it happens so before the tau players go on about how it's only s/m vs guard please read up on the fluff that has never and will never happen.
Have fun with the logistics of getting every marine in the GALAXY to the Tau sept worlds. Even if the IoM decided to do such, it would take too long to implement. Then of course, nids/ Orks/ Chaos/ Necrons decide to attack the IoM and the marines are all redirected to fight them.
Even if they did get them all to the sept worlds, certain other planets would be left horribly exposed. Now tell me DE, Craftworld Eldar, Necrons or any other semi intelligent race wouldn't try to capitalise on such a weakness.
The IoM simply has better uses for all it's marines. Some marines may go, but not every marine in the fething galaxy.
Marines spearheading an invasion with Guard, Titan Legions, SOB, etc however... Tau would go the way of the squats.
Pretre: OOOOHHHHH snap. That's like driving away from hitting a pedestrian.
Pacific:First person to Photoshop a GW store into the streets of Kabul wins the thread.
Selym: "Be true to thyself, play Chaos" - Jesus, Daemon Prince of Cegorach.
H.B.M.C: You can't lobotomise someone twice.
Who needs SM, If I remember correctly, the Sabbat worlds crusade against Chaos didn't need Space Marines, I haven't gotten through the entire Gaunt's Ghosts series though. I have to admit, the Tau have an advantage while defending their own planets, they have better tech, they have more diversity. but I feel the empire could match this with manpower and armor.
nomotog wrote:I wonder, how many fire warriors dose it take to kill a SM? I mean the basic fire warrior. The one with the pulse rifle
A LOT: "The Tau Fire Warriors stationed abourd Orbital Primus turned the corridors of the space station into killing grounds with a warren of deadly ambushes, but the Black Templar force countered this by splitting up into small squads and attacked the defenders from multiple directions, using grenades and chainswords to smash their way through the bulkheads. This enabled them to outflank the defending Tau forces, who were pitiful at close combat, and crush the resistance."
For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:alrighty then i have just found this thread and i'd like to say that numbers yeah might be a bit iwerd but in the rulebook it say's roughly 1000 s/m chapters made from 1000 battle brothers so yeah s/m have the advantage also 25 to 50 preds and other tanks in each chapter thats max of 50,000ish tanks including support craft and also heard of the world engine ????? one chapter cleansed a whole world of 'crons the tau have 16 worlds thats only 16 chapters that leaves 984 chapters to crush anything thats left and the s/m are ALWAYS backed up by guard thats just how it happens so before the tau players go on about how it's only s/m vs guard please read up on the fluff that has never and will never happen.
Huh. Well, let's take a look at the Taus forces. Roughly 100 planets according to the Tauros Campaign(16 systems not worlds) with say 90% Tau. About a /4 Firecast members. And say, 1'000'000'000 Inhabitants (a seventh of the earth population, compleatly thinkable) of each planet. That ads upp to 22'500'000'000 firecast warriors. And that w/ out allies. Compared to a 1'000'000 space marines. One spacemarine would be about 50 firewarriors so the Tau Empire would be 450 times stronger then all space marines chapters together. The only way for the Imperium to destroy the Tau is the imperial guard. And it would propably not eaven be woth it, scince the orks the tau fight off are much worse then the realatively peacfull Tau.
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Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:alrighty then i have just found this thread and i'd like to say that numbers yeah might be a bit iwerd but in the rulebook it say's roughly 1000 s/m chapters made from 1000 battle brothers so yeah s/m have the advantage also 25 to 50 preds and other tanks in each chapter thats max of 50,000ish tanks including support craft and also heard of the world engine ????? one chapter cleansed a whole world of 'crons the tau have 16 worlds thats only 16 chapters that leaves 984 chapters to crush anything thats left and the s/m are ALWAYS backed up by guard thats just how it happens so before the tau players go on about how it's only s/m vs guard please read up on the fluff that has never and will never happen.
Huh. Well, let's take a look at the Taus forces. Roughly 100 planets according to the Tauros Campaign(16 systems not worlds) with say 90% Tau. About a /4 Firecast members. And say, 1'000'000'000 Inhabitants (a seventh of the earth population, compleatly thinkable) of each planet. That ads upp to 22'500'000'000 firecast warriors. And that w/ out allies. Compared to a 1'000'000 space marines. One spacemarine would be about 50 firewarriors so the Tau Empire would be 450 times stronger then all space marines chapters together. The only way for the Imperium to destroy the Tau is the imperial guard. And it would propably not eaven be woth it, scince the orks the tau fight off are much worse then the realatively peacfull Tau.
And how many Sisters, Guardsman, Skitarii, Ogryns and Assassins Imperium have?
For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done" My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
Every time this thread is done the conclusion is the same. Of course the IoM could beat the Tau if they didn't have a lot of other threats to deal with first.
Kilkrazy wrote:
Every time this thread is done the conclusion is the same. Of course the IoM could beat the Tau if they didn't have a lot of other threats to deal with first.
Or maybe they just won't, maybe they have some other use for Tau in the future...
Anyway, why people ask this question gazillion times in a year?
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done" My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:alrighty then i have just found this thread and i'd like to say that numbers yeah might be a bit iwerd but in the rulebook it say's roughly 1000 s/m chapters made from 1000 battle brothers so yeah s/m have the advantage also 25 to 50 preds and other tanks in each chapter thats max of 50,000ish tanks including support craft and also heard of the world engine ????? one chapter cleansed a whole world of 'crons the tau have 16 worlds thats only 16 chapters that leaves 984 chapters to crush anything thats left and the s/m are ALWAYS backed up by guard thats just how it happens so before the tau players go on about how it's only s/m vs guard please read up on the fluff that has never and will never happen.
Huh. Well, let's take a look at the Taus forces. Roughly 100 planets according to the Tauros Campaign(16 systems not worlds) with say 90% Tau. About a /4 Firecast members. And say, 1'000'000'000 Inhabitants (a seventh of the earth population, compleatly thinkable) of each planet. That ads upp to 22'500'000'000 firecast warriors. And that w/ out allies. Compared to a 1'000'000 space marines. One spacemarine would be about 50 firewarriors so the Tau Empire would be 450 times stronger then all space marines chapters together. The only way for the Imperium to destroy the Tau is the imperial guard. And it would propably not eaven be woth it, scince the orks the tau fight off are much worse then the realatively peacfull Tau.
Your maths is wrong.
Not every planet is populated like that. Only 26 have large populations. So really it's about 26,000,0000,0000 divided by four using the Spet worlds. Around 6,500,000,000 available members of the Fire Caste. That last bit is important, considering not every member of the Caste will be available, far from it. About half will be old or too young/in training. Of that other half, there's a lot of different roles to fill, and whilst the Tau can use technology as a substitute for many of these, there's still a lot of man-power required. Then of course you have to remember that any sort of proportion to do with Astartes will increase exponentially. Maybe a single one can take out many Firewarriors, but a whole Tactical squad, a whole Company potentially, could take out many times more.
Brother Coa wrote:The most probably thing that can happen to Tau would be a GIGANTIC Tyranid fleet noming their entire empire. While Calgar seat in orbit and eat Emperor's popcorn...
Nope, and heres why: Tau dont show up on the tyranid radar like humans do. They are far less psykic and dont overpopulate nearly as badly as the imperial worlds do. Sure a tyranid fleet might feed on them ON THE WAY to a more tasty meal, but its more likely that a splinterfleet or vanguard force would arrive first, and thats manageable from a tau perspektive. On a different note, can tau even become genestealer hybrids? I dont think so...
Brother Coa wrote:The most probably thing that can happen to Tau would be a GIGANTIC Tyranid fleet noming their entire empire. While Calgar seat in orbit and eat Emperor's popcorn...
Nope, and heres why: Tau dont show up on the tyranid radar like humans do. They are far less psykic and dont overpopulate nearly as badly as the imperial worlds do. Sure a tyranid fleet might feed on them ON THE WAY to a more tasty meal, but its more likely that a splinterfleet or vanguard force would arrive first, and thats manageable from a tau perspektive. On a different note, can tau even become genestealer hybrids? I dont think so...
Doesn't matter. The Tyranids aren't drawn to areas of high psychic activity. Leviathan was redirected because an Ork empire was infested with genestealers, which were there due to the high biomass of the area.
And the last point is complete speculation. Why wouldn't they be able to become genestealer hybrids?
They can be geanestealer hybrids. It's not a human only thing. Everyone can be infected. Tau might have an easier time dealing with geanestealers because they lack the massive populations of outsiders that you would find in a under hive. At the same time, they might not have the know how to detect a geanestealer infection.
iproxtaco wrote:
Doesn't matter. The Tyranids aren't drawn to areas of high psychic activity. Leviathan was redirected because an Ork empire was infested with genestealers, which were there due to the high biomass of the area.
And the last point is complete speculation. Why wouldn't they be able to become genestealer hybrids?
not true. genestealers need species that register in the warp to function, otherwise they have a hard time communicating with the parent fleet. It was the immense beacon of the astronomican that dragged them to your galaxy in the first place. Yes their drawn to biomass, but their long range communication needs psykic activity to work... I agree that genestealer virus vs. tau is not exactly covered, but logic would have it that they make poor hosts...
Tau would also be more likely to detect infected members of their society, because Tau are so deeply dedicated to the greater good, they would probably report themselves being infected rather than forming genestealer cults.
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