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Delephont wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:You know I see this more like "Typical anime humor" rather than "sex", thats why I say corvus belli explores the anime concept very well.

I used the line "sex sells" because of the general point being made, that CB have gone down the path of making the females ultra sexy as opposed to combat effective. It's not a statement of my personal opinion.

To be honest, if I don't like a mini in their range, I don't buy it, simple as that. I may make a point on a forum that I don't like it and why, if it comes up in conversation.....others may agree or disagree, but I won't keep scratching the itch as some people are won't to do.

Some of the guys on here arn't going to be verbally swayed to change their opinions, so why bother trying either way to convince others that your view is somehow the RIGHT view.

I don't know about you but I would like that someone persuades me STOP collecting infinity...

Cheesecake-Term use to describe pictures of provocatively clad, sexually attractive women.

Cheesecake? Who the hell comes up with these über lame terms?

Some guys in the early 20th century.

Slarg232 wrote:Also, it would be a lot less pointless if the person who made the topic didn't sabotage the discussion in the first place. No one was complaining about those particular models....

Ok, this is for me... and got me completely WTF?!

I created this thread, with images of the Infinity december releases because those are the miniatures that started this discussion in this forum, and the Infinity official forums, and warseer, and 4chan, and many other forums.

Apart from that... at least I create a thread about this particular subject, at least I spend a few minutes uploading visible images so everybody can discuss, I even did quoted a message from YOU, Slarg232, and managed to make your mentioned images visible, cause you posted all broken links. Are you living in the same reality as we all do?

And you acuse me of Sabotage?! sabotage?! Really?! Have we all gone crazy or something?


I consider myself an active user, ok, I bring contents to the forum so we can all write about stuff.
Take a look at the Infinity thread and look who brings 90 fething percent of the images, hey, it's me! Hello?

Jesus! boy, sometimes I don´t know why the feth I'm wasting my time with trolls, rude users and ungrateful people.

And this is a message to you all: Stop believing that what you think is what "everyone" is thinking. Stop believing that your opinion is everybody else's opinion, for god's sake. That's some EGO problem.

BobbaFett wrote:
Jesus! boy, sometimes I don´t know why the feth I'm wasting my time with trolls, rude users and ungrateful people.

Because one tree does not make a forest?

Melissia wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:So in the context of sexualized images calling a male subject "fruitcake" would refer to the later not the former would it not?

Usually they use the term beefcake.

I was trying to maintain the dessert motif when naming the female (or gay male as CT gamer pointed out) version of "cheesecake".


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Pyriel- wrote:

Cheesecake-Term use to describe pictures of provocatively clad, sexually attractive women.

Cheesecake? Who the hell comes up with these über lame terms?

No idea but its making me hungry (and I indeed have both fruitcake and cheesecake left over in the freezer/fridge from the holidays!).

He's accusing you of "sabotage" because the discussion in question had nothing to do with the Posthumans or Al Hawwa. It started off as discussing just how the Posthumans were "yet another bad design decision"(at least that's how I stated it, since people were doing a comparison of 40k and Infinity) which started with the horrendous Daktari model and continued onwards.

The Posthumans are "bad design decisions" simply because out of all 3 models, none are actively doing anything which makes sense. If those models are supposed to be fielded together it looks like you have a hopscotching schoolgirl, a woman wearing an octopus for a hairpiece on her helmet, and a sniper robot.
Whoever greenlit those three models made a poor decision. I call it that, simply put, because the ALEPH range as it stands is very much lacking in variety. Almost every female model(The Asuras, Deva, and Dasyu Hacker are pretty much the exception--and the last one is questionable, as she is still kind of striking a pose) is striking a pose, while the males are actively posed in the manner befitting the background of the Special Services Section.

When you put the two together, the females look like they're in a promotional piece put forth by the ALEPH Special Services Section and O-12 to bring in new recruits.

BobbaFett wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Also, it would be a lot less pointless if the person who made the topic didn't sabotage the discussion in the first place. No one was complaining about those particular models....

Ok, this is for me... and got me completely WTF?!

I created this thread, with images of the Infinity december releases because those are the miniatures that started this discussion in this forum, and the Infinity official forums, and warseer, and 4chan, and many other forums.

Apart from that... at least I create a thread about this particular subject, at least I spend a few minutes uploading visible images so everybody can discuss, I even did quoted a message from YOU, Slarg232, and managed to make your mentioned images visible, cause you posted all broken links. Are you living in the same reality as we all do?

And you acuse me of Sabotage?! sabotage?! Really?! Have we all gone crazy or something?


I consider myself an active user, ok, I bring contents to the forum so we can all write about stuff.
Take a look at the Infinity thread and look who brings 90 fething percent of the images, hey, it's me! Hello?

Jesus! boy, sometimes I don´t know why the feth I'm wasting my time with trolls, rude users and ungrateful people.

And this is a message to you all: Stop believing that what you think is what "everyone" is thinking. Stop believing that your opinion is everybody else's opinion, for god's sake. That's some EGO problem.

Relax. Just say, "Yo, this is my thread. Just because I'm boba-fething-fett
doesn't mean that I'm out for bounties." Unless you ARE out for bounties.
Then I'd be compelled to toss you to a sarlacc, however, it's a good topic,
so I expect good things.

I think cheesecake has been a part of Infinity since the beginning.

Kanluwen wrote:He's accusing you of "sabotage" because the discussion in question had nothing to do with the Posthumans or Al Hawwa. It started off as discussing just how the Posthumans were "yet another bad design decision"(at least that's how I stated it, since people were doing a comparison of 40k and Infinity) which started with the horrendous Daktari model and continued onwards.

The Posthumans are "bad design decisions" simply because out of all 3 models, none are actively doing anything which makes sense. If those models are supposed to be fielded together it looks like you have a hopscotching schoolgirl, a woman wearing an octopus for a hairpiece on her helmet, and a sniper robot.
Whoever greenlit those three models made a poor decision. I call it that, simply put, because the ALEPH range as it stands is very much lacking in variety. Almost every female model(The Asuras, Deva, and Dasyu Hacker are pretty much the exception--and the last one is questionable, as she is still kind of striking a pose) is striking a pose, while the males are actively posed in the manner befitting the background of the Special Services Section.

When you put the two together, the females look like they're in a promotional piece put forth by the ALEPH Special Services Section and O-12 to bring in new recruits.

What I`m reading is: -"Infinity has a poor quality range because of the Daktaris and... many others". But no one upload images to the forum to show their arguments.
Maybe someone reads this thread and thinks that the whole Infinity range is like the Daktaris.

I'm the only one here who spend a few minutes putting images, and now you, instead of uploading images that could prove your point right, are acusing me of posting "inapropiate images".

This is fething hilarious!


I`m not with you here,not agree at all.
You are throwing gak to the whole infinity range, without showing a fething picture of what you are talking about. If you want to say something about a miniature, upload the picture so we can all see what you are taliking about. Lazy people.

EDIT: By the way. The "horrendous Daktaris" is a top 10 best selling miniature of the range. Who do you think CB will pay attention to, sales or forums?

Kanluwen wrote:
Whoever greenlit those three models made a poor decision. .

I agree! Totally agree! Thats why its one of the most appealling factions from infinity atm... and I just want to resist splashing money on yet another faction! I hate them and their poor decisions.

Cheesecake may have been a part of Infinity since the beginning, but it wasn't a defining feature then(and aside from the factions that Slarg mentioned) and it isn't a defining feature now.

PanOceania, Haqqislam, the Combined Army, and Yu-Jing are pretty much free of these kinds of models. It just seems like they went overboard with the other factions to compensate.

I see nothing wrong with cheesecake in gaming.

BobbaFett wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:He's accusing you of "sabotage" because the discussion in question had nothing to do with the Posthumans or Al Hawwa. It started off as discussing just how the Posthumans were "yet another bad design decision"(at least that's how I stated it, since people were doing a comparison of 40k and Infinity) which started with the horrendous Daktari model and continued onwards.

The Posthumans are "bad design decisions" simply because out of all 3 models, none are actively doing anything which makes sense. If those models are supposed to be fielded together it looks like you have a hopscotching schoolgirl, a woman wearing an octopus for a hairpiece on her helmet, and a sniper robot.
Whoever greenlit those three models made a poor decision. I call it that, simply put, because the ALEPH range as it stands is very much lacking in variety. Almost every female model(The Asuras, Deva, and Dasyu Hacker are pretty much the exception--and the last one is questionable, as she is still kind of striking a pose) is striking a pose, while the males are actively posed in the manner befitting the background of the Special Services Section.

When you put the two together, the females look like they're in a promotional piece put forth by the ALEPH Special Services Section and O-12 to bring in new recruits.

What I`m reading is: -"Infinity has a poor quality range because of the Daktaris and... many others". But no one upload images to the forum to show their arguments.
Maybe someone reads this thread and thinks that the whole Infinity range is like the Daktaris.

Then I suggest you start taking English classes, BobbaFett.
No one whatsoever is saying anything like that.
Saying a model is bad does not mean the range is bad. And saying it does not fit does not mean that the quality is poor.

But then again, you certainly must be aware of that.

I'm the only one here who spend a few minutes putting images, and now you, instead of uploading images that could prove your point right, are acusing me of posting "inapropiate images".

This is fething hilarious!

Uh, what?

I`m not with you here,not agree at all.
You are throwing gak to the whole infinity range, without showing a fething picture of what you are talking about. If you want to say something about a miniature, upload the picture so we can all see what you are taliking about. Lazy people.

Because I totally did not provide a link in the thread where I made my original comments.
Infinity's site doesn't allow image hotlinking, so it's kind of a pain in the butt when you're trying to comment on multiple things.

EDIT: By the way. The "horrendous Daktaris" is a top 10 best selling miniature of the range. Who do you think CB will pay attention to, sales or forums?

So what? Mantic has some "best selling" miniatures, but do you see many people playing Kings of War?

Everyone kindly keep it friendly and calm.

Boba, there's no need to freak out. If someone is out of line, mistakes your intention, or is otherwise rude, the best approach is to respond in a polite way or not respond at all. If you find their post rude, hit the little yellow triangle on the post and type in what you find objectionable about it. A moderator will review and deal with as necessary.

Korraz wrote:Some guys in the early 20th century.

See also:
http://www.word-detective.com/032404.html#cheesecake

Kanluwen wrote:Cheesecake may have been a part of Infinity since the beginning, but it wasn't a defining feature then(and aside from the factions that Slarg mentioned) and it isn't a defining feature now.

PanOceania, Haqqislam, the Combined Army, and Yu-Jing are pretty much free of these kinds of models. It just seems like they went overboard with the other factions to compensate.

I can see some sexy gals in yujing in contained action poses and I don't have the time to check other factions so what are you referring to?

I looked yet again to aleph and man the poses of the gals are in action, some running some giving orders others looking imposing etc etc etc....

Well, considering the Fluff of Infinity and the Nomads especially, I think it's completely within possibility that some of the Nomad and Aleph girls are indeed striking poses. Publicity and that stuff.

Kanluwen wrote:

BobbaFett wrote:
EDIT: By the way. The "horrendous Daktaris" is a top 10 best selling miniature of the range. Who do you think CB will pay attention to, sales or forums?

So what? Mantic has some "best selling" miniatures, but do you see many people playing Kings of War?

No I don't, but I do see mantic expanding and growing... thats the point

I am not sure why anyone thinks that a robot designed with high heels on would have any more difficulty walking or running than a robot designed any other way...

Kanluwen wrote:Infinity's site doesn't allow image hotlinking, so it's kind of a pain in the butt when you're trying to comment on multiple things.

But I do, I spend a few minutes saving the images from the infinity website, uploading them to tinypic, writing the captcha and finally posting them here... so we can see the images and discuss.

Doing that allows us to have the images on the forum.
Making this a better thread.
Making this a better forum.

... a better world... ... full of happy faces...

But it seems like I'm making a sabotage to what some people is writing about, and instead of showing what the **** they are talking about, they just say I'm the bad-guy here.

Post your own images, people. I still don´t know what you are writing about.


EDIT: By the way, I also do not like high heels in the female models.

BobbaFett wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Also, it would be a lot less pointless if the person who made the topic didn't sabotage the discussion in the first place. No one was complaining about those particular models....

*snip*

Let me explain; I said sabatoge because of the way you had the OP; We were never complaining about the Cheesecake Aleph Models, just that their poses were silly. We think that the other models (Bear Bum, See-through-shirt, and the like) are Cheesecake, yes, especially when you look at armies like Haqqilslam, PanO, and YuJing, which are lacking in such areas. That's the point; the models are stupidly "Sexy" when you compare them to A) Other models in said range, and B) other females in the other armies.

The fact that you got our two arguements (The silly poses of the Aleph, and the Cheesecake nature of the females) into one (The Cheesecake nature of the Aleph Females) kind of sabotages the discussion from the get go, not that it was intentional.

Sorry I didn't explain myself thoroughly.

This is the exact same issue that has been argued for years in the comic book and video game fanbases and the critics thereof. It happens all the time in fantasy artwork, there's a reason for all the chainmail bikini jokes. It happens in every industry that is dominated by nerdy geeky males: the guys are all 6 foot, body of a greek god, tough-as-nails billy-badasses and the girls look like playboy centerfolds shooting machine guns in Daisy Dukes and high heals. It's the same argument in World of Warcraft where the male heroes have full body plate armor, but the same armor pieces on female characters suddenly have more in common with a swimsuit than an armored suit.

It's a tired argument, it's an old argument, and it's a pointless argument. For every person offended by it, there's a hundred people that love it and will buy it up all the faster. Love it or hate it, it isn't changing because it sells too much, so deal with it.

Personally, I don't mind it. I'd rather have them in more "realistic" poses and outfits, but whatever. Only ones I don't like are the exceptionally wierd action poses (male or female) and the full body heavy armor but still somehow skin tight ones like the female ORC troopers. That's not a sex thing, they just look odd. Or the ones where they tried for sexy, but failed horribly like the "catgirl" Nomad Daktaris.

BobbaFett wrote:By the way. The "horrendous Daktaris" is a top 10 best selling miniature of the range. Who do you think CB will pay attention to, sales or forums?

You do realize that the Infinity models suffer from the particular design flaw of being "not Space Marines."

In many peoples' eyes, this makes them terrible miniatures. Dakka has a fair share of these types.

If I am gonna be looking at the backside of minis for 2-3 hours per game, it might as well be a woman's.

biccat wrote:

BobbaFett wrote:By the way. The "horrendous Daktaris" is a top 10 best selling miniature of the range. Who do you think CB will pay attention to, sales or forums?

You do realize that the Infinity models suffer from the particular design flaw of being "not Space Marines."

In many peoples' eyes, this makes them terrible miniatures. Dakka has a fair share of these types.

So it is impossible to not like a non-GW miniature/game without being a fanboy?

That is a weak defense...

thehod wrote:

If I am gonna be looking at the backside of minis for 2-3 hours per game, it might as well be a woman's.

Lol. I do this with my MMORPG characters.

However, the game and genre dictate to what extent this is feasible.

World War 2 with cheesecake anyone? (Nose art aside)

Slarg232 wrote:

BobbaFett wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Also, it would be a lot less pointless if the person who made the topic didn't sabotage the discussion in the first place. No one was complaining about those particular models....

*snip*

Let me explain; I said sabatoge because of the way you had the OP; We were never complaining about the Cheesecake Aleph Models, just that their poses were silly. We think that the other models (Bear Bum, See-through-shirt, and the like) are Cheesecake, yes, especially when you look at armies like Haqqilslam, PanO, and YuJing, which are lacking in such areas. That's the point; the models are stupidly "Sexy" when you compare them to A) Other models in said range, and B) other females in the other armies.

The fact that you got our two arguements (The silly poses of the Aleph, and the Cheesecake nature of the females) into one (The Cheesecake nature of the Aleph Females) kind of sabotages the discussion from the get go, not that it was intentional.

Sorry I didn't explain myself thoroughly.

Again? I don't get were are you coming from when you say yujing is lacking of sexy ladies?! All factions have some degree of sexy ladies or baboon girls. Sexy gals is a anime thing and infinity is based on anime so were do sexy women with big guns clash with infinity? Its like some of you are struggling to prove only one or two factions have sexyness and that it clashes with the infinity core... thats just to far fetched mate.

CT GAMER wrote:

biccat wrote:

BobbaFett wrote:By the way. The "horrendous Daktaris" is a top 10 best selling miniature of the range. Who do you think CB will pay attention to, sales or forums?

You do realize that the Infinity models suffer from the particular design flaw of being "not Space Marines."

In many peoples' eyes, this makes them terrible miniatures. Dakka has a fair share of these types.

So it is impossible to not like a non-GW miniature/game without being a fanboy?

That is a weak defense...

That was obviously an attempt to get a rise out of us......

malfred wrote:
World War 2 with cheesecake anyone?

Dont get me started, I will put my horny lonely sculptor hat and this thread will be doomed

NAVARRO wrote:

malfred wrote:
World War 2 with cheesecake anyone?

Dont get me started, I will put my horny lonely sculptor hat and this thread will be doomed

I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm saying that a faithful re-enactment
will not include such models. Also no beefcake.

Mannahnin wrote:

ArbeitsSchu wrote:

Melissia wrote:It's a show of utter laziness by the sculptor that they essentially use bathing suit models as their basis for poses. It's like the link I posted above, how many lazy comic book artists did the same thing and resulted in poses which looked dumb and out of context.

Is it worth noting that women can and do stand like that when posing? Including the apparently much reviled "bathing suit models"? I recall knowing at least one model who was renowned for her ability to twist so that both her boobs and her ass were 'in shot' at the same time. She managed to do that without complaining of any pain.

Naturally. If you want a miniature which portrays a woman posing for a picture, to best display her physical assets, then such a pose is perfectly reasonable. If, OTOH, you want a miniature posed like they're in the middle of a battle, such a pose breaks verisimilitude very badly.

I personally like the cyberpunk/oldschool anime look to some of the models. They look alright and if I decide to to Tomorrow's War in 28mm I might pick some up. If they are supposed to be super secret agents or super hackers ( I don't know, i've never looked at Infinity's backstory) then mission accomplished. They look like they could be hanging out with Motoko Kusinagi in Newport city or riding in the back of a Tachikoma. Which is a plus in my deptartment. YMMV.

ArbeitsSchu wrote:Without actually looking at the Infinity background or product (beyond the miniatures) I gather that they are trying for a bit of a "Heavy Metal" look to them, much like the comics. If that is the case, then the sculptors have got that look down. (Metal Hurlant, not the GW painting page.)

Depends on what story in Heavy Metal/Metal Hurlant you're talking about. The ones with pinups and pulchritude are just as much fantasies as some of these minis. But Heavy Metal had a lot of stories with more realistic art and costumes too.