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**Lynata**

Vendetta 476 wrote:Lynata, are you interested in big organised line battles, like the actual Napolenic Wars?

I loved line battles back in the "Battle Grounds" mod for Half Life 2. I think it's a lot of fun trying to re-enact this kind of fighting with a bunch of cool people - so yeah, I am!
I just don't have enough time to actually join one of the MB-NW regiments, and I don't know of random line battles happening in this game as they did exist in Battle Grounds. Or have you heard something concerning this?

**Vendetta 476**

I am part of a North American regiment that mostly has events on the weekends but I do vaguely remember having some non-regimental folks on one of the events.

I'll ask around.

**Lynata**

That would be cool. Just toss me a few times and I'll see if I can show up some time. The more the merrier, right?

**BlueDagger**

Still playing the Floris mod, and damn is it a hell of a lot harder. Craziest thing happened in the last like 30 days of the game. It seems as though a Lord went rouge and is leading some bandits. There is a pack of 5 bandits lead by this guy patroling forests with a combined total of like 700 Forest Badit/Sea Raiders. In the floris mod the expanded tree is 7 upgrades high and bandits are a Teir 4ish level. It's hilarious watching one of the little packs catch a 200+ army and then the 700 man conglomerate eats it alive.

Scary as hell and I have to constantly watch my riding paths at night.

**Avatar 720**

They're not rogue lords, they're just bandit lords. There's one for each specific bandit type, so one for Forest, one for Mountain, one for Desert etc.

They essentially act as marshals for their various bandit faction, and so they're often found leading their own armies, usually in excess of 200 men, and stringing along several hundred more in various bandit parties.

**BlueDagger**

Ah kk, I've only see the forest bandit one before so the rest must have been captured in all my other games.

**Deathshead420**

Have you guys figured out the set up battle plans on the floris mod?

**Avatar 720**

Not yet, no.

Although after finally getting Expanded to work, if I play it for long enough then i'm plagued by extreme lag at (seemingly) random intervals, that doesn't cease until I manage to bring up the main menu (through furious beating at 'Esc' to get through the lag) and alt-tab out for a few minutes.

I can't find anything on Google about it either, so either there's some sort of hideous memory leak somewhere, or it just doesn't like me, since it doesn't seem to care whether my graphical settings are low or balls-to-the-wall extreme and they're the only other things I can think of that could cause it.

**BlueDagger**

Wow that is weird Avatar have you tried reinstalling both?

The battle plans is a little odd and I haven't figured it out yet. I just have everyone follow me to the nearest hill and form up. Infantry advances 10 paces and the cav follkw me to a flank. Right when the enemy is about to hit the front line of the infantry I charge with everyone so tohave the choas of the infantry charging downhil and the cav slamming into the rear/ flank. Works well so far.

Huge balancing factor of Floris is armor and horses/archery. If you pile on heavy armor your horse skill goes to crap an horse archery goes to crap. If you pile it really heavily tour archery totally goes to hell.

However Floris changes the battlefield to BEAUTIFULLY done fields with Lots of foliage. Horsebowing in circles around enemies not caring to watch where you are going become impossible due to running into sapplings.

I also noticed that if you horse gets effed up it degrades to a lame horse after a while, and floris makes horses pricey.

**Avatar 720**

Both are on their 3rd or so reinstall.

Not noticed the archery degredation yet, but i'm still getting used to it.

As for running into saplings, i've become paranoid around those things, since I can never tell which are actually there and which aren't for some textures.

Also, horses becoming lame isn't new; they do that if they die too much in Native anyway, and they heal after a few days, so if you can do without them for about a week or so then you're golden, but they do lose any additional status they had before, such as Heavy, Champion etc.

A decent way of buying a horse is to scan the towns for lame ones and nurse them back, since you can buy them lame for a fraction of what they'd normally cost.

**BlueDagger**

Hmm never noticed that about the horses mainly because the speed doesn't degrade on native after they get shot a few times. I got a shield and a nice one hand 110 reach clever, so my playstyle has changed a bit.

I've been trying to stay neutral and work my way up to snatching a castle to start my own empire, but damn is that hard. The easy way would be to take one when part of the faction and give the faction the finger as you go Independence, but that would almost certainly end in getting my head knocked in by the whole faction.

The change to trade is also really rough. Trade is not the autowin it is in native. However the tournament mode that floris uses seems to be really exploitable, not a fan.

**Dark Scipio**

After killing a lot of looters 30 forest bandits caught me. I thought it would be no problem for my 30 Tier 3 troops.

It was.

**BlueDagger**

Haha yeah in the Floris mod the Bandits are technically like Teir 3.5-4. They hurt, alot.

**BlueDagger**

I got froggy last night and took my 86 dudes that were mainly teir 4+ and attacked a swadia castle that was about 94 T3 mainly. I lost about 30 guys but I won! I started my own kingdom and life was good… for about 5 mins.

About 80 dudes from Swadia rolled up rather pissed off, but with some quick thinking I snuck out of the castle and recruited 20 mercs. I fended off the siege but was then down to about 55 guys… and another 110 man army rolled up ><. I held them off the best I could, and saw everyone slaughtered from a high up position as I saw 50 dudes charge my last stand…

I went from 86 highly trained guys, to having my own kingdom, to now being on the run from Swadia with me and one of my companions. *cries* So epic, but I shall rebuild, I shall persevere!

**Lord-Loss**

I've gone from Nords to Swadian knights in the last few days. I found that Hurscal take way to long to train up, I could never have more then 15/20 at a time out of 90ish soldiers. You can get Swadian recuits to Men at arms in a few ingame days easily, then it's only a few fights to get them to knights.

Maybe i'll try Nords again later when I can get 150+ soldiers, meh.

I already have a castle that I took with my Nord force but the last two castles i've captured while they've been on 50/60ish men have all been given to lords with no land of their own.

How can I make Sanjar Khan give me the castles I capture?

My relationship with him is fairly low, around 2+ but the only quests he gives me are to destroy bandit hideouts...

**BlueDagger**

Easiest way is to marry someone then hold a lot of deck out feasts, You quickly get a fantastic amount of rep with you other lords and then when a fief/castle comes up for offer you can asked them to change their minds and support you. It's not the king you have to make choose you, it's all the other lords.

**Lynata**

Lord-Loss wrote:How can I make Sanjar Khan give me the castles I capture?

I believe you can always protest "injust" rulings - whether this has the desired result or gets you into a ton of trouble depends on both your relationship as well as your importance for the realm.

**Lone Cat**

1. i've just tried M&M: With fire and Sword but not yet taking factions .. yet
2. Does adventure movement speed affected by followes type?
if more cavs are recruited, does it also increases movement speed?
3. I'm now doing Clermont's quest. (or maybe. ones that assigned next to it. given by a russian prince.. can't remember the name). does it specify that 3 Polish villages the prince assigned a player to loot must be ones that belongs to Smolenks? where (in game map) will the prince wants to lay siege?

**Melissia**

On the map, movement speed is determined by the highest Pathfinding skill in your party (including the Pathfinding of your named companions), the size of your party (smaller is faster), and the makeup of your party (more cavalry is faster).

**Lord-Loss**

My one handed skill is about 250 but I want a range weapon for sieges, is a bow and arrow better then crossbow?

Something strange just happened in my game, three or four of the Khergit lords have just suddenly left and joined Surrands (spell?). Even though I stayed with the Khergits my fief, near one of their towns, have been taken from me. :(

**Melissia**

I find crossbows are better because they let you focus on other skills. Shield use, heavy armor + ironskin (acccording to some people in this thread), and weapon skills are arguably more useful for surviving sieges.

But bows and arrows fire faster and are more mobile.

**BlueDagger**

I personally use a bow because I despise the reload time/ can't move while reloading with xbow. For sieges a xbow is fine, but while you are in field it cripples you manueverability/shot speed.

Almost 300 days into my Floris Mod character. I've had to restart my army like 23 times now. I had to forgo my dreams of my kingdom for a bit because Swadians were becoming a powerhouse and hunting me. Dropped my kingdom (had no castle) and joined Khans then left them to rest my nuetrality. Going to try to build up again and got from there. I would have joined Nords and wed my chickie I have been pursuing, but her brother when to the Saltaniate who I have no interest in joining.

**Melissia**

IF you use a light or hunting crossbow, you can move on a horse while reloading.

**BlueDagger**

Yeah but the reload time is still aweful and if you get hit while reloading it restarts

**Melissia**

Still lets you focus on other skills that more than make up for it.

Having to have a high strength means you are a less effective commander.

**Lone Cat**

How does 'engineering' skills work? does it really involves with castle (one way or another?)
I know that it has two functions
1. allows player to construct siege engines (in With fire and Sword version. Does the 'siege engine' means cannon only?)
2. allows player to build fief improvements; what can it be, can it only be done at player's castle or can it also be done at any surrounding village? and do players require specific goods to do so?

**Melissia**

Engineering reduces the time it takes to build things by five percent per point in engineering.

**Pyrogeist**

Melissia wrote:If you want to focus on commanding, I'd suggest Leadership, Training, and Surgery.

The former is really mandatory for anyone who wants an army (increases army size, increases morale, reduces the upkeep of the army, etc). Training helps in some village missions, and allows you to upgrade your army faster as they get experience faster. And Surgery helps ensure that your units are killed less often (just knocked out instead).

I agree on the usefulness of leadership, however training and surgery not so much. Eventually you should collect party heroes which their own special skillsets which render taking most party skills on your own character rather obsolete (only the highest value in the party applies). Surgery can easily be taken on Jeremus (perhaps the ideal medic) and training can easily be taken on Lezalit (perhaps the ideal trainer).

Just my two cents, but remember that heroes have their own likes and dislikes so some hero combinations may be very difficult to maintain.

**Vendetta 476**

HOWEVER,
The training skill is cumalative meaning if you have 5 training and your buddy has 3 then the total skill is 8 thus allowing you to build a powerful army easily.

**Avatar 720**

Party skills aren't cumulative, the highest value in the party is chosen (so if you are on 7 Training and Lezalit on 6, then your value of 7 will be the one used, not a combined value of 13).