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helium42 wrote:I second that notion. I feel like, in my short time in the wargaming hobby, I've picked up so much good information from a lot of the veteran tournament players posting here.

Sooooooooooooooooo true! Man, Dakka has for 100% sure made me a better player. The best minds in the game hang out here, no doubt.

When I first came here way back when, I was a little punk-ass that thought I was the hottest thing since sliced bread because I won all my local games. I ran my mouth, called out the top players, got my butt kicked and learned that their was a much bigger gaming scene out there than I knew about (much like a certain armor-less poster we've been dealing with here).

After a much deserved slice of humble pie, I shut up, listened to what other people had to say and over the course of several years actually became a good player instead of just thinking I was. It takes humility and open-mindedness though, the exact opposite of what the internet loud mouths that talk a lot and never win anything show. The only people who are impressed by that empty bravado are people who have also never actually won anything.

Just because something doesn't look good to you, doesn't mean it isn't good for someone else. The game is local, as others have said. And at the highest levels of competition, you have to have a list that can take on anything or one bad match-up and you're boned.

When jokers tell people that have won they are bad of their list sucks, it just sounds so ridiculous; patently so. Hopefully these guys will see how silly they look and learn to be open-minded and they will also become much better, much faster instead of just being a bunch of hot air.

@Unholy Martyr
Yeah, hahahaha, funny how that happens, isn't it?

@ Reecius

Indeed it is! By the way, I was wondering if any of you Frontline Gaming guys were going to be making it to NOVA this year? I'd love to meet you guys and get a few games in; however, whenever there's an event on the West Coast or Southwest where you all are attending, life kicks me in the shins.

We certainly want to. MVBrandt and crew run an awesome event and so long as we can afford to go, we will. I still have a little room on the credit cards after starting Frontline Gaming with Will and Frankie, I may just have to use it for the flight out!

It would be awesome to see a lot of the East Coasters such as yourself that we've never gotten to meet in real life.

Plus, I'd love a rematch with Tony. A tie is like kissing your sister, I'd love to have another go!

Haha, know the feeling. I'm hoping to get a rematch against Stelek myself...

Hopefully you can make it out there.

Ah, you played stelek? Gah, I would LOVE the chance to shut that one up. A smart guy, but what a difficult himan being. I would use every resource available to me to get a first round pairing with him. It would interest me to no end to see if he was as outspoken and rude in real life, or if he lacked the real life courage of his convictions. I often find thaf the lions of the internet are meek lambs in reality. Funny how anonimity makes some people so bold.

At any rate, if we can go, we will! And the first round's on us!

Remember he can't post here to defend himself, though (so in fairness we can't ding him without him being able to respond).

Also, I'm no lover of his blog YTTH, but I was really impressed that he could make it as far as he did at last year's Nova (and Dash, as well). I felt they both backed up their comments by their performance in the tourney. Doesn't mean the comments can't be a little more polite, though

Hopefully I can attend this year (possibly to play warmahordes instead of 40k/fantasy). It'd be insane if I could make Adepticon, but not such an awesome event in my own backyard!

Pinkcrons are hawt. I actually thought they looked awesome (as did my wife)... the humiliation of being beat in the head by pink gauss beams of doom.

Pink orks next year?

He had a pirate ork army (with sails and mast and such on his battlewagons) but I believe he sold it.

@ritides
You're right. And that is a good rule. It's lame to trash people who can't defend themselves. I'll stop.

But nova! YeH, that'd be awesome =)

You can always call him out on his own site or tell MVB to set up a NOVA throwdown.

@Reecius

I'll say this about Stelek, he does not automatically pass judgement. He comes across as a decent mannered individual and stays that way as far as I can tell.

With respect to how he plays, there is a "bullish" feeling during the game as he tries to want to "drive" the game. There are other aspects; however, I won't elaborate as they may be misconstrued or misunderstood.

All in all, playing against him was a learning experience of a different kind.

All I have to say is kudos for the guys that brought the fluffy lists and still made the top 16. This is saying A LOT about the caliber of players that make up this 16. Grats guys!

There were fluffy lists? Only to the eyes of people who only know one way to build a competitive army list.

Unholy_Martyr wrote:@Reecius

I'll say this about Stelek, he does not automatically pass judgement. He comes across as a decent mannered individual and stays that way as far as I can tell.

With respect to how he plays, there is a "bullish" feeling during the game as he tries to want to "drive" the game. There are other aspects; however, I won't elaborate as they may be misconstrued or misunderstood.

All in all, playing against him was a learning experience of a different kind.

All I can say being a Celeb is that "you are judged by your actions" while gaming or not.

Stelek, Dash, Hulk (and a few others) are all polarizing players that have a core of people that listen to what they have to say.

What I am trying to say is to be aware in what your saying and say it in a positive or neutral manner. Back up your opinions with facts that you have on hand concerning the topic being discussed more so than others. That is the price of being a celeb here because people will listen to more on that you have to say than the blokes such as myself.

Yeah, who was playing fluffy lists, the 8 guys that didn't bring GKs? Hahaha

Dugg wrote:Yeah, who was playing fluffy lists, the 8 guys that didn't bring GKs? Hahaha

Doesn't matter, Footdar made it to the top 8, so my faith in humanity is restored.

Woot!!!!!! I'm a polarizing player and an internet celeb!!!!! And people listen to me!!!!! YAY!!!!!

@Hulk - You are Famous and a grand influence to the young forumites, yeah thats a word. You're my HeRO!!

@Reecius - Who's Hulksmash again ;p

jk

Do you guys post in the army list forums? I know that I got driven out of there just by the WAAC people that post and just ignore anything you have to say about what you want.

I find it interesting how people talk about these lists as if they are inferior even when praising the people who played them. Its like " You make gakky lists but you are a great general"

Has anyone said anything about my Ork list? I haven't noticed.

Reecius wrote:Sooooooooooooooooo true! Man, Dakka has for 100% sure made me a better player. The best minds in the game hang out here, no doubt.

I agree the battle report section on dakka is probaly the best source of 40k info for players who want to see real life 40k tactics. WIth the addition of phone cameras we have a large number of reports that are recorded or have pictures where you can actually see how units play, compared to how they simply look on paper.

Reecius wrote:When I first came here way back when, I was a little punk-ass that thought I was the hottest thing since sliced bread because I won all my local games. I ran my mouth, called out the top players, got my butt kicked and learned that their was a much bigger gaming scene out there than I knew about (much like a certain armor-less poster we've been dealing with here).

I went through the same stage and honestly its just that a stage. That is why we tolerate or try to help the individuals that are like that because we remember when we were like that. I think its a stage that you go through before you become a great player.

Reecius wrote:Just because something doesn't look good to you, doesn't mean it isn't good for someone else. The game is local, as others have said. And at the highest levels of competition, you have to have a list that can take on anything or one bad match-up and you're boned.

Exactly, if you think someone has a bad list and they are playing you after you have won 2-3 games in a tournament doesnt that say something about your skills. You are unable to recognize how he was able to win his 2-3 games, thus you are at a disadvantage because you are underestimating him or dont understand his list. As the Great Roboute Guiliman would say, "Knowledge is Power" and you should never underestimate the power of a simple tool.

The 19th Legion is going to War Games Con, we are defending both the Mirror Match and 40k Grand Tournament titles! We are some good ole humble boys from the South, we just bring our A game and hope for the best.

Has anyone said anything about my Ork list? I haven't noticed.

Umm, your Ork list was terrible. How about that?

Terribly Awesome!! haha It was a tricky list and fun to play. I'm going to throw Zogwort in my next GT list. I want to Squig Drago or one of those dumb Inquisitors with that broken Psykotroke Gernade.

Anyone have any news on that Foot-wolves list? Can't seem to find it online, any other tourny goers match up against it?

Sekminara wrote:Anyone have any news on that Foot-wolves list? Can't seem to find it online, any other tourny goers match up against it?

The Foot-wolves list was mine. It basically contained:

1. one rune priest (LL and JotWW)
2. five units of grey hunters with standard and meltaguns, with one be "stubby" (i.e. it was 8 man no wolf standard)
3. three units of long fangs w/ missile launchers, one being "stubby" (4 missile launchers)
4. two units of scouts with melta
5. ten wolf guard, 5 termis(2 cyclones and all chain fists) and 5 power armor. One for each unit.

Because I don't play 40k much anymore, I chose an army based on a high level strategy to compensate for my tactical errors I knew I would make. The strategy: overwhelm with superior numbers. The army was very forgiving as it contains 86 or so models.

I lost first round to Nick. It was a good game with a good opponent. I had the game on turn 5, but alas, it continued to 6.

-Mike Mutscheller

Adam LongWalker wrote:

All I can say being a Celeb is that "you are judged by your actions" while gaming or not.

Stelek, Dash, Hulk (and a few others) are all polarizing players that have a core of people that listen to what they have to say.

What I am trying to say is to be aware in what your saying and say it in a positive or neutral manner. Back up your opinions with facts that you have on hand concerning the topic being discussed more so than others. That is the price of being a celeb here because people will listen to more on that you have to say than the blokes such as myself.

Can't help but think that being a 40k celebrity isn't as fun as it sounds.. You don't get female groupies or get to act all wild and crazy (And have the cops ignore it). I'm well known in the Pittsburgh area but that hasn't translated into many celeb perks :(

Not to mention that Hulk is about one of the nicest guys out there, even when running a maximum dickpunch list. I would rate him and Reece as two of the 40ks most gracious players, both in defeat and victory. Even comparing him to Stelek is just flat out insulting.

Awwwwwwww!!!!!

I love you too Phazael, you say the nicest things

Interesting thread! Thanks for the article link, Tasty. That was a good read.

A couple of things:

I personally wouldn't put Hulk in the same light as those... other guys.

I'm glad that I got to see what Alex Fennel's actual list looked like. I had heard that he had 10 Lychguard or some nonsense, so I'm glad that I got that sorted out. I love that he's rocking the Monolith! I still like Annihilation Barges better, but then I'm not in the top 16 at Adepticon so what do I know?

I'm hoping I can make it out next year. Damn school...