Adepticon Championship Top 16 Lists...

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**Dugg**

@Centurian99 - that is a mistake people make when I leave everything in reserve. Add to that having Snikrot coming in on any table edge it can really mess with my opponents standard game plan.

**RiTides**

Dugg wrote:@ RiTides - You should have said hello! Bill and I were having a crazy game, dice rolls were all over the place, but I think we were all tired more thn serious. I know I was WAY on the Tired side.

Yeah, I know! Next time... was also cool how you'd blinged out your TableWar case, cup holder and everything

**Denied**

Hey guys I am new to posting on the Dakka forums, I was Centurian99's 1st round opponent on Sunday (Dave). I noticed a lot of the guys from Sundays games are on these forums and just wanted to stop in and say hi to everyone and thank those people I got to play against for some awesome games! Also Reece I REALLY wanted to play your scarab farm list with my Purifiers /sad panda that you sold it.

I look forward to seeing you guys again next year at Adepticon and hopefully I get to play against some of you guys in the future as well.

**Reecius**

Nice to meet you too!

And purifiers are bad news bears for scarabs! Haha, but i'm always game for a challenge. We're building another cron list at the shop, hopefully i'll have a chance to bring it out before 6th ed.

**Denied**

Reecius wrote:Nice to meet you too!

And purifiers are bad news bears for scarabs! Haha, but i'm always game for a challenge. We're building another cron list at the shop, hopefully i'll have a chance to bring it out before 6th ed.

Look forward to seeing the battle reports on it. What's the list if you don't mind my asking? And so help me if you say 3 annihilation barges and 3 full squads of Wraiths I am going to scream :-P

**Reecius**

The final list isn't sey, but it is an eclectic mix. At least 6 to 9 spyders and a unit of scarabs to make the farm, and then z mix of wraiths, tomb blades, oveflords, royal court and troops. It's got a little of everything as we've found those types of lists are more flexible than spam, and in the right hands, will be more likely to win games against a wide variety of opponents.

**Denied**

I agree completely with you about trying to have a little bit of everything. I wont deny I played a spam heavy list, but it was not all I had hoped it would be at the tourney. I am taking away a few things for my future army builds and the biggest one is to have more than just super awesome unit X 15 times.

**Centurian99**

Denied wrote:Hey guys I am new to posting on the Dakka forums, I was Centurian99's 1st round opponent on Sunday (Dave). I noticed a lot of the guys from Sundays games are on these forums and just wanted to stop in and say hi to everyone and thank those people I got to play against for some awesome games! Also Reece I REALLY wanted to play your scarab farm list with my Purifiers /sad panda that you sold it.

I look forward to seeing you guys again next year at Adepticon and hopefully I get to play against some of you guys in the future as well.

Good to see you here, Dave! Thanks again for the consolation prize - it probably was the main thing that kept me from just writing the day off as a bad idea after round 2.

B

**Denied**

Centurian99 wrote:
Denied wrote:Hey guys I am new to posting on the Dakka forums, I was Centurian99's 1st round opponent on Sunday (Dave). I noticed a lot of the guys from Sundays games are on these forums and just wanted to stop in and say hi to everyone and thank those people I got to play against for some awesome games! Also Reece I REALLY wanted to play your scarab farm list with my Purifiers /sad panda that you sold it.

I look forward to seeing you guys again next year at Adepticon and hopefully I get to play against some of you guys in the future as well.

Good to see you here, Dave! Thanks again for the consolation prize - it probably was the main thing that kept me from just writing the day off as a bad idea after round 2.

B

Any time sir! I even got to have a few consolation prizes myself after rounds 2 and 3 :-D

**RiTides**

Denied wrote:Hey guys I am new to posting on the Dakka forums, I was Centurian99's 1st round opponent on Sunday (Dave). I noticed a lot of the guys from Sundays games are on these forums and just wanted to stop in and say hi to everyone and thank those people I got to play against for some awesome games! Also Reece I REALLY wanted to play your scarab farm list with my Purifiers /sad panda that you sold it.

I look forward to seeing you guys again next year at Adepticon and hopefully I get to play against some of you guys in the future as well.

It's really cool to see so many of the top tourney players active in this section of Dakka

Lots to learn from, live vicariously through, etc!

**The Everliving**

The final list isn't sey, but it is an eclectic mix. At least 6 to 9 spyders and a unit of scarabs to make the farm, and then z mix of wraiths, tomb blades, oveflords, royal court and troops. It's got a little of everything as we've found those types of lists are more flexible than spam, and in the right hands, will be more likely to win games against a wide variety of opponents.

Well you know what colour to paint it if you want it to do well, Reece

I lost track over the weekend of the number of spectators who asked me if I painted it that colour to put my opponents off their game

**RiTides**

I'm guessing you're the pink necrons, then, right?

**The Everliving**

Got it in one!

**-666-**

So Alex why did you paint them pink? I really want to know.

**Blackmoor**

The funny thing is that the necrons are not his only pink army.

**Reecius**

Yeah, his Chaos are pink too, with Faerie Daemon Princes!

**Mannahnin**

Don't forget the Strawberry Shortcake (Alpha) Legion.

**Alpharius**

Mannahnin wrote:Don't forget the Strawberry Shortcake (Alpha) Legion.

I might have to!

**Mannahnin**

Really they were just costumed as the Strawberry Shortcake Marines, who are a well-known (

) loyalist chapter.

**d-usa**

I just had to find a picture of that now:

**yakface**

The Everliving wrote:
The final list isn't sey, but it is an eclectic mix. At least 6 to 9 spyders and a unit of scarabs to make the farm, and then z mix of wraiths, tomb blades, oveflords, royal court and troops. It's got a little of everything as we've found those types of lists are more flexible than spam, and in the right hands, will be more likely to win games against a wide variety of opponents.

Well you know what colour to paint it if you want it to do well, Reece

I lost track over the weekend of the number of spectators who asked me if I painted it that colour to put my opponents off their game

Alex,

Have you posted your thoughts/strategies regarding your Necron list or Necrons in general anywhere online?

Because I find the Necron codex to be really, really interesting to think about making an army for, so I'd love to read your thoughts about exactly why you have the units you have in your army and whether or not you're thinking about adding or removing anything post-adepticon.

So in other words, if you haven't written anything yet, what do I have to do to entice you to write a little something up here on Dakka?

**Hello1701**

Is there another listing of the top 16 lists? I've tried BoK for days and still can't get it to load.

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Boldo wrote:
derek wrote: I think the only questions I have left is how much the Land Raiders held up against opponent shooting (a lot of the Grey Knight lists look like they'd be relying on Str7 rending to destroy them), and whether you had anything you would change about your list.

I played against 4 GK, and by doing my best and having good rolls i was able to beat 3. The Raiders did well, and survived most of these games. But this happened because i tried to not expose to much them under psycannon fire; i always planned the game keeping safe distances as much as possible. When it was inevitable, you can just find some cover and pray to the Emperor. If anything can resist a bit of S7 rending fire thats a Land Raider.

What to change in the list?. I would like psychic defense with a librarian. However now that is impossible (L9 librarian sucks), so i had to live with that. You can take out one terminator squad an get three typhoon speeders, but i discard this option when i took a look at the missions in Adepticon. I needed as many troops as possible, and with the actual metagame against mech armies those 3 armor 10 skimmers would have been very bad for me in anihilation.

Let's see with the new codex. I just hope that JJ is not involved on this project; i don't want a overpowered codex, but i miss more variety and playable units.

Cheers.

I was considering running a similar style DW in a tourney next month that is not using an anihilation mission, so do you think land speeders option then?

**helium42**

RiTides wrote:
Denied wrote:Hey guys I am new to posting on the Dakka forums, I was Centurian99's 1st round opponent on Sunday (Dave). I noticed a lot of the guys from Sundays games are on these forums and just wanted to stop in and say hi to everyone and thank those people I got to play against for some awesome games! Also Reece I REALLY wanted to play your scarab farm list with my Purifiers /sad panda that you sold it.

I look forward to seeing you guys again next year at Adepticon and hopefully I get to play against some of you guys in the future as well.

It's really cool to see so many of the top tourney players active in this section of Dakka

Lots to learn from, live vicariously through, etc!

I second that notion. I feel like, in my short time in the wargaming hobby, I've picked up so much good information from a lot of the veteran tournament players posting here.

**Thunderfrog**

NoArmorSave wrote:
tastytaste wrote:For anyone interested here is a link to most of the top 16 lists from the Adepticon Finals on Sunday...

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/04/24/tournament-circuit-adepticon-championship-results-and-lists/

Thanks for posting, I wanted to see the other lists besides Chester's Grey Knights.

Honestly, I am not impressed with most of the lists I have reviewed so far. Most of them are not optimized in the most competitive way possible.

Some obervations:

I liked Tony Kopach's Space Wolves. His list is solid, but I would have dropped the Wolf Guard and added a unit of TWC instead.
I would also say that Jose Mendeze's Dark Angels were pretty optimized, however I question running 2 Land Raiders at 1850, even in an all Death Wing army.
Alexander's Necrons seem to be about the best the Necron codex has so far, so Kudos to him. However, his list would be devastated by a proper Fatecrusher or
a good Draigo Wing player IMHO. He didn't face either in this tournament as far as I could tell.

The Daemon player really dropped the ball. He had no Blood Crushers in his list, and he was running Fateweaver. I am not sure how
much he play tested, but the entire list needs to be rebuilt.

The Grey Knight players think they are onto something by running squads of 3 Warrior Acolytes in a Razorback or Chimera, with a couple
supporting units of Purifiers or a unit of Death Cult Assassins. I don't buy it, and think it is far inferior to an IG Leafblower list running Melta
Vets in Chimeras.

I am thinking some of these folks were playing more on the "fluffy" side, than bringing WAAC lists. I dunno, maybe I am just jaded from playing in a hardcore WAAC enviornment.

Not only does this come off as pretty arrogant and judgemental, but it's quite possible these lists are well suited to the tactics and playstyles of the generals involved. This may come as a shock, but a lot of lists can be competitive even if they fly in the face of accepted Dakka wisdom about whats good and whats not.

When I posted my WoC list before Ard'boyz last year I was told it would never work and it went undefeated through all its games against players from Texas, Oklahoma, and wherever the hell else. Just keep in mind that it's possible your WAAC store might have all the shiny net lists but it's far more about the player than the list.

**The Everliving**

Have you posted your thoughts/strategies regarding your Necron list or Necrons in general anywhere online?

Because I find the Necron codex to be really, really interesting to think about making an army for, so I'd love to read your thoughts about exactly why you have the units you have in your army and whether or not you're thinking about adding or removing anything post-adepticon.

So in other words, if you haven't written anything yet, what do I have to do to entice you to write a little something up here on Dakka?

I have not done so yet. Since you asked nicely though

, I'll see if I can get something up over the next couple of days.

On a side note, very glad GW have some new pink paints in their range. I had just about run out of Tentacle Pink!

**MVBrandt**

What a ridiculous early poster suggestion; dropping every 2nd meltagun AND power fist off Tony's Grey Hunters and Scouts, in order to pick up a unit of Thunderwolves, is exactly the kind of list-build mentality that gets people beaten several times over the course of a numerous-game event.

Storehammer / local-RTT-hammer is an issue you constantly run into, with regard to people who win a few games in a small 3-round local tourney or many games in store with solid enough lists, and blame the losses on awful dice (i.e. every time I shot with my grey hunter unit that had only a single meltagun, it missed!!!). Kinda thing always generates a culture and list-mentality-gap between multi-GT winners / high placers and local heroes.

**Denied**

helium42 wrote:
RiTides wrote:
Denied wrote:Hey guys I am new to posting on the Dakka forums, I was Centurian99's 1st round opponent on Sunday (Dave). I noticed a lot of the guys from Sundays games are on these forums and just wanted to stop in and say hi to everyone and thank those people I got to play against for some awesome games! Also Reece I REALLY wanted to play your scarab farm list with my Purifiers /sad panda that you sold it.

I look forward to seeing you guys again next year at Adepticon and hopefully I get to play against some of you guys in the future as well.

It's really cool to see so many of the top tourney players active in this section of Dakka

Lots to learn from, live vicariously through, etc!

I second that notion. I feel like, in my short time in the wargaming hobby, I've picked up so much good information from a lot of the veteran tournament players posting here.

This was actually my first time playing in the Championships I just started playing 40K last year because a friend of mine needed a 4th for his team for Adepticon last year. Fell in love with the hobby bought my first codex and I've been playing hardcore since then.

I have learned so much just by going to a lot of local tournaments and loosing to people like Hulksmash in my local scene :-P

**Redbeard**

Denied wrote:I have learned so much just by going to a lot of local tournaments and loosing to people like Hulksmash in my local scene :-P

Keep it up and soon you can lose to HulkSmash in the national scene

(Like me)

**thanatos67**

MVBrandt wrote:What a ridiculous early poster suggestion; dropping every 2nd meltagun AND power fist off Tony's Grey Hunters and Scouts, in order to pick up a unit of Thunderwolves, is exactly the kind of list-build mentality that gets people beaten several times over the course of a numerous-game event.

Storehammer / local-RTT-hammer is an issue you constantly run into, with regard to people who win a few games in a small 3-round local tourney or many games in store with solid enough lists, and blame the losses on awful dice (i.e. every time I shot with my grey hunter unit that had only a single meltagun, it missed!!!). Kinda thing always generates a culture and list-mentality-gap between multi-GT winners / high placers and local heroes.

^this

When I read that comment about removing the wolf guard in favor of thunderwolves I laughed a little at first, but MVB brings up a very good point with the rest of his post. Regional meta usually differs from what is really good in a TAC environment. What wins NOVA or Adepticon each year might not be what wins your local RTTs, but if you do get to play in these large events you quickly respect the need to be able to face any list variant, which I would say most of the top 16 players could do with a pretty equal chance of winning. Maybe NoArmorSave doesnt have alot of 4 landraider armies, or alot of dark eldar that outmaneuver and blow away his deamons with tons of poisoned and darklight shots, in his local metagame.

Anyway I'm glad i made it into the top 16 this year. I had an opportunity to play some great and really memorable games over the weekend...and I hope the rest of the tournament season yields equally interesting gameplay.

**Unholy_Martyr**

And I would just like to point out that NoArmorSave has posted since I called him out...funny, it almost seems like he's scared someone will come to his home turf and play him.