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Avatar 720 wrote:I only did it so that I could afford decent gear and a decent army. Profits from hunting Forest Bandits and, now that I have a few Huscarls and Nord Warriors/Veterans + Swadian Knights and Men at Arms, the Sea Raiders that so mercilessly destroy me after doing the merchant's quest at the start of the game, now pay for things.

Just as an aside, if you do go prisoner hunting, sell looters to Ramun the Slave Trader in Tihr; looters go for less 50 Denars to other Slave Traders, but Ramun pays a flat price of 50 for any prisoner; other than looters, though, it's never* worth it to sell to him if you have to option not to.

*To clarify, only tested with mountain and forest bandits and sea raiders, other bandits may go for under 50 normally, in which case, sell to ramun.

Looters and faction recruits go for less than 50 denars, everything else goes for more as far as I have seen.

Melissia wrote:It's not actually that hard to do, due to poor siege AI you can rack up kills on sieges very easily.

You need a heavy hitting weapon, a big shield (huscarl or a rhodok board) and good armor. Once you charge up the ladder / ramp, try to jump and get behind the enemy lines. They will rarely attack you if you're behind them (focusing instead on the ladder/siege tower) and you'll get to attack them as much as you please barring a few rare individuals who turn around to face you, especially if you don't kill them in one hit (thus why "bring a heavy hitting weapon", two-handed axes or greatswords work great). Just keep swinging, and when reinforcements arrive, make sure you're not caught in the middle-- let them pass you and hit THEM in the back as well. I've personally racked up probably a hundred kills in a single siege this way before.

It helps if you bring troops that have strong shields equipped, like huscarls or Rhodok sergeants, to deal with the initial volleys of arrows. Knights can work in a pinch, but Huscarls are definitely better for this given their huge shields.

This, mostly. If you stand off to the side when enemies spawn, you can carve a path through their backs. When 20 spawn at a time, if you're quick, you can take out a good half of them before the next wave comes. I've managed to win a siege with a bit over a hundred men when they had five times that, and probably killed a good hundred and fifty men myself. >.>

Why must you force me to continue playing my mount and balde gaem.

How do you get so many Sword Sisters. Hard enough to find captured females on bandits and then they are hard to get to higher levels because they are fairly weak in the lower levels. (Although I didnt train so far).

Steppe Bandits typically have lots of females. So you build up a decent force, take them on and hire the women. Train them at a training ground on via training skill up a rank or two and then they are decent. Don't try for an all female force till a significant amount are sword sisters though.

I forgot how powerful stuff gets when i'm not cheating in order to see how well my custom troops can function xD

Example: "Oh look, 5 Looters, i'll just go and knock them out and- Oh my god my Horse! Ouch! OUCH! STOP HITTING ME! AHHHHH!"

Also doesn't help when King Harlus asks if you want to be a vassal, you accept with your one-third Nord, one-third Swadian and one-Third Vaegir army, then Swadia declares war on the Nords -.- Now i'm just waiting for one-third of my army (see: the Huscarls) to desert.

All in all, it's been a rough re-introduction to serious play I'm now going to have to acquire a shield and one-handed weapon of some description, because once anything gets close, I don't get to even swing my long axe due to the speed at which i'm hit by things, and my mouse seems to like randomising my block direction ("Oh, you wanna block left? See, blocking up is so 'in' right now, so I think you should block up instead.").

I bumped up to "normal" damages and Average AI Intell/combat speed. It's certainly a lot tougher now, but very subtlety. I love how the difficulty of AI isn't "yar we gave them 700x more health" but rather the computer is just smarter.

My character is defiantly dying a PILE faster now between smarter archers and the increased damage.

I now play with normal damage and good AI, and it definately hurts. Whilst storming a Nordic fort with what seemed to be the entire Kingdom of Swadia, we lost a horrific amount to the initial charge, and when I went to face a Veteran Archer 1v1, I raise my long axe, his is faster, and I end up taking three hits, each time doubling over due to damage so I can't retaliate, and dying.

I wasn't best pleased.

EDIT: Decided to see just how brutal the Good AI was one on one. Training vs a Huscarl, and i've come to the conclusion that my mouse button is sticking. How do I know? When a 2h sword (Huscarl) beats a 1h sword to the punch when swung (or clicked, in my case) at the same time, you know something is up. I've won 5/20 practice matches because my mouse has decided to block in a random direction as it usually does, or because I get hit first and double over, and lose because I can't retaliate, even if i'm facing a slower weapon.

I already had my suspicions about the sticking (letting go of the mouse button when using a bow and having it stay nocked for a second or so afterwards is a pretty decent indicator) but now i'm playing seriously, it's becoming a huge annoyance.

Dark Scipio wrote:How do you get so many Sword Sisters

I specifically hunt down armies, both lord and bandit, which have female peasants as prisoners. I then keep them from fighting as much as possible, and train them regularly, as well as having one of my three remaining followers (all the rest I promoted to nobility) have really high training.

Keep in mind, this is on the game that I have where I have already conquered both the Sarranid and Kergit armies. I would have over sixty of them by now if I hadn't lost some due to combat, and I would have had well under thirty if I didn't have Surgery 10.


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Also, to beat someone in a duel, parry and then attack whiel they're recovering from the parry. Unless there's a HUGE skill difference, they won'tbe able to parry fast enough.

The simulate battle very very well in the game, but the one thing that is brutally missing is endurance. Swing around that giant weapon or draw a tensed bow as many times as you do in one battle... you'd be dead of a heart attack from exhaustion.

That being said, I'm glad it's left out kinda, but it would slow things down quite a bit having to rest.

And it would make lances all the more ludicrously powerful.

Naw because it takes a lot of endurance to hold a lance up in the air for any given amoutn of time. You'd be shaking like mad making the targeting damn near impossible for extended periods.

Just got a new PC, and I must say Mount and Blade (MP) is a lot easier with a working Graphic Card.

Has a lot fun in MP, because in that server we really had something like teamplay on a CtF map.




Another question: Do you loot hostile villages? I dont because I have followers that dont like it and I dont want to loose them.
I would do it often because I am a nice guy. But to weaken an enemy would also be good.

Sometimes I do a specific 'bad guy' build, where I pick my companions specifically so they aren't bothered by looting villages and slaughtering farmers. Usually when I am playing as a Khergit,

Have you guys tried the DLC 'Napolenic Wars'?

Its a pure multiplayer DLC adding muskets and factions from the Napolenic War with Flag Bearers, Muscisians and such.

I highly reccomend it.

I have the original, is Fire and Sword a major improvement over it?

From what I've heard, Fire and Sword was a buggy mess.

Downloaded the Floris Mod last night and restarted with it. Playing on expanded mode with expanded troop trees.

- TONS more items and options
- Seems like the fights are a lot harder, I'm getting smeared
- the expanded troop tree is a tad confusing because it uses true faction appropriate names

Overall A++ so far. It's like M&B:WB 1.75

I don't loot villages because it means that the villages become worthless whenever I take over the enemy town/castle.

Oh and the expanded tree rebalances troops so all nord isn't godmode anymore. The Nords now rely more heavily on trowing weapons and the english longbows are best archers.

rockerbikie wrote:I have the original, is Fire and Sword a major improvement over it?

Over the original MnB? Yes.

Over warband? No.

Bought warband last night (because of this thread) and love it!

I've broken three sieges and won 5 tournaments thus far.

on easy... but even so pretty awesome.

Bromsy wrote:Sometimes I do a specific 'bad guy' build, where I pick my companions specifically so they aren't bothered by looting villages and slaughtering farmers. Usually when I am playing as a Khergit,

I just did that as well, just for giggles. Went with a male Swadian noble, somewhat good-looking but still with a harsh face, and a black banner. It's gonna be interesting to see how far you can get being an ass.

Vendetta 476 wrote:Have you guys tried the DLC 'Napolenic Wars'?

Absolutely, I'm loving it. If possible, I like to play as an Infantry Officer. Buffing nearby soldiers with my aura makes me feel extremely useful, plus I get to hit people with my sword. On top of this I have a cool spyglass with which to look for enemy movements. What's not to like?

Also, "C" is the most important button in the game.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:Bought warband last night (because of this thread) and love it!

Welcome to the fold!

I'd go with vaegyr if I did that.

Because they're bastards.

Just installed and tried Floris, and it's buggy as hell for me. I can't enter village centres, fights are laggy at the start and I have to alt-tab to rectify it, and it just crashed.

I used the built-in installer, so it's nothing to do with me placing it incorrectly, and my computer should easily be able to handle the graphical changes.

Not sure what to say, I had zero problems. Did you run the the installer .exe as admin? Maybe some of the files didn't get transferred.


I have been using it for the last two months. I really really like the new army trees in the mod and you will too if you get it running correctly.


Edit - Do you use battle sizer? I remember reading somewhere that you need to lower the unit on screen number. If you still have trouble let me know and I will see if I can help.

I've had a few issues where it can't find certain armors, tabs out, click through a couple error messages, but doesn't crash. That's about it.

I've never seen that either.

Lynata, are you interested in big organised line battles, like the actual Napolenic Wars?

Deathshead420 wrote:Not sure what to say, I had zero problems. Did you run the the installer .exe as admin? Maybe some of the files didn't get transferred.


I have been using it for the last two months. I really really like the new army trees in the mod and you will too if you get it running correctly.


Edit - Do you use battle sizer? I remember reading somewhere that you need to lower the unit on screen number. If you still have trouble let me know and I will see if I can help.

Everything was run fine.

I uninstalled it and installed just the basic version, which fixed some stuff, but I still can't enter village centres and it freezes mid-battle sometimes, forcing me to alt-tab out in order to correct it.

I'll have a try nuking the battle size though; you know which is the most it'll work with?

I have mine set to 300.