so what has changed in 7th?

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**Sir Arun**

Byte wrote:
So much for all the rage about Escalation and Stronghold Assault being included in the rulebook.

well they are - you can take any fortification (including void shields) or Lords of War.

I think the Ork codex is going to bring a super heavy walker.

**Byte**

Sir Arun wrote:
Byte wrote:
So much for all the rage about Escalation and Stronghold Assault being included in the rulebook.

well they are - you can take any fortification (including void shields) or Lords of War.

I think the Ork codex is going to bring a super heavy walker.

The angst was the two books would be rolled up in the rule book, making the two books bought individually a waste of money.

**Sir Arun**

GW being GW, they'd rather have you both both instead

**Fos Kenos**

Didn't notice if anyone mentioned this already, but...only 1 model per unit per phase can use a grenade.
This, with tougher vehicles and universal scoring are definitely gonna make me and my horde of killa kanz happy (baring new codex nerfing, anyway).

**Byte**

Fos Kenos wrote:
Didn't notice if anyone mentioned this already, but...only 1 model per unit per phase can use a grenade.
This, with tougher vehicles and universal scoring are definitely gonna make me and my horde of killa kanz happy (baring new codex nerfing, anyway).

One model per unit can throw one shooty grenade(krak,haywire). All models can assault with one attack each with the appropriate assault grenade(krak, melta, haywire).

What's the change?

**Sir Arun**

Wait so 6 Fire dragons now can only either:

A) Fire all their meltaguns and then assault with 1 melta bomb

or

B) twiddle their thumbs during the shooting phase and Assault with 6 melta bombs?

I guess they are the only unit in the meta really affected by this, right? AFAIK there arent many other units that have great anti-tank shooting AND great anti-tank grenade capability, so all the others can just shrug and not fire at the target with their puny guns and just assault it with all their grenades instead.

On hindsight Fire Dragons were indeed overpowered in 6th....being able to shoot all their fusion guns at a monstrous creature AND then charge it and finish it off with a shedload of S8 AP1 close combat attacks (1 per guy) at the high Initiative 5 meant they could easily be considered a monstrous creature by their own right.

**Byte**

Sir Arun wrote:
Wait so 6 Fire dragons now can only either:

A) Fire all their meltaguns and then assault with 1 melta bomb

or

B) twiddle their thumbs during the shooting phase and Assault with 6 melta bombs?

I guess they are the only unit in the meta really affected by this, right? AFAIK there arent many other units that have great anti-tank shooting AND great anti-tank grenade capability, so all the others can just shrug and not fire at the target with their puny guns and just assault it with all their grenades instead.

On hindsight Fire Dragons were indeed overpowered in 6th....being able to shoot all their fusion guns at a monstrous creature AND then charge it and finish it off with a shedload of S8 AP1 close combat attacks (1 per guy) at the high Initiative 5 meant they could easily be considered a monstrous creature by their own right.

There's no change from 6th. It's exactly the same.

One model per unit can throw one shooty grenade(krak,haywire). All models can assault with one attack each with the appropriate assault grenade(krak, melta, haywire).

I'm not understanding your "revelation".

**Sir Arun**

I guess I misunderstoof Fos Kenos' comment

**Byte**

Sir Arun wrote:
I guess I misunderstoof Fos Kenos' comment

Yep, gotcha. I think he was confuzzled.

**Sir Arun**

How are Nid players going to deal with Imperial Knight armies, now that smash attacks have taken a serious beating?

I take it Tyrannofex and Zoanthrope spam is all that's left?

Maybe a Carnifex Brood with Crushing Claws...

**Kain**

Sir Arun wrote:
How are Nid players going to deal with Imperial Knight armies, now that smash attacks have taken a serious beating?

I take it Tyrannofex and Zoanthrope spam is all that's left?

Maybe a Carnifex Brood with Crushing Claws...

Rupture Cannon Tyrannofexes were bad in 5th edition when they had a one in three chance of killing a vehicle on a penetrating hit, they were bad in 6th edition when that chance was cut in half (thus forcing them to rely on hull point stripping), and they are even worse in 7th now that they can only kill a vehicle by HP stripping.

Haywire is going to be the most reliable Tyranid anti-vehicle shooting, utilizing psychic powers is a bit wonky, especially since Psychic lances have taken such a huge hit (first they were downgraded from AP1 to AP2, then they were slapped by the new chart and then found that warp lance is harder to get off, and brotherhood of psykers turned out to be a secret nerf that puts a dampener on the dice you can put into shooting with them) any Tyranid weapon that relied on penetrating armor to kill a vehicle has been pretty much rendered useless by the new chart since they were all AP4.

In melee, crushing claw carnifexes, tervigons (though not really with their terrible WS and weight of attack per point) and tyrant guard are the last Tyranids who are good in melee against vehicles unless you want to blow your points on a ridiculously overpriced character build where you dump the Reaper, Adrenal Glands, and Ymgarl mutations on one model and then cry yourself to sleep when you realize you're spending an absurd number of points for a mediocre beatstick. Rending claw+adrenal glands warriors and genestealers I suppose can work...but that's an awful lot of points to pay for painful mediocrity. And it'd be crap against Knights anyway.

Which is a shame, because it means that awesome diorama of an ultramarine coloured Imperial Knight vs a Hive Fleet Behemoth Trygon is now not the evenly matched pacific rim style epic duel the diorama suggests, but an utterly one sided curb-stomp.

So yeah, get your crones and shockgrub tyrants ready and get ready for another round of "assaulty armies having to be mostly shooty if they want to win."

**Sir Arun**

So are Catacomb Command Barges ridiculously broken now?

AV 13 quantum shielding

melta hits can be allocated to T5 Necron Lord by Necron player instead of vehicle

Necron Lord's 3++ phase shifter works on vehicle too

Reanimation Protocols brings back barge

If Lord has Res Orb, it'll be brought back on a 4+ each time it is wrecked...

like what the hell