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its not "white" privilege, then is it.

its THE MAJORITY privilege,
not something race based, but something based on strict #'s where by the thing that is done by the MOST people in a given area is considered "normal"

to call it out as "white" privilege is whats racist, as it 100% does imply its a "white" problem/issue and not something that happens everywhere there is a distinct majority.

so use the proper term, the proper term is "majority privilege",

and yes, it is more of a problem in other countries, then it is in canada/states/uk/europe... so stop acting like the west is the worst for it, because its not.

It is also true that the "privilege" white people get in a predominantly Caucasian country is less than the reverse, the "privilege" other races have when they are the majority in a particular country/region.

If your Chinese girlfriend feels everything is so equal how come First Nations people are segregated, given poor land during their treaty agreements, are given substandard education and often the natural resources they do possess on their property mostly goes to the government?

 Cheesecat wrote:
Why is it racist to point out that white people don't experience racism as harshly as other races in general (at least in Canada and the US)?

It isn't.

 easysauce wrote:
you are in effect, calling every Caucasian a racist

No, he's not.

White Privilege is not a conscious conspiracy; it's a condition of life in the United States (and maybe elsewhere) under which a person is likely to enjoy advantages because they are white AND, importantly, also less likely to recognize those advantages as matter of race because the condition itself is considered normative by them and sometimes also non-whites.

 easysauce wrote:

its not "white" privilege, then is it.

its THE MAJORITY privilege,
not something race based, but something based on strict #'s where by the thing that is done by the MOST people in a given area is considered "normal"

to call it out as "white" privilege is whats racist, as it 100% does imply its a "white" problem/issue and not something that happens everywhere there is a distinct majority.

so use the proper term, the proper term is "majority privilege",

and yes, it is more of a problem in other countries, then it is in canada/states/uk/europe... so stop acting like the west is the worst for it, because its not.

I've never said the west was the worst with racism now you're just making things up, but if I'm going to talk about racism it's going to be from a Canadian/US perspective as that's what I'm most familiar with plus it's way too exhausting talking about the different types of racism from all

189-196 countries. The reason "white" is used in "white privilege" is because it's a term that applies to Canada and the US (and I assume many European countries as well as Australia and New Zealand) as that's who is the privileged race is in those countries so India, Japan, Nigeria,

etc would probably have have a different term for the privileged races(s) in their society.

she feels that giving natives, free land, free money, and the same education + much more scholarships and cheaper post secondary is actually an advantage.... especially seeing as how its been 200 years since their race was basically wiped out.

no argument that they got a raw deal when 99% of their population was wiped out during colonialism, and all their land was conquered.

but thats how it goes, you lose the war, you LOSE THE WAR...
not fair, not nice, not relevant, its WAR, and everyones dead who did all that.


but right now, yes they have it BETTER then other canadians, because of free money, free land, more education grants/opportunities.. and they are not forced to live on the reserve anymore, so dont play that card, they have every opportunity that anyone else has.

they also get preferential treatment when applying for government, police, and basically any other jobs.

in fact, there are jobs, that ONLY natives are allowed to apply for.. I know, I wanted one of them to pay my way through school (OFC i couldnt get it, cause no whitey's allowed is ok for some reason)

when you get thousands of dollars a month, in addition to your income, guaranteed housing, and (basically) free education, and preferential treatment for job selection, and STILL cant get it together, it might be time to stop blaming "whitey"

I know plenty of well adjusted natives and all of them say no one is stopping them from integrating except themselves...

they chastise the "get off out land and go back to where you came" attitude that is all to common with natives, and is just as out of place in this day an age as telling that to a person of colour.

all these hand outs are doing as much, if not more, harm then good.


do the celts get free money/cheaper education in england?

do the gauls get that in france?

do the moors have to keep paying the spanish reparations for invading southern spain all that time ago?

Yeah, I agree that the laws involving natives are incredibly out of date and have done much more harm than good, but on the other hand I don't really know how to make things better with them I guess some possible things are to put more resources and incentives into their schools and

more ownership of their resources (it is their land after all).

Manchu wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
Why is it racist to point out that white people don't experience racism as harshly as other races in general (at least in Canada and the US)?

It isn't.

 easysauce wrote:
you are in effect, calling every Caucasian a racist

No, he's not.

White Privilege is not a conscious conspiracy; it's a condition of life in the United States (and maybe elsewhere) under which a person is likely to enjoy advantages because they are white AND, importantly, also less likely to recognize those advantages as matter of race because the condition itself is considered normative by them and sometimes also non-whites.

yes, he is,
tell me,

what advantages do white people enjoy?

if someone treats me better because I am white, is that not racist?

you two are saying that

"all white people have white privilege, because white people treat other white preferentially, even if its subconsciously. "

so ok, he might be technically calling all white people "sub conscious" racists, but the point still stands. (and OBS I dont think he actually thinks that every white person is racist, im just trying to get him to see that so called "reverse" racism is actually a much bigger problem then he thinks, as per his earlier comment)

 Cheesecat wrote:
My ability to feel sorry for white people who feel they're being persecuted due to their race is close to zero, this article is a non-issue to me.

which, had it referred to anyone but white people, would be considered "racist", and it IS racist, except that what we have now is a society of "reverse racist privilege" where its OK and acceptable to harbor racist attitudes towards white people, because they are, after all, umm white and stuff.

you cannot claim on one hand, that all white people get white privilege, which is preferential treatment of whites,
which is discriminatory against all non whites,

and then claim you are not implying that all those privileged people involved are racist... or sub consciously racist.

that is the very definition of racism, treating another group better/worse specifically because of race.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Why? You come to our contry, you learn our customs and dont say "I dont like the way you do this, CHANGE IT IT SCARES ME" the fact that my school offers the graduation exam in spanish is just stupid IMO

I'm pretty sure learning is why people go to school. There is no need to cloud the issue with your own political agenda. Teachers have a job to do. If this method allows them to do their job more effectively then why not? Why would you want to be less effective?

How well immigrants integrate is a separate issue. Though I doubt giving them a less effective education than you need to, on purpose, would help with that. People with more knowledge and better prospects generally integrate better.

Also the article even gives an example "In America we eat sandwiches, do you have something like that?". That sounds to me like people learning about our(your) culture. Which is what you wanted right? Where is the issue here?

 easysauce wrote:
if someone treats me better because I am white, is that not racist?

Sure but I thought you were referring to "racist" in the sense of an insult since you are acting so offended. White privilege is not necessarily conscious and in that sense it's not what we usually call "racist" in the insulting sense. Participating in/benefiting from white privilege does not mean white people consciously or even subconsciously hold the view that white people are superior or that non-whites should be treated poorly. Again, white privilege is primarily a condition rather than some kind of ideology -- although it does describe what is normative for many white people in terms of world view.

 easysauce wrote:
you cannot claim that all white people get white privilege

White privilege is not a guarantee that every particular white person will always have a better result; just that being white itself makes a better result more likely as against not being white.

And, as I mentioned, real ignorance of a privilege (as opposed to contrived) is itself the highest embodiment of privilege.

This thread requires less posts containing semantically based logical fallacies on social constructs, and more on good British cuisine.

Manchu wrote:
And, as I mentioned, real ignorance of a privilege (as opposed to contrived) is itself the highest embodiment of privilege.

LOL.

 d-usa wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
This story is over a year old:

Created on Thursday, 06 September 2012 01:00

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/114604-schools-beat-the-drum-for-equity


Do we not have anything new to be upset about?

Clearly none of us had heard about it. Keep practicing your mini mod there D, you're working miracles.

I could have sworn that we had a thread here about it, but my search has left me empty.

Doesn't change the whole "why is a random blogger pissed today and talking about stupid gak that happened 14 months ago" question though. Must be a slow "sucks to be white" news day for them.

Honestly I want to know what this " white privilege " thing I keep hearing about is. I'm a white man..... but I certainly don't feel like I have privilege over other races. Am I being shafted here?

Because I'm totally sure that a lot more students can relate to a torta or pita rather than a PB&J, I mean who eats those things anyway?

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
This story is over a year old:

Created on Thursday, 06 September 2012 01:00

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/114604-schools-beat-the-drum-for-equity


Do we not have anything new to be upset about?

Clearly none of us had heard about it. Keep practicing your mini mod there D, you're working miracles.

I could have sworn that we had a thread here about it, but my search has left me empty.

Doesn't change the whole "why is a random blogger pissed today and talking about stupid gak that happened 14 months ago" question though. Must be a slow "sucks to be white" news day for them.

Honestly I want to know what this " white privilege " thing I keep hearing about is. I'm a white man..... but I certainly don't feel like I have privilege over other races. Am I being shafted here?

We must have missed the boat. I never got my free college cause i'm white card. Did you?

Manchu wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
if someone treats me better because I am white, is that not racist?

Sure but I thought you were referring to "racist" in the sense of an insult since you are acting so offended. White privilege is not necessarily conscious and in that sense it's not what we usually call "racist" in the insulting sense. Participating in/benefiting from white privilege does not mean white people consciously or even subconsciously hold the view that white people are superior or that non-whites should be treated poorly. Again, white privilege is primarily a condition rather than some kind of ideology -- although it does describe what is normative for many white people in terms of world view.

 easysauce wrote:
you cannot claim that all white people get white privilege

White privilege is not a guarantee that every particular white person will always have a better result; just that being white itself makes a better result more likely as against not being white.

And, as I mentioned, real ignorance of a privilege (as opposed to contrived) is itself the highest embodiment of privilege.

thats only true in an all or mostly white system, and even then, its not really always true... take the irish for example... gonna tell them the English gave them "white privilege"? or the Americans when they first arrived?
Its also assuming that all white people people will perform this subconscious preferential treatment, or act out on their so called condition, which is in fact a stereotype, and at best is saying people can help but be sub consciously racist or have this condition, like its a lame leg or something.

it is not a condition, it was conditioned IE taught, and it can, and was, untaught to most people in the western world.

there was a time when the whole world accepted slavery, there were african, greek, american and so on slave traders alike. Gradually, people got less stupid, and we had freedom due to lots of "uppity types" that fought for it.

the last hundred years or so, at least in the western world, most of the planet actually, a lot has changed. People are not as prejudiced in general, and its the exception, not the "privilege" or normal course of action, when someone is treated better or worse based on race.
the fact is, there are laws making up "minority only" things, while there are no "whites only" signs up in the western world, nor have there been for quite some time.

so yes, the idea of it being an "absolute" thing is still racist, and it implies that all white people are the same (see how this might cause issues with scoots/irish ect lol), or even people in general, are always going to be "subconsciously" or racist with a bias towards whatever local flavor of skin happens to be the majority.



And im not taking offense,or worried about anyone "insulting" me just want to debate , and I am concerned with the portrayal of modern society as still being something it just is not anymore.


im just explaining why the idea of a "white privilege" in the western world, in THIS day and age, as an absolute truth, is not true, and cases of it are the exception now, not the rule.

The countries where women have no rights, and certain religions or certain ethnic groups are cleansed, are the ones still stuck in the past. THOSE are the countries where this kind of society wide race based or religion based privileges are still the norm.

but most of the world generally has moved past it, and will continue to do so despite any racist arseholes that want to keep being racist arseholes.


maybe its just that some people are ignorant, that the privileges granted from being born into a good, hardworking family, with a mum and dad who loved you and would do ANYTHING for you... are not the privilege granted by their skin


TLDR

cant have racist skin privileges without racists: or how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.



edit to add picture


mmmm marmalade

it can solve racism, marmalade toast for EVERYONE!

 KingCracker wrote:


Honestly I want to know what this " white privilege " thing I keep hearing about is. I'm a white man..... but I certainly don't feel like I have privilege over other races. Am I being shafted here?

I suggest you get on the phone to your senator and insist that you are not receiving your privilege allotted to you rightly as a white man. Disgraceful.

I hate this thread , every time I think of "Peanut butter jelly time" I start thinking about privilege and crap. Disgraceful.

I want my allocated university degree , I also need to update my "white privilege" card.

Privilege as a concept seems so subjective , but weirdly I have yet to hear about yellow privilege - Asian people don't seem to have such a large guilt fetish as whiteys.

I'm just sick and tired of the insinuations I should feel guilty because I'm white. It's bullcrap.

Honestly, the entire article is so mindblowingly moronic that I'm not even going to bother trying to criticize it. It falls apart on its own legs perfectly well.

~Tim?

 Ketara wrote:
This thread requires less posts containing semantically based logical fallacies on social constructs, and more on good British cuisine.

You gonna share those fries?

What is a fries?

 djones520 wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
This story is over a year old:

Created on Thursday, 06 September 2012 01:00

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/114604-schools-beat-the-drum-for-equity


Do we not have anything new to be upset about?

Clearly none of us had heard about it. Keep practicing your mini mod there D, you're working miracles.

I could have sworn that we had a thread here about it, but my search has left me empty.

Doesn't change the whole "why is a random blogger pissed today and talking about stupid gak that happened 14 months ago" question though. Must be a slow "sucks to be white" news day for them.

Honestly I want to know what this " white privilege " thing I keep hearing about is. I'm a white man..... but I certainly don't feel like I have privilege over other races. Am I being shafted here?

We must have missed the boat. I never got my free college cause i'm white card. Did you?

Me neither... I was given that your gak out of luck card with regards to college. I'm paying every-cent.


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 djones520 wrote:
I'm just sick and tired of the insinuations I should feel guilty because I'm white. It's bullcrap.

This. x1000!

You guys dont see it. You see, The JElly, which is often Black, and the Peanut Butter is often brown, signyfying hispanics. They are sandwiched by two pieces of WHITE bread, signifying the oppression of Blacks and Hispanic.
You guys better check your privilege

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
You guys dont see it. You see, The JElly, which is often Black, and the Peanut Butter is often brown, signyfying hispanics. They are sandwiched by two pieces of WHITE bread, signifying the oppression of Blacks and Hispanic.
You guys better check your privilege

What if the PB&J is made with wheat bread? Is it hispanics oppressing blacks and hispanics then?

No, the wheat bread is just tanned white people.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
No, the wheat bread is just tanned white people.

Oh, New Jersians. No wonder I don't like wheat bread.

What a train wreck

 Smacks wrote:
What is a fries?

Chips you blasted Saxon.

Chips = Saxon ?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
You guys dont see it. You see, The JElly, which is often Black, and the Peanut Butter is often brown, signyfying hispanics. They are sandwiched by two pieces of WHITE bread, signifying the oppression of Blacks and Hispanic.
You guys better check your privilege

Awesome post. Have an exalt.
So a pastie is asians oppressing the contents , and dark rye bred is "uncle toms" giving it to the darky underclass, I have never truly understood privilege but now i do.

I'm off to the local uni to give them a big talk on why they should fear the pastie in the coming years. Hopefully it will be on the menu so I can have a visual aid in my long and most likely esoteric monologue.

FEAR THE PASTIE - also a British isles food