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If my Tyranids weren't so painted, I could totally see doing a "My Little Tyranid" army.

Not a lot really, I think my limit would be something abhorrent, like SS themed guard with Concentration camp imagery, or over the top sexual themes.

Nazi symbols is a big turn off I'll admit. Stuff like MLP is like the Hello Kitty marines, I'd not do it, but its not something that would bother me.

The chibi Tyranids I've seen drawn would raise a chuckle mind.

I'm planning a MLP Chaos Tau army.

But it's on hold due to GW prices. And GO!

When I see a MLP army, I can't help but cringe at the money and time spent on something that I cannot conceive of as being valuable. Still, I can just tell myself "well, that's meaningful to somebody if not me." With Chaos Tau, I cringe hard because I know there is some wacky misunderstanding of fluff behind that. In other words, someone converting MLP marines isn't saying anything about the setting; it's not meant to be taken seriously. But there's probably a serious argument behind a Chaos Tau army. A dumb one to be sure but serious nonetheless. Another example is Slaaneshi armies where someone has modelled a huge penis on the front of a defiler or a Leman Russ (yes, it's happened) because I know they're going to snicker about being a hardcore troll out of one side of their face and argue that this is appropriate to the fluff out of the other side of the face. The Nazi stuff is about the same as that, IMO. The Nazi stuff is like the perfect storm of people making stupid assumptions about the fluff and smuggling in ideologies or preferences that have nothing to do with 40k.

Well I would find it hilarious if a guy came to play with a nazi themed army only to find that he is undone by facing an allied themed army in return.

A WW2 German themed Ork army, attacks.some Sisters of Battle's planet. Mordians come to help, but the incredibly fast vehicles and aggressive tactics push them back. Several years later an invasion.of Dakkajets, Blitzaboomers, Fightbommers and Fightas assail the Mordian homeworld. They fight back with Vultures, Lightnings, Vendettas, Valkeries, andba multitude of other aircraft. Meanwhile, the Orks try to use the same Blitzkrieg tactics on a Vestroyan planet but are defeated and pushed back to their border. The Mordians defeat the Dakkawaffe and fight back.

Meanwhile, accross the galaxy, the Ork's Tau allies take a cheap shot at Cadia. In retaliation, an allied force of Cadians and Elysians assail the Tau Empire, aiding the Mordians and Vestroyans. At the climax.of the battle, the Tau are defeated having been introduced to the newly developed method of Exterminatus via Cyclone Torpedo. A few months later, Vestroyan Stromtroopers board the Ork Killkruiser of the Warboss, and conquer it. They find the Warboss and his favourite Choppa, in a ship's bunker, suicide.



-WW2, the 40k way.

Well, that's interesting, I'll give it that much.

As long as someone has worked hard at something, I'm willing to play them.

I'm not easily offended, or gonna cringe at much; life is too short, and it's their toy soldiers to do with as they please.

Looking around, some of the conversions for "hello kitty" marines, and the accompanying paintjobs are pretty damn good. It would be a shame to throw away what could be a fun game just cause people have "issues" with the army theme.

I said that I am incapable of cringing over models, but that's not entirely true; proxies make me cringe. That's about it. Painted models are better than unpainted models, but I don't really care if they're painted or not (I still have loads of unpainted minis so it'd be very hypocritical of me to judge).

As much as I like the 40K background and universe, and contrary to how many people take the game, it is, in fact, not serious business. Nazi IG? Depending on how it's done it could be pretty tasteless, but eh. Let's play. MLP Marines? Let's play. Hello Kitty Marines? Let's play. Dick Cheney is your Chaos Lord/Chapter Master? Hilarious. Let's play. Frankly, if someone is modeling genitals onto their Leman Russes or adamantly and seriously defending a Chaos Tau army, that's their problem, not mine.

Back in my home town, one of the local Necron players was a pastor. He glued doilies and fake flowers to his Necrons and painted them pastel colours, and called them the "Church Lady Necrons", because "nothing is more terrifying than little old church ladies." They were utterly brilliant.

In summary: It's fine. U mad? Haters gonna hate. Come at me bro. Trololololololo. The butthurt is strong with this one (not meaning anyone in particular, but people who get mad at this kind of thing in general).

Now, if they're poorly modeled and painted conversions, that's a bummer, but if they're like the Optimus Prime or MLP Space Marines I've seen, or the aforementioned Church Lady Necrons, then I say bravo and well done!

They're your models, do as you wish, I frankly don't care.

I don't cringe awful conversions or awfully painted models. Pretty much I look at it this way, your models are like a dinner, you spend money on it, you spend time and effort making it tasty (spend money buying your models, and time and effort converting and painting them). If someone wants to take a dump on their own dinner (or make stupid conversions or paint jobs) that is their prerogative, it is their dinner (army) let them do what they want.

On-topic: I wouldn't mind playing against Chaos Tau if it was modeled well and to be honest I think that would apply to a MLP army. Provided it looked cool and it was easy to understand what each unit was I'd be fine with it.

Off-topic: I don't get this hate for The Big Bang Theory.

It's scientifically accurate. The characters are well thought out and it's funny a lot of the time.

Evilledz wrote:On-topic: I wouldn't mind playing against Chaos Tau if it was modeled well and to be honest I think that would apply to a MLP army. Provided it looked cool and it was easy to understand what each unit was I'd be fine with it.

Off-topic: I don't get this hate for The Big Bang Theory.

It's scientifically accurate. The characters are well thought out and it's funny a lot of the time.

Agreed. It's a terrific show.

Manchu wrote:When I see a MLP army, I can't help but cringe at the money and time spent on something that I cannot conceive of as being valuable. Still, I can just tell myself "well, that's meaningful to somebody if not me." With Chaos Tau, I cringe hard because I know there is some wacky misunderstanding of fluff behind that. In other words, someone converting MLP marines isn't saying anything about the setting; it's not meant to be taken seriously. But there's probably a serious argument behind a Chaos Tau army. A dumb one to be sure but serious nonetheless. Another example is Slaaneshi armies where someone has modelled a huge penis on the front of a defiler or a Leman Russ (yes, it's happened) because I know they're going to snicker about being a hardcore troll out of one side of their face and argue that this is appropriate to the fluff out of the other side of the face. The Nazi stuff is about the same as that, IMO. The Nazi stuff is like the perfect storm of people making stupid assumptions about the fluff and smuggling in ideologies or preferences that have nothing to do with 40k.

for the record, I payed about £40 for my 1750 pts army :3 then again thats because I bought some good joblots off ebay and MLP blindbag toys are pretty cheap anyway :/

and as for time, it's a lot quicker than people think and a better waste of time than what I normally do

as for people sticking a dick on a tank or boobs on a defiler, I just brush it off as immature. If they think it's funny then fine....just dont come crying when you get kicked out of the GW store/LGS

also, the battle suit posted a few pages back, I would really like to see an army done like that :3 zombie/mutant tau would be fun

RatBot wrote:I said that I am incapable of cringing over models, but that's not entirely true; proxies make me cringe. That's about it. Painted models are better than unpainted models, but I don't really care if they're painted or not (I still have loads of unpainted minis so it'd be very hypocritical of me to judge).

As much as I like the 40K background and universe, and contrary to how many people take the game, it is, in fact, not serious business. Nazi IG? Depending on how it's done it could be pretty tasteless, but eh. Let's play. MLP Marines? Let's play. Hello Kitty Marines? Let's play. Dick Cheney is your Chaos Lord/Chapter Master? Hilarious.

Amen! Praise be Ratbot and his clarity of understanding!

Burn the Butthurt!
Kill the Haters!
Purge the Neckbeards!

I really don't like Pony Marines. This whole "Brony" thing is fine with me... so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40k. This is a game that should be taken a little seriously* at the very least, and if we start having MLP armies, where do we stop? I don't really care about Chaos Tau, because Chaos and Tau are both things that are in 40k and are possible to take seriously, but Pony Marines are just a bad joke about the unintended maturity level of a show intended for 6 year old girls, that people are perpetuating endlessly and bringing into every aspect of life seemingly just to be ironic.

*What I mean by this is that the game is not a joke-not that we should dedicate our lives to it and all pray to the Emperor three times a day and execute Chaos and Xenos players for heresy.

DOOMBREAD wrote:I really don't like Pony Marines. This whole "Brony" thing is fine with me... so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40k. This is a game that should be taken a little seriously at the very least, and if we start having MLP armies, where do we stop?

This is a wargame where Ubermenchs periodically butchers entire planets, where one playable faction is known across the universe for the rape of a large part of planet Earth, and where hatred is viewed as sacred. Nothing about this game should be taken seriously, at any level. Otherwise we justify every hysterical mother who went apeshit after a kiddy brought back the latest Chaos codex home.

Kovnik Obama wrote:

DOOMBREAD wrote:I really don't like Pony Marines. This whole "Brony" thing is fine with me... so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40k. This is a game that should be taken a little seriously at the very least, and if we start having MLP armies, where do we stop?

This is a wargame where Ubermenchs periodically butchers entire planets, where one playable faction is known across the universe for the rape of a large part of planet Earth, and where hatred is viewed as sacred. Nothing about this game should be taken seriously, at any level. Otherwise we justify every hysterical mother who went apeshit after a kiddy brought back the latest Chaos codex home.

This game is clunky, complicated without being complex, confusing, counter-intuitive, and if played for it's own merits is worthless.

However, if taken as a way to immerse one-self in the background, and forge a narrative between two forces, it becomes an enjoyable way to spend some time and throw some dice.

It is impossible, IMO, to enjoy a game playing against out-of-universe forces, especially ones that deliberately poke fun like MLP marines or hello kitty marines. As soon as you pull them out of the case, I'd rather be at home playing video games.

I dislike MLP for a different reason.

Imagine someone tells a bad joke. And everyone else wants to be ironic, so they don't stop repeating this bad joke and rubbing it in your face. Everywhere. Then, when you point out that it's annoying, that say you're a neckbeard with no life who takes everything too seriously. And then they repeat the joke again.

That's what the MLP 40k crossover gak is.

DOOMBREAD wrote:I really don't like Pony Marines. This whole "Brony" thing is fine with me... so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40k.

I really don't like people taking this game too seriously. If you're really hardcore into the game, that's fine, so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40K.

This is a game that should be taken a little seriously at the very least,

No, I don't think I will, thank you.

Pony marines don't really bother me as they are just a joke army, like Angry Marines.

I really do not like the idea of Chaos Tau though. Most of the time it is just an excuse for people to stick skulls and spikes on everything with no thought about the fluff. I also can't see any Tau willing following any Chaos Gods, and they aren't worth possessing.

Renegade Tau, i'm alright with if it makes sense with the fluff. (if all Ethereals die Firewarriors become more aggressive and don't think properly, probably what happened with Farsight)

Kaldor wrote:
This game is clunky, complicated without being complex, confusing, counter-intuitive, and if played for it's own merits is worthless.

Well yeah. At the very least that marks you as a reasonnable person

However, if taken as a way to immerse one-self in the background, and forge a narrative between two forces, it becomes an enjoyable way to spend some time and throw some dice.

It is impossible, IMO, to enjoy a game playing against out-of-universe forces, especially ones that deliberately poke fun like MLP marines or hello kitty marines. As soon as you pull them out of the case, I'd rather be at home playing video games.

Well, as long as it's about your ability to enjoy the narrative, I can understand why. A bit like playing a game of Vampire the Mascarade and then suddenly being trampled by unicorns. Humm, actually that might fare well with a Changeling crossover

I know some people that dislike playing a wargame in which theres female represented. Others that would break their own stuff after loosing against a Pony or Hello Kitty army. These people are butthurt because someone decided to make a joke out of something to which they simply attribute too much importance. If you truly, simply cannot enjoy the game, all the while not getting angry, than I guess that's the prerogative of a gamer ; no one should play a game they don't enjoy. But getting angry because someone else decided to poke fun at an IP... God there must be a hell somewhere for such people... A never-ending Matt Ward fluff seminary?

If someone had a pony army I wouldn't play them.

Buttons wrote:I don't cringe awful conversions or awfully painted models. Pretty much I look at it this way, your models are like a dinner, you spend money on it, you spend time and effort making it tasty (spend money buying your models, and time and effort converting and painting them). If someone wants to take a dump on their own dinner (or make stupid conversions or paint jobs) that is their prerogative, it is their dinner (army) let them do what they want.

Well lets test this theory shall we.

Would you sit down and eat with someone who took a dump in their own dinner? Your meal is OK, they've just taking a dump in their dinner, but I somehow think you wouldn't be sitting at the same table?


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Kovnik Obama wrote:

DOOMBREAD wrote:I really don't like Pony Marines. This whole "Brony" thing is fine with me... so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40k. This is a game that should be taken a little seriously at the very least, and if we start having MLP armies, where do we stop?

This is a wargame where Ubermenchs periodically butchers entire planets, where one playable faction is known across the universe for the rape of a large part of planet Earth, and where hatred is viewed as sacred. Nothing about this game should be taken seriously, at any level. Otherwise we justify every hysterical mother who went apeshit after a kiddy brought back the latest Chaos codex home.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't meaning it in that sort of context. He's not talking about taking the fluff seriously in terms of real life. He is talking about the game playability.


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Kaldor wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:

DOOMBREAD wrote:I really don't like Pony Marines. This whole "Brony" thing is fine with me... so long as you don't try to bring it into my 40k. This is a game that should be taken a little seriously at the very least, and if we start having MLP armies, where do we stop?

This is a wargame where Ubermenchs periodically butchers entire planets, where one playable faction is known across the universe for the rape of a large part of planet Earth, and where hatred is viewed as sacred. Nothing about this game should be taken seriously, at any level. Otherwise we justify every hysterical mother who went apeshit after a kiddy brought back the latest Chaos codex home.

This game is clunky, complicated without being complex, confusing, counter-intuitive, and if played for it's own merits is worthless.

However, if taken as a way to immerse one-self in the background, and forge a narrative between two forces, it becomes an enjoyable way to spend some time and throw some dice.

It is impossible, IMO, to enjoy a game playing against out-of-universe forces, especially ones that deliberately poke fun like MLP marines or hello kitty marines. As soon as you pull them out of the case, I'd rather be at home playing video games.

Thumbs up.

In my mind its nice to forge a narrative that fits the setting. Not saying I do this every game but If I know I'm coming up against another Marine player then its good to think of a general reason for the fight. If I see someone pull out Pony Marines to go up against then my reason for fighting them becomes useless except for one thing, that being "THEY ARE ABOMINATIONS AND MUST DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


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Mentlegen324 wrote:Pony marines don't really bother me as they are just a joke army, like Angry Marines.

I really do not like the idea of Chaos Tau though. Most of the time it is just an excuse for people to stick skulls and spikes on everything with no thought about the fluff. I also can't see any Tau willing following any Chaos Gods, and they aren't worth possessing.

Renegade Tau, i'm alright with if it makes sense with the fluff. (if all Ethereals die Firewarriors become more aggressive and don't think properly, probably what happened with Farsight)

In other words, just sticking skulls and spikey bits onto Tau is bad fluff justification but Pony Marines are OK.


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I know some people that dislike playing a wargame in which theres female represented. Others that would break their own stuff after loosing against a Pony or Hello Kitty army. These people are butthurt because someone decided to make a joke out of something to which they simply attribute too much importance. If you truly, simply cannot enjoy the game, all the while not getting angry, than I guess that's the prerogative of a gamer ; no one should play a game they don't enjoy. But getting angry because someone else decided to poke fun at an IP... God there must be a hell somewhere for such people... A never-ending Matt Ward fluff seminary?

I've got no problem with Women playing the game and I have no problem with female armies. Heck even Sisters of battle are female and some Eldar units are female and they are terrific. The problem is just bringing in some Random thing that doesn't fit the 40k universe into it. I would have the same problem with someone who thought it was funny to make a whole army around He-Man and the Masters of the Universe.

If you like MLP then fine, but theres no reason for you to bring it into 40k. I'm a Glasgow Rangers fan, but I'm not all of a sudden going to make an army in Red, White & Blue, stick the Rangers crest of their shoulder pads and paint their faces up to look like past Rangers football players. "Oh this is Brian Laudrup, he is my winger, That means a Librarian for your info".

If I did that I would expect somebody to find me certifiably insane and lock me away in a mental institution.

LoneLictor wrote:I dislike MLP for a different reason.

Imagine someone tells a bad joke. And everyone else wants to be ironic, so they don't stop repeating this bad joke and rubbing it in your face. Everywhere. Then, when you point out that it's annoying, that say you're a neckbeard with no life who takes everything too seriously. And then they repeat the joke again.

That's what the MLP 40k crossover gak is.

but what if i geniunly like bad jokes... such as

why did the hipster burn his mouth on pizza


what do you get when you cross a helicopter a elephant and a rhino


i just don't see the big deal abotu freakign out over modeling or panting. there are some people i play with who know how to airbrush, and have done all kinds of cool paintjobbs to thier minis to make them more thematic. I did my best but i'm not a good painter. my orks and marines look decent from a tabletop standard set but i'm not in danger of getting a golden demon award ever, but i did take the time and effort to dynamically pose and paint my orks if somebody chooses to ahve a little fun with thier painting and goes the extra mile on convertions of to paint each squad in a different my little pony theme kudos to them for having the patience to do that, now let throw some dice, drink some pop and pretend we are generals

If you like MLP then fine, but theres no reason for you to bring it into 40k. I'm a Glasgow Rangers fan, but I'm not all of a sudden going to make an army in Red, White & Blue, stick the Rangers crest of their shoulder pads and paint their faces up to look like past Rangers football players. "Oh this is Brian Laudrup, he is my winger, That means a Librarian for your info".

If I did that I would expect somebody to find me certifiably insane and lock me away in a mental institution.

I'd find that actually pretty cool to face, and nobody would really think your insane otherwise.

I just expect you to WYSIWYG and make sure things though. Personally I prefer the neat conversions compared to proxies and unpainted models.

@Manchu
This may not be to your taste but it did take skills.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63881627@N08/5810452007/sizes/l/in/pool-1606491@N21/

DarthOvious wrote:

Buttons wrote:I don't cringe awful conversions or awfully painted models. Pretty much I look at it this way, your models are like a dinner, you spend money on it, you spend time and effort making it tasty (spend money buying your models, and time and effort converting and painting them). If someone wants to take a dump on their own dinner (or make stupid conversions or paint jobs) that is their prerogative, it is their dinner (army) let them do what they want.

Well lets test this theory shall we.

Would you sit down and eat with someone who took a dump in their own dinner? Your meal is OK, they've just taking a dump in their dinner, but I somehow think you wouldn't be sitting at the same table?

With all due respect to Buttons, it's not a great analogy. A better example would be if they made a meal of roast chicken, strawberry jam, and gravy. It would seem to be utterly ruined by your tastes, but is still food, and appeals to them - no matter how unpalatable most people would find it. Defecating in a meal is like 'painting' miniatures with excrement.


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z6imm wrote:@Manchu
This may not be to your taste but it did take skills.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63881627@N08/5810452007/sizes/l/in/pool-1606491@N21/

I don't see how that contravenes fluff. Rainbow coloured LoCs are an old staple.

G00fySmiley wrote:
but what if i geniunly like bad jokes... such as

why did the hipster burn his mouth on pizza

Spoiler:

he ate it before it was cool

what do you get when you cross a helicopter a elephant and a rhino

Spoiler:

hell if i know

Those are some bad jokes. Expect to be banned for them.

i just don't see the big deal abotu freakign out over modeling or panting. there are some people i play with who know how to airbrush, and have done all kinds of cool paintjobbs to thier minis to make them more thematic. I did my best but i'm not a good painter. my orks and marines look decent from a tabletop standard set but i'm not in danger of getting a golden demon award ever, but i did take the time and effort to dynamically pose and paint my orks if somebody chooses to ahve a little fun with thier painting and goes the extra mile on convertions of to paint each squad in a different my little pony theme kudos to them for having the patience to do that, now let throw some dice, drink some pop and pretend we are generals

No problem with themeing your army, just as long as you do it properly and not make your Chapter Master Willy Wonka or something.

I notice that if you put 'Space Marines kill' into google, the top suggestion is 'Space Marines killing ponies'.


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