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ZebioLizard2 wrote:

If you like MLP then fine, but theres no reason for you to bring it into 40k. I'm a Glasgow Rangers fan, but I'm not all of a sudden going to make an army in Red, White & Blue, stick the Rangers crest of their shoulder pads and paint their faces up to look like past Rangers football players. "Oh this is Brian Laudrup, he is my winger, That means a Librarian for your info".

If I did that I would expect somebody to find me certifiably insane and lock me away in a mental institution.

I'd find that actually pretty cool to face, and nobody would really think your insane otherwise.

Er, no. I don't think it is cool to face and I certainly wouldn't torture any of my opponents by doing such a thing.

I just expect you to WYSIWYG and make sure things though. Personally I prefer the neat conversions compared to proxies and unpainted models.

Sorry but Brian Laudrup, Paul Gascoigne, Ally McCoist and Mark Hately will not be coming to a galaxy near you.

z6imm wrote:@Manchu
This may not be to your taste but it did take skills.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63881627@N08/5810452007/sizes/l/in/pool-1606491@N21/

No problem with that. Its a Lord of Change, it may be a very colourful Lord of CHange but it is still a Lord of Change.

Its the picture at the bottom of my post I have problems with. I feel dirty just looking at it.




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DarthOvious wrote:

Buttons wrote:I don't cringe awful conversions or awfully painted models. Pretty much I look at it this way, your models are like a dinner, you spend money on it, you spend time and effort making it tasty (spend money buying your models, and time and effort converting and painting them). If someone wants to take a dump on their own dinner (or make stupid conversions or paint jobs) that is their prerogative, it is their dinner (army) let them do what they want.

Well lets test this theory shall we.

Would you sit down and eat with someone who took a dump in their own dinner? Your meal is OK, they've just taking a dump in their dinner, but I somehow think you wouldn't be sitting at the same table?

With all due respect to Buttons, it's not a great analogy. A better example would be if they made a meal of roast chicken, strawberry jam, and gravy. It would seem to be utterly ruined by your tastes, but is still food, and appeals to them - no matter how unpalatable most people would find it. Defecating in a meal is like 'painting' miniatures with excrement.

Thats why I tested the theory out.

But its still quite a similar point. When two players are playing a game together they have an understanding with each other to enjoy the game and they do share a table while playing. Some people will just not like playing against My Little Pony marines and I am one of those players. I will not play against something that quite frankly just doesn't belong in the 40k Universe. If you can justify what you have then fine but as far as I'm concerned MLP, He-Man, Hello Kitty, G.I. Joe, Willy Wonka, The Cat In The Hat, etc, etc, etc, don't belong in the 40k Universe.


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Henners91 wrote:I notice that if you put 'Space Marines kill' into google, the top suggestion is 'Space Marines killing ponies'.


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You see. Its not even original anymore. Its like an infection and it spreads. Soon the whole game will change and the whole army will literally be renamed Pony Marines.

Pacific wrote:I would take My Little Pony Marines, Chaos Tau, Nazi IG, Female Marines, and George Bush as chapter master (to use examples listed above) any day of the week over (unpainted armies). At least they indicate some form of effort or dedication on behalf of the owner.

Seriously, this. Someone that took the time and thought to put together a well-executed "oddball" army is far more preferable to play against than someone who has simply stuck some of "X new hotness army" together and can't be bothered to even perform a rudimentary spray-wash-drybrush paint job. Interesting armies start conversations, which is rather important as gaming is a social activity at its core. It's one of the reasons I'm so proud of my L5R-themed Eldar army: it draws attention, gets people asking questions about it, and starts people actually talking about hobby-related topics.

MLP Marines, Angry Marines, Cancer-Awareness Warmachine forces, Hello Kitty Marines, Blood Angels, Kinky Slaanesh Chaos Demons... they're all gimmicks, really, but they're still miles better than the Grey Legions.

Someone sets up across from you with pink Marines? Instead of scoffing, try talking. Might find some good ideas of your own to run with down the road.

EDIT: Wow... next time, I'll actually notice that I'm replying to a post on page 1 and there are FOUR MORE PAGES to read in the thread.

VikingScott wrote:Oh and for those complaining about say: 'Nazi' IG, how do you feel about FoW players?

As pointed out before, there is a difference between playing a German WW2 army and a Nazi army. You can usually tell quickly from the amount of swastikas painted on tanks.
From looking at the FOW page, at least they know that the German army used a different symbolism. Though you shouldn't use some of the army case patches they offer in public here, unless you are curious about German police stations.

Yes it is a Lord of Change thus fitting with the fuff. However the army design started with I want to do rainbows, sparkles, and gemstones. If the model given had been a land raider, the resulting paintjob would have been similar. If I saw those pony marines at my FLGS I totally would be trying to seek out a game. While the GW models are great, they have been getting old over the years. I miss seeing custom anything nowadays. For me the game is more about checking out the models others have made then actually playing it.

z6imm wrote:@Manchu
This may not be to your taste but it did take skills.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63881627@N08/5810452007/sizes/l/in/pool-1606491@N21/

Rainbows, sparkles, and gemstones are totally appropriate for a Tzeentchian army. Or an Eldar army. I'm not seeing a MLP Marine army or equivalent here ...

LoneLictor wrote:I dislike MLP for a different reason.

Imagine someone tells a bad joke. And everyone else wants to be ironic, so they don't stop repeating this bad joke and rubbing it in your face. Everywhere. Then, when you point out that it's annoying, that say you're a neckbeard with no life who takes everything too seriously. And then they repeat the joke again.

That's what the MLP 40k crossover gak is.

no......

it's because people involved in two or more fandoms like to mix them. someone on here did a clone wars army because he was a big fan of star wars and wanted to have them as a 40K army. I like MLP and 40K and thought it would be funny/cool to have them as a 40K army, same goes for the blazblue themed henchmen army I'm working on. in short, people like to mix fandoms; not because they think their being witty and ironic but because their bringing together two things that they enjoy.

what your thinking of is stuff like angry marines or pretty marines, where it is all just a joke, nothing more.

I just don't like it because the two don't seem to mix, while as someone pointed out about a Clone Wars army, works better as it's genre is more adaptable to 40k, but if your willing to spend money and properly convert models to a good standard but if people are just using toys on bases, no, I won't play. It's not my say on what you do with your money, or life, so do what you will, it's not my major concern.

Why do you need to bring together things that you enjoy? I get it when those things match. Like peanut butter and jelly. But peanut butter and horseradish? I mean, if you like Bugs Bunny and you also like Battlestar Galactica, why is your natural conclusion that Bugs Bunny should appear in Battlestar Galactica? Could it just maybe, possibly, conceivably be that the things you like about Bugs Bunny are different from the things you like about Battlestar Galactica and therefore just mashing them together won't actually result in something that you like twice as much as either thing alone? Again, ice cream is good. So is mac & cheese. But thanks very much I'll have them separately instead of mixing them up in one rotten bowl of gross.

Just a thought.

Manchu wrote:Why do you need to bring together things that you enjoy? I get it when those things match. Like peanut butter and jelly. But peanut butter and horseradish? I mean, if you like Bugs Bunny and you also like Battlestar Galactica, why is your natural conclusion that Bugs Bunny should appear in Battlestar Galactica? Could it just maybe, possibly, conceivably be that the things you like about Bugs Bunny are different from the things you like about Battlestar Galactica and therefore just mashing them together won't actually result in something that you like twice as much as either thing alone? Again, ice cream is good. So is mac & cheese. But thanks very much I'll have them separately instead of mixing them up in one rotten bowl of gross.

Just a thought.

because....well just because I guess. No one HAS to combined them and no one NEEDS to do it but some people just enjoy doing it. I suppose it's one of those "what if" things. what if ponies were a force in 40K? what if tau did fall to chaos? the resulting fluff might really appeal to some people or they might just have a lot of fun making that army. fandoms are always bound to cross sooner or later. it's not a case of enjoying it more, it's just another thing to enjoy. other people might not like the idea of anything crossing into their fandoms and that's fine too.

in short, maybe some people like peanut butter and horseradish


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blood reaper wrote:I just don't like it because the two don't seem to mix, while as someone pointed out about a Clone Wars army, works better as it's genre is more adaptable to 40k, but if your willing to spend money and properly convert models to a good standard but if people are just using toys on bases, no, I won't play. It's not my say on what you do with your money, or life, so do what you will, it's not my major concern.

this I do agree with to some extent. I would play them (I am a gaming whore though and will play just about anything :3) but I wouldnt enjoy all of the game as I like to see a good looking army infont of me when I fight. but if someone did just use a pony figure with no guns, no armour, no nothing it would be a little confusing and annoying at the same time as no effort had really been put into it and it would be hard to tell which unit was which. if they where wysiwyg then it would be fine by me

DPBellathrom wrote: in short, maybe some people like peanut butter and horseradish

It's my own fault for using that specific metaphor but this answer really doesn't address the main point: liking one thing and liking another thing doesn't automatically mean that combining those things will make a third thing that you will also like. You argument seems to have been: if Iike 40k and I like MLP, then it's only natural that I would like MLP done 40k style.

Manchu wrote:

DPBellathrom wrote: in short, maybe some people like peanut butter and horseradish

It's my own fault for using that specific metaphor but this answer really doesn't address the main point: liking one thing and liking another thing doesn't automatically mean that combining those things will make a third thing that you will also like. You argument seems to have been: if Iike 40k and I like MLP, then it's only natural that I would like MLP done 40k style.

oh I agree mixing two things wont always mean that the result will be good/better or enjoyable/more enjoyable, but some people will like the outcome of odd combos and others will think its terrible. it's just the way things work.

the outcome of the two doesnt have to be better than either of the inputs, it just has to be enjoyable to the person who made it and if others like it then great if others hate it then oh well :/

Henners91 wrote:I notice that if you put 'Space Marines kill' into google, the top suggestion is 'Space Marines killing ponies'.


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OMFG so much win. This is going into a sig. Offending basement neckbeards a non-issue.

RatBot wrote:I said that I am incapable of cringing over models, but that's not entirely true; proxies make me cringe. That's about it. Painted models are better than unpainted models, but I don't really care if they're painted or not (I still have loads of unpainted minis so it'd be very hypocritical of me to judge).

As much as I like the 40K background and universe, and contrary to how many people take the game, it is, in fact, not serious business. Nazi IG? Depending on how it's done it could be pretty tasteless, but eh. Let's play. MLP Marines? Let's play. Hello Kitty Marines? Let's play. Dick Cheney is your Chaos Lord/Chapter Master? Hilarious.

I agree with this completely. I would much rather see any of the above, than some of the proxying I have had used against me over the years, which includes (but is not limited to), WFB movement trays as warbikes, marines with no arms (sometimes just a pair of legs stuck to a base), and even a 'Coke can carnifex' (yes really! All cliches have some truth in there somewhere )

Pacific wrote:

RatBot wrote:I said that I am incapable of cringing over models, but that's not entirely true; proxies make me cringe. That's about it. Painted models are better than unpainted models, but I don't really care if they're painted or not (I still have loads of unpainted minis so it'd be very hypocritical of me to judge).

As much as I like the 40K background and universe, and contrary to how many people take the game, it is, in fact, not serious business. Nazi IG? Depending on how it's done it could be pretty tasteless, but eh. Let's play. MLP Marines? Let's play. Hello Kitty Marines? Let's play. Dick Cheney is your Chaos Lord/Chapter Master? Hilarious.

I agree with this completely. I would much rather see any of the above, than some of the proxying I have had used against me over the years, which includes (but is not limited to), WFB movement trays as warbikes, marines with no arms (sometimes just a pair of legs stuck to a base), and even a 'Coke can carnifex' (yes really! All cliches have some truth in there somewhere )

How the heck do you work out LoS issues with a pair of legs? They must've gotten cover saves from everything!

Jidmah wrote:

VikingScott wrote:Oh and for those complaining about say: 'Nazi' IG, how do you feel about FoW players?

As pointed out before, there is a difference between playing a German WW2 army and a Nazi army. You can usually tell quickly from the amount of swastikas painted on tanks.
From looking at the FOW page, at least they know that the German army used a different symbolism. Though you shouldn't use some of the army case patches they offer in public here, unless you are curious about German police stations.

Thanks for clearing me up on that. I didn't know that the german army used different symbolism in that time. Alright now I know the difference which clears up my question.

The only thing I'd add Vikingscott, would be with FoW it isn't out of place. I know from reading threads a fair few folks use SS units for FoW.

Now its easy to jump straight to distasteful stance of mind as a reaction to that, unfortuntely SS units played an active role in front line combat, especially where certain tank regiments where concerned.

So I see a big difference between playing FoW and 40K with the imagery.
If its on 40K you are making some kind of statement, either you like the symbol, want to stand out with an army that is bound to force a reaction (I think this is the most common) or troll your local gaming scene etc.

Where in FoW, its a historical game, and unless you want endless allied battles, someone needs to pick up the bad guy. It also feels slightly different due to the historical nature of the game.

On saying that mind, if I played FoW, I'd still not be interested in playing against certain German forces, the werewolves for example.

Zweischneid wrote:A. I do play Tau

B. I know that most fan-theories would disagree with the Chaos theory and said so.

C. There is just as little actual support for C'Tan weapons or any of the other things you mentioned

D. The entire metaphysiology of "warp signatures" and whatever else isn't clearly defined in the first place. Corruption to Chaos comes from falling to certain vices. Show me a line in GW's work that absolutely rules out corruptions because of a lack of "warp signature" or whatever you have. The latter is not a free pass to indulge in whatever sin you have without risking corruption.

E. The Warp is a reflection of strong emotions, Tau do have emotions.

F. As said, even if it isn't the most probable explanation, Farsight as a chaos hook is a possible explanation. GW has purposfully kept alot of their background ambigious precisely so that there would not be just a single "true" explanation. The entire point is to allow scope for different people to piece in the gaps with different interpretations to make it "their own".

A) OK, Most of my post was meant for crimson, sorry about the poor edit.

B)Never said otherwise. Check towards the end of the post you were referencing and you will see that I don't have any problem with the concept on a house rule/game basis.

C)I think the primary support for Farsight not being Chaos is a lack of mutation in himself, his army and that there are Imperial worlds openly trading with him. Aside from his being a break-away faction there are no other hints. Even his armies colour scheme predates his breaking away.
This is subjective but think that it supports the concept of Farsight not being Chaos.

D)Your statement about sin kinda goes against the Tau fluff of them living peaceful idyllic lives outside of war. That they desire only the greater good and as such there would be no sin.
Also, there are many references to the Imperium and Inquisition wanting to know the secret of how the Etherals maintain such a well disciplined/wellbehaved/loyal populace. This seems to hint that the Tau culture is not like human culture.
Remember, the Tau are a race whose leaders resolves their worst disputes with blood-less duels that would be much like sword dancing or a form competition in martial arts.

E)Yes the Tau have emotions but the warp is described as being shaped/reflecting the strong emotion of latent psykers.
Also, please cite from the codex where they normally have "strong" emotions. It mentions that certain septs are viewed as being more fiery and aggressive in nature than other Tau, but that could be like saying that oatmeal has more flavor than grits.
Farsight is probably the exception here and even then, I belive, he was described as more disillusioned/disappointed than out right furious.

F) I understand and agree that GW doesn't get into the details of xenos backstory. I also agree with your thoughts on why this is so.
Now go back to my original post and read near the bottom,...the part where I list the situations that are acceptable to me. I say that I would play such armies, just within certain parameters.

Vaktathi wrote:

focusedfire wrote:
The Tau are short-lived and do not have the Warp/psycher gene. As such they are viewed as to not being suceptible to Chaos possession and mutation.

Everything is susceptible to Warp influence. If Chaos can turn the very soil and mundane plants and animals into twisted horrors, they can do it to the Tau. The Tau don't have a psyker gene, nor do most humans. Short lifespan is irrelevant.

If a warp storm erupts near a Tau world, there is nothing to say they'd be immune to it. Absolutely nothing. They just aren't very attractive targets it anything else is around.

The Tau are not some magical Warp-immune race. They just aren't flaming beacons to it as other races are. If exposed to the warp, there isn't a single shred of fluff, Tau or otherwise, that says they can't or won't be susceptible to its mutating (both physical and mental) effects.

Actually, One of the longest warp storms ever mentioned, not only erupted near the Tau Homeworld, It actually surrounded the Tau space and kept the Imperium away for 6000 years. Yet the Tau emmerged unscathed.

I'd say that this makes for a pretty good case that the Tau are not susceptible.

Kaldor wrote:Honestly, I don't see the problem with Chaos Tau.

Do the Tau want things?

Yes.

Can Daemons pretend to offer those things, in return for favours from the Tau?

Yes.

Therefore, the Tau can become the servants of Chaos.

Not having a significant warp process just means the forces of Chaos need to use an intermediary, like a cultist or someone.

Except that it is noted that the Tau are brought-up/trained to desire only the greater good. Having personal wants and desires is a big no-no in the Tau society.

The only Tau to come close to having personal desires was Farsight and even then his situation would be better described as battle fatigue or a disagreement on how best to represent the Greater good.

BTW, There is also another theory that Farsight has been under Ethereal direction the whole time. That he is on an "unofficially" sanctioned campain that allows the Tau Empire to deny responsibility for treaty violations.

Crimson wrote:

focusedfire wrote:
This is your assumption,
There is nothing in the Tau fluff that supports such and actually a lot that would argue against.
Farsights sword is usually thought to be a C'tan relic, an artifact from an extinct race or a prank played by Ceggorach-the Laughing God.

And that is your assumption. I'm not saying GW totally intended it to be Chaos thing, merely that this was my first thought when I read Farsight fluff, and it would fit in a way.

The Tau are short-lived and do not have the Warp/psycher gene. As such they are viewed as to not being suceptible to Chaos possession and mutation.

Less suspectible. They're not immune.

True, though with out more from GW we could argue both ways until we bo expire from old age. I will say that the Tau fluff from their codicii tend to support the concept of their immunity to corruption. IMO, this would be good in that it would both make them unique and give the Tau a fundamental role in the 40K universe. Many players have a problem with the Tau due to a perception that they don't fit/have a purpose in the 40k setting. Making them immune to chaotic corruption would give them a more easily understood purpose for those that don't

Before you bring up Farsights extended life-span, I'd like to point out that the best/most thourough fluff concerning him suggest that Farsight himself (may be/most likely) is dead.
That his Battlesuit, the sword and his name have become a rank that is handed down through the generations.

Obviously other Tau who have no idea of what Chaos can do would think this.

This view/idea was actually written/postulated from the Imperial point of view, not the Tau. I think that if Farsight was Chaos, it would have been put forward in the fluff as an excuse to bring an inquistor into the area.

I think it ironic, how people have no problem of suggesting major changes to the background of armies they don't play or like.
But, if someone suggested that something contridictory to the very essence of their army be allowed(Female SM's, BT, SW, GK, BA, DA or that they all get rolled back into one army), said individual would be very wroth with the those trying to bring about said change.

I like Tau, I'm just painting a litle bunch of Tau Mercenaries (yes, mercenaries, working for money, not for greater good!) as an allied detachment for my IG. And you can roll all marines into one codex for all I care, in fact, I'd prefer it. And I have no problem with people having female marines in their armies if they want.

1) Your army is IG and the points you referenced were of other armies. The question would be then, if people were actively campaining for a change to the fundamental backstory of the IG?

2)It would depend on how you are doing the mercs(Kinda like I said in my first post). Personally, You do them in Fasight colors or at least stay away from established loyal Tau Septs, no problem. If you are painting them up as one of the established/well known septs, then I would view your motives as to possibly being intentionally antagonistic.

A stranger with well done models for a house game,...no problem.
A stranger with poorly done models and with a hint of dickishness.....will probably pass.
Good friend doing it to f- with me......take it as a joke/compliment and play
Anyone trying to run Homebrew rules in a competition/tourney.........I will pass.

If you are going around trying to get people to accept them and the backstory or are campaigning for them to become a recognized faction/part of 40k Tau background, then look elsewhere for your games and support.

I think it is silly to assume that because Tau are resilient to corruption, that there can be no any Chaos Tau ever. This is such a limited view of Chaos and makes it look way to human centric and in a way powerless. All alien races are immune or protected in a way, Chaos can only ever influence humans. I find this boring and unnecessarily weak. Similarly I find it odd that people think races to be this monolithic blocks of clones. If fluff says that race X usually behaves like this and that, does not mean that every member of said race everywhere always does so.

I'm a Glasgow Rangers fan, but I'm not all of a sudden going to make an army in Red, White & Blue, stick the Rangers crest of their shoulder pads and paint their faces up to look like past Rangers football players. "Oh this is Brian Laudrup, he is my winger, That means a Librarian for your info".

If I did that I would expect somebody to find me certifiably insane and lock me away in a mental institution.

I like how painting little plastic space mans and naming your Chapter Master something like "Davius Killington" or what have you=normal healthy activity

BUT

painting little plastic space mans like a football team and naming your chapter master "David Beckham" or what have you=someone's gonna lock me up in a mental institution!

Really, if done well, I'd think it brilliant and probably have a good laugh.

focusedfire wrote:the Tau are brought-up/trained to desire only the greater good. Having personal wants and desires is a big no-no in the Tau society.

It doesn't matter. Even if the only thing they want is the Greater Good, Daemons can pretend to offer it to them.

And I don't believe the Tau only desire the Greater Good. I believe from memory that this is a trained state, and they must repress their more base desires. It's not a case of them simply not having those desires in the first place.

Been away for awhile, just wanted to say "hey Manchu."

-Phanatik

Kaldor wrote:

focusedfire wrote:the Tau are brought-up/trained to desire only the greater good. Having personal wants and desires is a big no-no in the Tau society.

It doesn't matter. Even if the only thing they want is the Greater Good, Daemons can pretend to offer it to them.

Are you sure about that?

Remember how Chaos manefests as the desires/fears of latent psykers. For them to manifest within the Tau,

1) The Tau would need to be psykers

2)If you don't agree with the Psyker thing, then there are two more questions:
2a)How does Chaos offer something that the Tau already have?
2b) By manifesting as the greater good, wouldn't chaos cease to be chaos?

What I am getting at here is that GW has established the method and reason for chaos having and acquiring power. In order for there to be chaos tau, you have to break the method established for how chaos works.
I'm not denying that chaos could try to manfest to and corrupt the Tau.

I am proposing that there is nothing to be gained for the forces of chaos to do so and, that quite likely, to do so only weakens chaos or alters it back to its original peaceful dream state.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:


How the heck do you work out LoS issues with a pair of legs? They must've gotten cover saves from everything!

I'd be willing to bet they(as in the legs) couldn't shoot back . Since the Model didn't have any eyes.

Kaldor wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:

DOOMBREAD wrote:I really don't like Pony Marines. This whole "Brony" thing is fine with me... so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40k. This is a game that should be taken a little seriously at the very least, and if we start having MLP armies, where do we stop?

This is a wargame where Ubermenchs periodically butchers entire planets, where one playable faction is known across the universe for the rape of a large part of planet Earth, and where hatred is viewed as sacred. Nothing about this game should be taken seriously, at any level. Otherwise we justify every hysterical mother who went apeshit after a kiddy brought back the latest Chaos codex home.

This game is clunky, complicated without being complex, confusing, counter-intuitive, and if played for it's own merits is worthless.

However, if taken as a way to immerse one-self in the background, and forge a narrative between two forces, it becomes an enjoyable way to spend some time and throw some dice.

It is impossible, IMO, to enjoy a game playing against out-of-universe forces, especially ones that deliberately poke fun like MLP marines or hello kitty marines. As soon as you pull them out of the case, I'd rather be at home playing video games.

Thank you, Kaldor! I'm okay with bronies because some of them genuinely do like the show, but MLP marines are usually a bad ironic joke. Honestly, I can't imagine liking 40k just for the rules, which tend to favor armies that stick to a certain meta and ruin every other army. If I wanted good rules and game balance only, I'd play WHFB.

I really don't think that pony marines are some horrible crime, I just find them annoying.

focusedfire wrote:Remember how Chaos manefests as the desires/fears of latent psykers. For them to manifest within the Tau,

1) The Tau would need to be psykers

2)If you don't agree with the Psyker thing, then there are two more questions:
2a)How does Chaos offer something that the Tau already have?
2b) By manifesting as the greater good, wouldn't chaos cease to be chaos?

What I am getting at here is that GW has established the method and reason for chaos having and acquiring power. In order for there to be chaos tau, you have to break the method established for how chaos works.
I'm not denying that chaos could try to manfest to and corrupt the Tau.

I am proposing that there is nothing to be gained for the forces of chaos to do so and, that quite likely, to do so only weakens chaos or alters it back to its original peaceful dream state.

Erm, no?

Daemons can manifest in the material realm by porting directly into a warp-sensitive creature. Or by travelling through a daemonic warp portal. They often seek mortals to do things for them, to create those daemonic warp portals and lessen the military strength on the 'material' side of said portal.

All they would need to do is convince some Tau citizens that the Greater Good will be advanced by them doing X. And in return, they only need to do Y. When in fact, both X and Y will result in furthering the Daemons goals.

Now, due to the reduced warp sensitivity of the Tau, a Daemon would need to operate through an intermediary, either a possessed mortal or a cultist, but that's hardly a massive limitation.

Focusedfire, I think we interpret Tau fluff slightly differently. I agree that they're mostly as you say, but I see there to be more room for individual variation. Not every Tau everywhere is in constant zen-like state thinking only the Greater Good, even if vast majority is.

And this is what I mean by Chaos being limited and human centric:
Chaos does not affect the Orks as they're orky and have Gork and Mork.
Chaos does not affect Tyranids because they're too alien and have hive mind.
Chaos does not affect Necrons because they're machines.
Chaos could affect Eldar, but they've paranoid about protecting themselves from it, so it really doesn't happen.
Chaos does not affect Tau because they have weak warp precence and think only the Greater Good.

Every major race has some excuse for there not to be a Chaos version of them*. This makes Chaos seem weak and humans look stupid. Every other race seems to have either on purpose or by even accident developed a way to protect themselves from Chaos.

(* Granted, Chaos plays a big part in the Eldar background, and it is ineresting there, so this example is not really like the others.)

Now I personally do not clamour for a Chaos army of any of these races, but I do not see the idea absolutely ridiculous either. It is difference of someting being unlikely and being impossible. I think Chaos Tau are unlikely, but not impossible.

DPBellathrom wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:I dislike MLP for a different reason.

Imagine someone tells a bad joke. And everyone else wants to be ironic, so they don't stop repeating this bad joke and rubbing it in your face. Everywhere. Then, when you point out that it's annoying, that say you're a neckbeard with no life who takes everything too seriously. And then they repeat the joke again.

That's what the MLP 40k crossover gak is.

no......

it's because people involved in two or more fandoms like to mix them. someone on here did a clone wars army because he was a big fan of star wars and wanted to have them as a 40K army. I like MLP and 40K and thought it would be funny/cool to have them as a 40K army, same goes for the blazblue themed henchmen army I'm working on. in short, people like to mix fandoms; not because they think their being witty and ironic but because their bringing together two things that they enjoy.

what your thinking of is stuff like angry marines or pretty marines, where it is all just a joke, nothing more.

But MLP fanboyism stemmed ultimately from shock value, no? A lot of the jokes like 'I'm a 28 year old Navy S.E.A.L.... and I bloomin' love My Little Pony!' Bronies ultimately found it amusing and appealing that it was acceptable to retain masculinity despite seemingly obsessing over something considered to be effeminate. It was a form of counter-culture and yet it's just descended into a new level of conformity.

I wouldn't play against someone with MLP marines. I only play against my friends, not tournaments or pick-up games with strangers. None of my friends would ever consider doing that. It's a non-issue for me, then.

Chaos Tau? No, we wouldn't do that as it wouldn't be fluffy at all. Lame, really.

My group tries to keep their army fluffy and their orks orky.

Well, sure they're both lame Kronk. But which is lamer?

Henners91 wrote:

DPBellathrom wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:I dislike MLP for a different reason.

Imagine someone tells a bad joke. And everyone else wants to be ironic, so they don't stop repeating this bad joke and rubbing it in your face. Everywhere. Then, when you point out that it's annoying, that say you're a neckbeard with no life who takes everything too seriously. And then they repeat the joke again.

That's what the MLP 40k crossover gak is.

no......

it's because people involved in two or more fandoms like to mix them. someone on here did a clone wars army because he was a big fan of star wars and wanted to have them as a 40K army. I like MLP and 40K and thought it would be funny/cool to have them as a 40K army, same goes for the blazblue themed henchmen army I'm working on. in short, people like to mix fandoms; not because they think their being witty and ironic but because their bringing together two things that they enjoy.

what your thinking of is stuff like angry marines or pretty marines, where it is all just a joke, nothing more.

But MLP fanboyism stemmed ultimately from shock value, no? A lot of the jokes like 'I'm a 28 year old Navy S.E.A.L.... and I bloomin' love My Little Pony!' Bronies ultimately found it amusing and appealing that it was acceptable to retain masculinity despite seemingly obsessing over something considered to be effeminate. It was a form of counter-culture and yet it's just descended into a new level of conformity.

no, it came from this:

man: huh, nothing to watch on TV/my kid wants daddy to watch TV with her

events happen such as boredom, watching TV with his kid, etc. that lead to MLP being on TV

man:.....hey, this show's pretty good. hey guys, check this out *sends link to his mate via email, word of mouth or whatever*

mans friends: hey your right, this show is pretty good.

thats how it started, same way that any TV show gets watched and enjoyed by an audience

bronies then came about by people talking about the show online, like star wars, star trek or any other TV show with a cult following

It might seem like a strange concept to people but a TV show CAN be enjoyed by people simply because its a GOOD TV show.