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Personally I would like to see a Nazi themed IG army. Say what you want about them, their blitzkrieg tactics were undeniably effective. If someone was marching about, with a drawn on Hitler mousstache and doing the whole "Heil Hitler" gak that is a different story.

Daemonhammer wrote:

RicBlasko wrote:[...]Nazi IG ( I seen a really well done army like that, and the player who was kicked out of a store for it) I just sort of shrug and move on.

I would never play against someone like that, its just shocking someone is enough to make something like that.

See I am not seeing the "wrong" if I play Flames of War, or one of the WWII games I would see the same thing. I am sure people would get upset at "Commie Guard" or if someone's Blood Angels had the little hammer and sycle on them..but Warhammer 40K to me has always had a touch of those things. Even in the novels, Ciaphias Cain fought a gu that looked like Hitler.
But all of this talk does make me want to see a MLP Marine army vs Hello Kitty Marines.

Deadshot wrote:Personally I would like to see a Nazi themed IG army. Say what you want about them, their blitzkrieg tactics were undeniably effective. If someone was marching about, with a drawn on Hitler mousstache and doing the whole "Heil Hitler" gak that is a different story.

Fine, but instead of saying a 'Nazi' themed IG army, why not a 'Wehrmacht' or 'WWII German' themed army?

Seeing a bunch of models done up as Wehrmacht soldiers is fine, but you get over the line when you start breaking out the SS-iconography and Nazi-esque flags.

Good idea. Also, I didn't know what Werhmatcht was,.or even such a word existed. But yes, " WW2 German styled IG" would be a cool thing to see, as long as there is no "Heil Hitler" gak going on as I said.

I'm up for any conversion as long as it looks good and there's paint on the plastic/metal/resin/plasresin/ect.

Deadshot wrote:Good idea. Also, I didn't know what Werhmatcht was,.or even such a word existed. But yes, " WW2 German styled IG" would be a cool thing to see, as long as there is no "Heil Hitler" gak going on as I said.

Wehrmacht = the actual German army in WWII. If I wanted to be specific, someone would want to do a 'Heer' IG army. The 'Waffen-SS' were the SS soldiers that fought alongside the Wehrmacht as a separate entity.

So, a 'Heer' IG army? Ok, that's pretty cool, especially if the guys gone and used German tanks of the era. A Waffen-SS themed army would definitely be towing the 'acceptable' line.

Zweischneid wrote:Yes. Isn't the entire Farsight story a potential hook as well. He's got a mysterious, super-powerful sword of unknown origins (yeah... riiiight) and starts going all rebellious on his race and the established hierarchies.

I am not saying it has to be Chaos there, probably not, but it's ambiguous enough that a hobbyist who would like to have it that way, could very well interpret this a as a story hook for Tau-Corruption.

Yeah, I always assumed that Farsight was going a bit chaosy there. Chaos Tau are fine, they have a weak warp precence, but they're not incorruptible. Also, they're pretty clueless about chaos things, to that causes them to be careless.

As for MLP, well, even though I've nothing against the ponies, I'm never been much of a fan of complete joke armies. But then again, it's not my army, and if someone wants to make such a force, it's not skin off my nose. And as someone said, at least it way better than half assembled unpainted armies. I once saw someone playing with an army that had an unit of unpainted kroot legs. They were missing their upper bodies, arms and heads entierly. That is and army I'd refuse to play against.

Am I mistaken, or was there once, like on the books with GW, a Rainbow Warrior Chapter of Marines....

RicBlasko wrote:Am I mistaken, or was there once, like on the books with GW, a Rainbow Warrior Chapter of Marines....

Yes. They were in the Rogue Trader.

RicBlasko wrote:Am I mistaken, or was there once, like on the books with GW, a Rainbow Warrior Chapter of Marines....

back in the RT days the used to be a friends of the earth joke army but now, unless I'm wrong, their more of an aztec themed army :3

Ugh, no thank you to MLP marines. They should all meet my friends Mr. Zippo and Mr. Axe Bodyspray.

Semi-off topic, Nazi models are usually considered bad form, but if you are playing a game that is based off of WW2, such as Dust Tactics, is it okay to have models in Nazi uniforms? I was thinking of painting swastikas on my Axis zombies when I get them, as my understanding is that they are zombified Nazi soldiers-it would fit the background of the models completely. I'm not some racist douchebag, I'd never put it in an area that is inappropriate, but I feel in the DT instance, it makes a degree of sense and realism.

timetowaste85 wrote:Ugh, no thank you to MLP marines. They should all meet my friends Mr. Zippo and Mr. Axe Bodyspray.

Semi-off topic, Nazi models are usually considered bad form, but if you are playing a game that is based off of WW2, such as Dust Tactics, is it okay to have models in Nazi uniforms? I was thinking of painting swastikas on my Axis zombies when I get them, as my understanding is that they are zombified Nazi soldiers-it would fit the background of the models completely. I'm not some racist douchebag, I'd never put it in an area that is inappropriate, but I feel in the DT instance, it makes a degree of sense and realism.

I see no problem with this, but then again my IG is moddeld on the SS Viking divison from WW2, so I may be partial to just say good job if its a well done paintjob. People need to stop being so easly offended.

Could just put a X or something. I understand completely, but some people are very edgy about that sort of thing. Though even then I expect the same type to make a fuss regardless.

MLP.

But MLP makes me cringe, anyway. Not because of the bronies - MLP made me cringe long before they adopted it as their Cause célèbre.

Badly drawn caricatures of hellspawn, designed purely to sell toys to the naive and easily led. Rather like Transformers.

Did a Mod seriously just unleash the MLP beast!?! I thought there was only supposed to be one MLP thread in off topic because MLP is some sort of internet virus that will rabidly infect and spread throughout the forums unless contained. Is this the latest outbreak? Prepare yourselves for infection fellow users. They got one of the Mods.

I'm fine with MLP marines, pink flower-necrons, hello kitty marines, transformorks, angry marines and other silly conversions which totally break the 4th wall.

I'm also fine with Chaos Tau, Orkquisition, female Marines or khorne eldar which completely break the 40k fluff.

It's a game to have fun, if you have fun converting, painting and playing something that completely doesn't fit the 40k fluff, all power to you.

However, if you start putting swastika on red flags with white circels all over your IG, model your GK henchmen with white hoods and robes or use your army to make any other extremist or racist statement, that's not ok. The former one might even get you arrested in Germany (though you'll probably get away with calling your models "art"), but you'll get kicked out of any store for sure. There is a reason why German variants of WW2 pc games contain funky flags(usually WW1 flags), as well as silly greetings and names.

Crimson wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:Yes. Isn't the entire Farsight story a potential hook as well. He's got a mysterious, super-powerful sword of unknown origins (yeah... riiiight) and starts going all rebellious on his race and the established hierarchies.

I am not saying it has to be Chaos there, probably not, but it's ambiguous enough that a hobbyist who would like to have it that way, could very well interpret this a as a story hook for Tau-Corruption.

Yeah, I always assumed that Farsight was going a bit chaosy there. Chaos Tau are fine, they have a weak warp precence, but they're not incorruptible. Also, they're pretty clueless about chaos things, to that causes them to be careless.

This is your assumption,
There is nothing in the Tau fluff that supports such and actually a lot that would argue against.
Farsights sword is usually thought to be a C'tan relic, an artifact from an extinct race or a prank played by Ceggorach-the Laughing God.

The Tau are short-lived and do not have the Warp/psycher gene. As such they are viewed as to not being suceptible to Chaos possession and mutation.

Before you bring up Farsights extended life-span, I'd like to point out that the best/most thourough fluff concerning him suggest that Farsight himself (may be/most likely) is dead.
That his Battlesuit, the sword and his name have become a rank that is handed down through the generations.


I think it ironic, how people have no problem of suggesting major changes to the background of armies they don't play or like.
But, if someone suggested that something contridictory to the very essence of their army be allowed(Female SM's, BT, SW, GK, BA, DA or that they all get rolled back into one army), said individual would be very wroth with the those trying to bring about said change.


Now if someone wants to spend their money on a what-if/alternate reality and play some Chaos Tau House rule games.....no problem if both players are agreeable to said idea.
If they want to decorate their army as Chaos and play them by the Tau codex rules....no problem
If they want to convert a Tau army and use them as chaos proxies...no problem in casual games, problem in tournies.

If you are going around trying to get people to accept them and the backstory or are campaigning for them to become a recognized faction/part of 40k Tau background, then look elsewhere for your games and support.

To be perfectly honest, neither really bugs me all that much. Very few conversions have the power to actually make me uncomfortable/cringe.

That said, I think Chaos Tau bugs me a bit more than MLP marines. For me it comes down to the intent behind the conversion. With Chaos Tau, the intent almost always seems to be "I want Chaos bitz on my Tau and so I'm going to ham-fistedly retcon/remake the fluff to justify doing so," which is an attitude that's always struck me as kinda lame. If somebody wants to make "Corrupted Gues'va wearing the skin of Tau, wielding corrupted, stolen tau weaponry, then sure, but most of the Chaos Tau fluff I've read has been pretty boring/poorly written. I feel the same way about "Chaos Grey Knights," "Slaanesh (D)Eldar," Female Space Marines, etc, etc.

I generally lump MLP conversions in with all the other "deliberate trolling/joke/niche interest conversions" like Angry Marines, Pretty Marines, Hello-Kitty marines, models made of LEGO & pipe-cleaner, etc. With these kinds of conversions, I'm more inclined to judge based on the quality of the conversion (i.e. did the creator effectively bring their idea to life) rather than on any sort of justification. Even so, most of the time these conversions are just kinda "meh" for me.

/2cents

focusedfire wrote:

Crimson wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:Yes. Isn't the entire Farsight story a potential hook as well. He's got a mysterious, super-powerful sword of unknown origins (yeah... riiiight) and starts going all rebellious on his race and the established hierarchies.

I am not saying it has to be Chaos there, probably not, but it's ambiguous enough that a hobbyist who would like to have it that way, could very well interpret this a as a story hook for Tau-Corruption.

Yeah, I always assumed that Farsight was going a bit chaosy there. Chaos Tau are fine, they have a weak warp precence, but they're not incorruptible. Also, they're pretty clueless about chaos things, to that causes them to be careless.

This is your assumption,
There is nothing in the Tau fluff that supports such and actually a lot that would argue against.
Farsights sword is usually thought to be a C'tan relic, an artifact from an extinct race or a prank played by Ceggorach-the Laughing God.

The Tau are short-lived and do not have the Warp/psycher gene. As such they are viewed as to not being suceptible to Chaos possession and mutation.

Before you bring up Farsights extended life-span, I'd like to point out that the best/most thourough fluff concerning him suggest that Farsight himself (may be/most likely) is dead.
That his Battlesuit, the sword and his name have become a rank that is handed down through the generations.


I think it ironic, how people have no problem of suggesting major changes to the background of armies they don't play or like.
But, if someone suggested that something contridictory to the very essence of their army be allowed(Female SM's, BT, SW, GK, BA, DA or that they all get rolled back into one army), said individual would be very wroth with the those trying to bring about said change.


Now if someone wants to spend their money on a what-if/alternate reality and play some Chaos Tau House rule games.....no problem if both players are agreeable to said idea.
If they want to decorate their army as Chaos and play them by the Tau codex rules....no problem
If they want to convert a Tau army and use them as chaos proxies...no problem in casual games, problem in tournies.

If you are going around trying to get people to accept them and the backstory or are campaigning for them to become a recognized faction/part of 40k Tau background, then look elsewhere for your games and support.

A. I do play Tau

B. I know that most fan-theories would disagree with the Chaos theory and said so.

C. There is just as little actual support for C'Tan weapons or any of the other things you mentioned

D. The entire metaphysiology of "warp signatures" and whatever else isn't clearly defined in the first place. Corruption to Chaos comes from falling to certain vices. Show me a line in GW's work that absolutely rules out corruptions because of a lack of "warp signature" or whatever you have. The latter is not a free pass to indulge in whatever sin you have without risking corruption.

E. The Warp is a reflection of strong emotions, Tau do have emotions.

F. As said, even if it isn't the most probable explanation, Farsight as a chaos hook is a possible explanation. GW has purposfully kept alot of their background ambigious precisely so that there would not be just a single "true" explanation. The entire point is to allow scope for different people to piece in the gaps with different interpretations to make it "their own".

focusedfire wrote:


The Tau are short-lived and do not have the Warp/psycher gene. As such they are viewed as to not being suceptible to Chaos possession and mutation.

Everything is susceptible to Warp influence. If Chaos can turn the very soil and mundane plants and animals into twisted horrors, they can do it to the Tau. The Tau don't have a psyker gene, nor do most humans. Short lifespan is irrelevant.

If a warp storm erupts near a Tau world, there is nothing to say they'd be immune to it. Absolutely nothing. They just aren't very attractive targets it anything else is around.

The Tau are not some magical Warp-immune race. They just aren't flaming beacons to it as other races are. If exposed to the warp, there isn't a single shred of fluff, Tau or otherwise, that says they can't or won't be susceptible to its mutating (both physical and mental) effects.

Either. Hell, unconverted Tau make me cringe.

Gentlemen, I find this thread more cringe worthy then any of the four or so modeling designs or conversations being discussed. In the decades I've played this game I have seen two female players armies. Both of them are up in this thread for the worst things you can do. Both of them I would place in the best looking armies I have ever seen. It was apparent that a lot of time, love and effort was placed into building and painting the models, each and every one. I mention this because a couple days after my friends wife posted pics of her sparkle, rainbow deamon army. A lot of enthusiasm for doing warhammer vanished.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Either. Hell, unconverted Tau make me cringe.

Oh this made my day

Honestly, I don't see the problem with Chaos Tau.

Do the Tau want things?

Yes.

Can Daemons pretend to offer those things, in return for favours from the Tau?

Yes.

Therefore, the Tau can become the servants of Chaos.

Not having a significant warp process just means the forces of Chaos need to use an intermediary, like a cultist or someone.

The "My Little Pony" theme is worse by a long shot. It's in the same category as the "hello kitty" army that was making the rounds a few years back, the various "Angry Marines" projects I've seen, etc. Sorry. I just don't care for armies built around a joke. A little humor here and there is fine. But a whole (expensive) project? No way. This is especially the case when the source is a damned 4chan meme.

TR

I would love playing an MLP Marine army, either against or with, and especially more if I can revel in the tears of frustrations of fat neckbeards screaming 'HERESY' all around me. I would feed on all that misspent hatred all days, every days, if I could. Each time someone would refused to play me, I would grow bolder and stronger, until I finally ascended to the pantheon of Chaos Gods and unleashed the legions of sparkly hooves that would trample the Universe!

Honestly tho, I can't think of anything more dumb than caring enough about what shape the toy soldiers my opponent brings to play against me, that I'd refuse to play against him. (the Nazi IG would be bad taste, but hey, I get to kill nazis, so that's a plus)

Chaos Tau, fair enough. If they're well done and painted to a reasonable level.

Pony Marines. No. Just. No.

I've already been singled out by society as a "Geek/Nerd"; I don't need to sinble myself out even more by being associated with a bad cartoon for small children that revolves around multi-coloured horses.

focusedfire wrote:
This is your assumption,
There is nothing in the Tau fluff that supports such and actually a lot that would argue against.
Farsights sword is usually thought to be a C'tan relic, an artifact from an extinct race or a prank played by Ceggorach-the Laughing God.

And that is your assumption. I'm not saying GW totally intended it to be Chaos thing, merely that this was my first thought when I read Farsight fluff, and it would fit in a way.

The Tau are short-lived and do not have the Warp/psycher gene. As such they are viewed as to not being suceptible to Chaos possession and mutation.

Less suspectible. They're not immune.

Before you bring up Farsights extended life-span, I'd like to point out that the best/most thourough fluff concerning him suggest that Farsight himself (may be/most likely) is dead.
That his Battlesuit, the sword and his name have become a rank that is handed down through the generations.

Obviously other Tau who have no idea of what Chaos can do would think this.

I think it ironic, how people have no problem of suggesting major changes to the background of armies they don't play or like.
But, if someone suggested that something contridictory to the very essence of their army be allowed(Female SM's, BT, SW, GK, BA, DA or that they all get rolled back into one army), said individual would be very wroth with the those trying to bring about said change.

I like Tau, I'm just painting a litle bunch of Tau Mercenaries (yes, mercenaries, working for money, not for greater good!) as an allied detachment for my IG. And you can roll all marines into one codex for all I care, in fact, I'd prefer it. And I have no problem with people having female marines in their armies if they want.

If you are going around trying to get people to accept them and the backstory or are campaigning for them to become a recognized faction/part of 40k Tau background, then look elsewhere for your games and support.

I think it is silly to assume that because Tau are resilient to corruption, that there can be no any Chaos Tau ever. This is such a limited view of Chaos and makes it look way to human centric and in a way powerless. All alien races are immune or protected in a way, Chaos can only ever influence humans. I find this boring and unnecessarily weak. Similarly I find it odd that people think races to be this monolithic blocks of clones. If fluff says that race X usually behaves like this and that, does not mean that every member of said race everywhere always does so.

I'm more irked by fluff warping armies, myself. Yes, Chaos Tau could happen, but it's such a bloody obvious thing to to. New gamers often think that it'd be cool to take an army and make it 'Chaos' by sticking some spikes on it and painting it black. It's tedious, and it's trite, and it's been done to death. A genuinely well reasoned and well executed traitor army could be very cool, but 99% of them seem to be 'choas gray knitghs,' because kids think evil equals awesome. Blegh.

Obviously joke armies I have less of a problem with. I probably wouldn't want to play them - I like the setting and I want to play in the setting, not a parody of it - but they don't grate on me nearly as much. If someone wants to spend that much time and money on a novelty army, well, that's their call. I'll appreciate the humour, but I'd rather play against a 40K fluff based army. It just makes for a better narrative, IMO.

Brother SRM wrote:

Ma55ter_fett wrote:I find "The big bang theory tv show" cringe worthy. I know some really intelligent people whose opinion I respect love it a lot, and that’s ok… even intelligent people can be wrong at times.

The Big Bang Theory is nerd blackface. It's just a generic gakky sitcom with some random nerd references shoehorned in there. Loathsome program.

That's exactly it. You've really hit the nail on the head there. I hate that show.

htj wrote:I'm more irked by fluff warping armies, myself. Yes, Chaos Tau could happen, but it's such a bloody obvious thing to to. New gamers often think that it'd be cool to take an army and make it 'Chaos' by sticking some spikes on it and painting it black. It's tedious, and it's trite, and it's been done to death. A genuinely well reasoned and well executed traitor army could be very cool, but 99% of them seem to be 'choas gray knitghs,' because kids think evil equals awesome. Blegh.

But this is just because 90% of everything is crap. It does not mean the concept itself is unworkable.