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Stuff like the two remaining GD's, maybe Adepticon, still it sucks to be ROW. Unless they put a limited number on sale on their site again, as they did with some other event exclusives.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I might be reading it wrong, but the way it is worded seems to suggest that it's going to be available at more events than simply the Horus Heresy Weekender.

Please post the words to which you are referring.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Yeah, it's super exciting. Now all I need is airfare to Nottingham and my 110USD ticket to the Weekender.

I might be reading it wrong, but the way it is worded seems to suggest that it's going to be available at more events than simply the Horus Heresy Weekender.

Oh OK, so all he needs to do is find $50 for a gamesday ticket, plus travel and board considering the distances involved in state-to-state trips, that's much better.

As to the pretty pictars; I suspect the HH cover is meant to be one of the orbital plates, and that drawing of the Phalanx looks suspiciously like a Ramilies class Star Fort to me.

 Manchu wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I might be reading it wrong, but the way it is worded seems to suggest that it's going to be available at more events than simply the Horus Heresy Weekender.

Please post the words to which you are referring.

reds8n wrote:As promised, here's a new Neil Roberts Horus Heresy cover for you. This one is from 'The Imperial Truth' a new event-exclusive short story anthology that will make its debut at this year's Horus Heresy Weekender.

I could entirely be reading into it something that isn't there, but it reads to me that the Horus Heresy Weekender is going to be the first time it is available not the only time it will be available.

The ambiguity is I'm sure intentional. On one hand, they're marketing exclusivity. On the other, they don't want to make a promise not to reprint the stories 18 months from now.

As is often said of GW, I love BL and cannot understand why BL hates me.

Because you don't love them enough, Manchu!

For what it's worth though, I would not be surprised to see copies make their way for sale on the Black Library site. It'd still be hideously expensive but it likely will not be until after we know who's written the stories and gotten some reviews to see whether it would be "worth it" or not.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Because you don't love them enough, Manchu!

Yeah, now that you mention it, it does seem like GW's marketing scheme is patterned after Battered Spouse Syndrome.

OKay...so I love the new Custodes art...but damned if I didn't think how great a meme it would make the instant I saw it. Enjoy (or not)

Haha very good

Have to say I love that piece of artwork! Some of Neil Roberts stuff has really improved I think of late.

Because you don't love them enough, Manchu!

Exactly! You should be paying just for the chance of crawling through broken glass and sitting in their shadow. That's the way it works isn't it?

looks like Baneblade, by Guy Haley (ex White Dwarf editor), is coming out tomorrow...
$7.99 on iBooks versus $20.00 in print...
now, tell me again why i'm crazy for buying e-books...

there is also a new e-short about a Doom Eagles Storm Talon pilot...
Doom Flight, by Cavan Scott...
i don't know who he is...
might give him a read though...

cheers
jah

 jah-joshua wrote:
looks like Baneblade, by Guy Haley (ex White Dwarf editor), is coming out tomorrow...
$7.99 on iBooks versus $20.00 in print...
now, tell me again why i'm crazy for buying e-books...

there is also a new e-short about a Doom Eagles Storm Talon pilot...
Doom Flight, by Cavan Scott...
i don't know who he is...
might give him a read though...

cheers
jah

I love the eBooks. I picked up the two tau short stories today: both are significantly longer than I expected, so this is a good sign. Some of the previous "short stories" were maybe 8 pages long. Each one of these is over 30.

Oh "Imperial Truth"? Sounds fun, mayb...

Limited edition novella

Nevermind

I would just like to make an observation on my current situation ref the hardback and limited ed that BL has been focusing on recently.

I haven't bought a BL bought since this has started. Not one. And here's the funny bit - I have got out of the habit, just like I did with Ghost books when they went hardback. Too long a wait between them meant I lost interest.

Here's the kicker - with not having bought a book, the constant GW price increases on codex and army books etc has sort of keep me out of the GW universe. I wasn't playing much anyway as not a fan of 6th or 8th but I was still in the GW universe via BL. I haven't bought anything from a GW store (except trading stuff in) in 5 or 6 months.

Well, now I don't play at all and this month made the big decision. I am in the process of dumping all my GW stuff. I have broken two armies and have two more to go. By the time i have finished I will have some FW stuff and a few models for fun painting and that is that.

I just didn't realize how it seemed to be that BL was keeping so connected to the game.

Now I have some Romans + Wild West to focus on and finish but my main focus has gone to military modelling.

 Manchu wrote:
The ambiguity is I'm sure intentional. On one hand, they're marketing exclusivity. On the other, they don't want to make a promise not to reprint the stories 18 months from now.

As is often said of GW, I love BL and cannot understand why BL hates me.

Because they hate their fans, almost as much as they hate making money.

Seems so. From NY Time Best Seller to ... what, there's a new one? And I can read it in nearly a year? No, nevermind.

Manchu wrote:

a new event-exclusive short story anthology

Ah, fething hell.

Seconded.

It's a nice cover (if probably not helping with the astartes-height myth), but god have I given up on BL...

jah-joshua wrote:could go either way, Alph...
all i know, is that i'm looking forward to the White Scars in action at the siege, or anywhere else for that matter...
a nice hefty, 450 page, novel of Mongolian biker action...

cheers
jah

IIRC Chris Wraight's set to do a Scars novel.

Buy the electronic version if you want it earlier than the mass market paperback.

Pretty simple.

 cincydooley wrote:
Buy the electronic version if you want it earlier than the mass market paperback.

Pretty simple.

Can you get the ebooks if you don't have an apple product?

It wouldn't really affect me as the only thing I find more annoying than a $40 book in the wrong format is an ebook but it might be useful to know..

 jonolikespie wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Buy the electronic version if you want it earlier than the mass market paperback.

Pretty simple.

Can you get the ebooks if you don't have an apple product?

It wouldn't really affect me as the only thing I find more annoying than a $40 book in the wrong format is an ebook but it might be useful to know..

BL ebooks are not just for iBooks, they have multiple file formats that you can download. I've got Like 5 or 6 HH books on my Kindle Fire.

I just stopped buying them because the paperbacks in real life were cheaper than the ebooks from BL

The thing is, BL products aren't A Song of Fire and Fire or Harry Potter. These are huge book series that you can screw around with hardcover releases first and trade paperback later because of their popularity. You'll get huge sales regardless and have a very dedicated reader base. BL, while its had an increase in sales, is still nowhere near this level and doesn't have the luxury to do this. Which is why they're killing themselves. Of course GW is into self-deprecation, so not surprising.

 Harriticus wrote:
The thing is, BL products aren't A Song of Fire and Fire or Harry Potter. These are huge book series that you can screw around with hardcover releases first and trade paperback later because of their popularity. You'll get huge sales regardless and have a very dedicated reader base. BL, while its had an increase in sales, is still nowhere near this level and doesn't have the luxury to do this. Which is why they're killing themselves. Of course GW is into self-deprecation, so not surprising.

Exactly. We haven't seen anything on the NY times bestseller list since this switch, it's simply not popular enough to warrant this kind of thing.

On a related note the battle bunker nearish to me (yes, apparently those are still things in some areas) posted on facebook they will only be getting in 50 copies of mark of calth. I had a good laugh at that since they still haven't sold out of the hardback versions of betrayer and angel exterminus at my local GW.

What would be interesting is seeing the difference in sales since the switch to the ridiculous hardback/trade/mass market issue - seeing how many people are waiting for the MMPB publication.

 farmersboy wrote:
What would be interesting is seeing the difference in sales since the switch to the ridiculous hardback/trade/mass market issue - seeing how many people are waiting for the MMPB publication.

Amazon (US) sells the large trade paperbacks for only about 50 cents to a US dollar more than the mass market ones when they get released, so if size is not an issue (or maybe if it is) there' no huge savings to be had by waiting for the mass market version, the trade paperback is economical when discounted. They apparently have a large mark-up unlike the mass market versions, so the discounts are deep.

Example:
http://www.amazon.com/Betrayer-Horus-Heresy-Aaron-Dembski-Bowden/dp/1849703892/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365986053&sr=8-1&keywords=betrayer+horus+heresy

 BrassScorpion wrote:
Amazon (US) sells the large trade paperbacks for only about 50 cents to a US dollar more than the mass market ones when they get released, so if size is not an issue (or maybe if it is) there' no huge savings to be had by waiting for the mass market version, the trade paperback is economical when discounted. They apparently have a large mark-up unlike the mass market versions, so the discounts are deep.

Example:
http://www.amazon.com/Betrayer-Horus-Heresy-Aaron-Dembski-Bowden/dp/1849703892/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365986053&sr=8-1&keywords=betrayer+horus+heresy

The only issue I have with the trade PB is the size - why are they larger? I fail to see the point of making the book bigger and the text slightly larger - it makes them more awkward to hold and they can't be slipped into a pocket like MMPB's can. Of course, anyone who had a large library of their own at home now have a handful of larger paperbacks in amongst the hundreds of normal size books.

Someone within BL commented this in regards to the hardback issue, which may reassure some:

someone wrote:To be honest, they are implementing changes like that because it keeps the line healthy and successful and allows us to continue. A lot of people WANT hardback versions, and the trades are really useful in the GW stores (as opposed to bookstores). There'll still be the 'regular' editions too, but of course the releases of the formats have to be staggered. It's just a book company being very smart in a very difficult marketplace and strengthening itself (by supplying product to fit every niche and the demands of different types of fan) so it can continue to thrive and publish. I was myself slightly dismayed when I first heard what they were going to do, because it sounded so fething money-grabbing, but when the head of BL patiently explained the way the different sales curves worked in each market and product type, I realised it made great sense and actually trying to meet the needs of as many fans and readers as poss. Rather than, you know, just trying to screw everybody with their pants on for extra dosh.

Just my opinion, but maybe if you didn't see it as so 'wicked' you might feel less disenfranchised.

I'm pretty sure it is a moneygrab - which they are, of course, entitled to do!

I'm curious as to whether or not it is actually working as they intended.

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm pretty sure it is a moneygrab - which they are, of course, entitled to do!

I'm curious as to whether or not it is actually working as they intended.

I agree. I can understand it from a business perspective and can fully appreciate wanting to cater for all customers.

Although, personally, I did feel the latter part is undermined somewhat by the 1-week's policy and the limited editions.

Who are these people who wanted hardbacks? Did they also want people who don't want hardbacks to wait through mismatched trade paperbacks before, hopefully one day, seeing a mass market version?

Sorry but whoever posted that is willfully deluded.

Black Library:
Harder to find books.
Take longer to come out.
Kept secret until release.

The idea that people could see this as a good thing is confusing.

Well, he knows more than we do (and was referring to the hardback policy only, I think) and is far from willfully deluded. Although I'm still not reassured, myself.