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ifStatement wrote:You know if you really want to go to town on the whole 'what you can and can't define as meat' thing, you could argue that vegetables are meat as much of the soil they are grown in is fertilised using cow gak. It would be a much more efficient way of derailing an argument into a futile debate over definition.
Arguably then, since cow gak is a byproduct of a meat based organism, you could state that. But then how do we assess which vegetables are meat based and non meat based? Do we look at the nutrients that feed the plant? I mean, we could even start classifying plants based upon soil and non-soil production.
But where do we start? Should we begin with the most generalized definitions of meat and non-meat, then begin classifying the non-meats into derivatives of meat and things considered meat because we use meat somewhere in the process of creating the food?
First, we need scientists. Not because they would be useful or anything, but more because they would make whatever we come up with, sound reasonable to a person like me. They say "Yes, a tomato IS indeed meat, because of X chromosome and Y nutrient" And a fella like me can just nod and say "Yup. sounds about right"
But then again, I think if we were to do that, then one could easily argue that vegetables arnt meat at all, and are a species of marine life. Because of all the water they receive. Then we would have to define water! Ohhhhh......the plot thickens!
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KingCracker wrote:Excuse my ignorance, but GMO?
Genetically Modified Organisms.
Ahh, many thanks
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ifStatement wrote:You know if you really want to go to town on the whole 'what you can and can't define as meat' thing, you could argue that vegetables are meat as much of the soil they are grown in is fertilised using cow gak. It would be a much more efficient way of derailing an argument into a futile debate over definition.
Arguably then, since cow gak is a byproduct of a meat based organism, you could state that. But then how do we assess which vegetables are meat based and non meat based? Do we look at the nutrients that feed the plant? I mean, we could even start classifying plants based upon soil and non-soil production.
But where do we start? Should we begin with the most generalized definitions of meat and non-meat, then begin classifying the non-meats into derivatives of meat and things considered meat because we use meat somewhere in the process of creating the food?
Oh you want to go there? Ok just be careful you don't go too far along the path of bs that you conclude that all meat is a plant because the animals feed off plant life to get their nutrients.
The sensible conclusion is trying to argue that eggs and dairy are meat is dumb.
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I agree an egg is an animal of sorts, unlike cheese, milk, etc. Besides, by definition dairy is catagorised as milk and products formed with it.
dair·y/ˈde(ə)rē/
Noun:
A building, room, or establishment for the storage, processing, and distribution of milk and milk products.
Adjective:
Containing or made from milk.
n0t_u wrote:I agree an egg is an animal of sorts, unlike cheese, milk, etc. Besides, by definition dairy is catagorised as milk and products formed with it.
dair·y/ˈde(ə)rē/
Noun:
A building, room, or establishment for the storage, processing, and distribution of milk and milk products.
Adjective:
Containing or made from milk.
I may have said this before, but I've generally found that among vegetarians eggs are a sort of grey area.
Some will eat them, others won't. The thinking being that, much as with synthetic meat, the main issue is harm to the animal.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
What kind, a chemist, or a biologist? Or perhaps a biochemist?
Be more specific. Science isn't just "SCIENCE!" *thrusts fist in to the air triumphantly* It's many different flavors of "SCIENCE!" *thrusts fist in to the air triumphantly*.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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What kind, a chemist, or a biologist? Or perhaps a biochemist?
Be more specific. Science isn't just "SCIENCE!" *thrusts fist in to the air triumphantly* It's many different flavors of "SCIENCE!" *thrusts fist in to the air triumphantly*.
This is how science works:
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
What kind, a chemist, or a biologist? Or perhaps a biochemist?
Be more specific. Science isn't just "SCIENCE!" *thrusts fist in to the air triumphantly* It's many different flavors of "SCIENCE!" *thrusts fist in to the air triumphantly*.
In a land of generalizing until your point is made to the masses......who cares what type of scientist, you just need A , scientist
What kind, a chemist, or a biologist? Or perhaps a biochemist?
Be more specific. Science isn't just "SCIENCE!" *thrusts fist in to the air triumphantly* It's many different flavors of "SCIENCE!" *thrusts fist in to the air triumphantly*.
In a land of generalizing until your point is made to the masses......who cares what type of scientist, you just need A , scientist
Ok, Time to get sociologists and psychologists in here to solve this.
Screw that, I want an volanologist. They really know what's hot.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
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