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80% of skin content is collagen. Yet skin has no flavor WHY COME??

Why is intramuscular fat content (higher=better) and age (younger=better) the determinants of USDA grading? Why is a younger animal with more fat more flavorful and tender?

sourclams wrote:80% of skin content is collagen. Yet skin has no flavor WHY COME??

Uh, what?

sourclam wrote:80% of skin content is collagen. Yet skin has no flavor WHY COME??

Truly, it's the worst part of the chicken. And who eats pork rinds?

sourclam wrote:Why is intramuscular fat content (higher=better) and age (younger=better) the determinants of USDA grading? Why is a younger animal with more fat more flavorful and tender?

Tenderness is irrelevant in this case, because I'm talking about tougher cuts of meat. Like short ribs and oxtails. Also, what part of the animal are we talking about? A filet mignon is more tender than a ribeye, but doesn't have as much flavor and is a bit less tender. This is because the muscle is worked more, and in general, the tougher the cut of meat the more flavorful it is. What makes meat tough? Collagen. Even after you trim away all of the elastin and everything else.

sourclams wrote:
Which is absorbed into the... wait for it... fat.

MMMMM....that smoked vegetable oil tastes mighty fine.

daedalus wrote:I'd probably eat it at least once. Then again, I'd probably eat people if it was legal.

Lmao xD can I sig this?

Sure, go for it man.

Melissia wrote:I wouldn't mind lab-grown meat. At least it's likely to have less human growth hormones in it if done properly.

Id say that its MORE likely...what with not having a live animal to produce any hormones naturally in the first place.





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If they say that synthesized animal meat is okay for vegetarians to eat because it doesnt involve an actual animal...

does that make eating synthesized human meat not cannibalism?

sourclams wrote:80% of skin content is collagen. Yet skin has no flavor WHY COME??

Why is intramuscular fat content (higher=better) and age (younger=better) the determinants of USDA grading? Why is a younger animal with more fat more flavorful and tender?

Actually younger meat tends to be more tender, but lacks developed and deep flavors. For any given animal, the younger specimen will tend to have a much more mild flavor. Compare say, Veal to Beef. or a "Broiler/Fryer" chicken to a "Stewing Hen".

This why tough cuts of meat can stand up to say, a rich stew with tons of aromatic vegetables and seasonings.. A lot of the flavor of many more tender cuts would just get lost in all the noise.


EDIT: Which isn't to say fat isn't flavorful, it most certainly it is. It's just inaccurate to say "Young/marbled meat = more flavor always".

Has to be better than the reconstituted poo-meat from a few months back.

Chongara wrote:fething scientists. They'll try and get anyone to swallow any kind of gak just to keep looking like they're actually smarter than people with real common sense.

Me? If it don't Oink, Cackle or Moo I don't eat it. If your mom raised you with even an once of sense, you'll think the same.

What about fish? They do neither, and are pretty tastey with some fries (Or chips to you weirdo Europeans ) But I agree. There was a thread a few months ago about that Japanese scientist that found a way to filter actual human poo, into an edible paste that tasted like meat. Good god I hope its not the pooh meat now

I'm pretty sure chongara is a parody persona used to take the mick out of traditionalist republicans.

In most cases I'd agree with you, corpses, but Chongara is dead on here.

I'm not disagreeing with him, more pointing out that I don't think he is serious himself.

OK, so poo-burgers are disgusting, but what about turd-bacon?

It's the ultimate dilemma!

Oh dammit, that is the ultimate dilemma. One the one hand, its friggin pooh. On the other hand..........

Joey wrote:No matter how meat is produced it's still far less efficient than vegetation at providing calories/protein for inputted energy/water.

There are nutrients you can ONLY get from eating meat. We're omnivores, we are set up to handle meat and need it in a balanced diet.

Google the diet that Gladiators ate. If they ate meat, it certainly wasnt from their owners thats for sure.

They also were unhealthy and often only expected to live a few months at most (and most of that was spent being transported to the arena so they could die the first day).

Luco wrote:There are nutrients you can ONLY get from eating meat.

That's not true.

Yes, it is, I took a class on it. I really don't want to dig through my notes, but I can if I absolutely have to.

Luco wrote:Yes, it is, I took a class on it. I really don't want to dig through my notes, but I can if I absolutely have to.

Here, I'll do it for you,

Wikipedia wrote:Most meats contain a full complement of the amino acids required for the human diet. Fruits and vegetables, by contrast, sometimes lack several essential amino acids contained in meat. It is for this reason that people who abstain from eating all meat need to plan their diet more carefully to include vegetarian sources of all the necessary amino acids.

You took a class on it... along with every single American who has at least one recent (within the past ten years) college degree, I believe. It was something that Bush put in place before the 9/11/01 attacks if I'm not mistaken.

Meats are good for a balanced diet. They really shouldn't be avoided entirely, even if you should not focus your diet around them.

Well, B12 (and I think a few other very trace-nutrient-y things) are extremely hard to get from non-animals sources. In terms of things humans eat animals are pretty much the only naturally occurring source. If you're vegan I know you can supplement, and I'd be willing to be guess there is some kind of fermented thing somewhere that provides it, as iirc bacteria ultimately produce it just not in contexts where humans would usually be able to consume enough of it.

That said you don't strictly have to eat any meat. Milk & eggs are generally a pretty reasonable source of animal nutrients without anything having to get it's head chopped off.

Melissia wrote:You took a class on it... along with every single American who has at least one recent (within the past ten years) college degree, I believe. It was something that Bush put in place before the 9/11/01 attacks if I'm not mistaken.

Meats are good for a balanced diet. They really shouldn't be avoided entirely, even if you should not focus your diet around them.

I don't think so, it wasn't a requirement just the most interesting science of my choices and even then I was finished with the sciences already at the univ, just took a semester at a community college that wanted me to take another science. That's pretty strange if that is the case though.

Melissia wrote:You took a class on it... along with every single American who has at least one recent (within the past ten years) college degree, I believe. It was something that Bush put in place before the 9/11/01 attacks if I'm not mistaken.

Meats are good for a balanced diet. They really shouldn't be avoided entirely, even if you should not focus your diet around them.

Asmuch as i hate the guy im going to quote MIcheacl Pollen
"Eat food, Not too much, Mostly Plants"
Dont eat Nutrients, Eat Food.

corpsesarefun wrote:And a circulatory system to deliver the nutrients to the right places...

Though if you found a way to supply the needed nutrients and electrically stimulated it to induce muscle spasms you could exercise it.

I would hope that they would have some sort of a circulatory system in order to actually make these sorts of things, but I dunno, not actually seen pictures. It could just be a blob of some horrifying pink mass.

If it is an actual muscle they are growing, having a nervous system would not really be a problem, since muscles are made to contract given any electrical charge. They could just do it with electrode stimulation.

It would feel kind of weird eating meat not from an animal. It's all a bit Soylent Green for my tastes.

Krellnus wrote:

Luco wrote:Yes, it is, I took a class on it. I really don't want to dig through my notes, but I can if I absolutely have to.

Here, I'll do it for you,

Wikipedia wrote:Most meats contain a full complement of the amino acids required for the human diet. Fruits and vegetables, by contrast, sometimes lack several essential amino acids contained in meat. It is for this reason that people who abstain from eating all meat need to plan their diet more carefully to include vegetarian sources of all the necessary amino acids.

I am always confused when people do not associate nuts in with vegetarians. Am I missing something about the vegetarian movement and nuts?

Do they not like nuts?

Corn, beans and squash (eaten together) form a complete protein, similar to what is found in meats.

Quinoa does too.

I eat quinoa (pronounced kee-nwah as far as I know), squash, nuts, beans, corn, eggs, cheese and meat several times a week.

Yay protein!