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2014/11/17 13:21:42
Subject: Re:If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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My money would be on Dorn or Robot Guillemot. Dorn for his pride and arrogance and Guilliman for his ambition and lofty vision. Both held the charisma and capacity for leadership.
Sanguinius has always been portrayed as the most angelic, the closest to the Emperor's vision, the 'soul' of the primarchs.
As to Abby, if you think the Primarchs, any of them, would have bended knee to a mere astartes, or that any now do, you're tripping. He petitions them for aid now, within the Eye and would not have secured their loyalty or service during their living time.
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2014/11/17 16:55:57
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Guilliman, as the Codex proves...he already had delusions of power.
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2014/11/17 16:56:55
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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Poly Ranger wrote:Which Primarchs now follow Abaddon? Angron who doesn't care anymore as long as he gets to shed blood for khorne? No-one else.
So who else would you have picked out of the traitors then over Fulgrim and why?
Talon of horus specifically states that every traitor primarch was made to bend the knee to Abbadon.
Magnus in particular was FORCED to kneel to Abbadon.
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2014/11/17 17:19:14
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Of course, as every living traitor Primarch we know of is a Daemon (Magnus, Angron, Mortarion, Lorgar, Fulgrim, Perturabo) Prince. And as a Daemon, they are subject to the whims of the Patron. And you apparently can't have a Daemon Prince of Undivided.
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2014/11/17 21:45:28
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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Ok fair enough. Still, which traitor primarch would you have picked after Horus?
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2014/11/18 03:05:51
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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MarsNZ wrote:Poly Ranger wrote:If you take out all the loyalists, it HAS to be Fulgrim. There is nobody else that all the traitors would have followed or would have had the charisma to lead the heresy.
He was looked upon with disdain by many other traitors and led one of the smallest legions. I doubt even half the traitors would follow him
And yet, in the 41st millenium, they do just that.
Primarchs follow Abaddon? I don't think so.
Lorgar sits praying at his tower, occasionally coming up with something useful
Magnus sits in his tower, doing who knows what. He sacked the Fang and that was about it
Kurze is dead
Who knows what Fulgrim is doing
Mortarion's ruling a plague planet
Angron made his own crusade and took some heads
Perturabo helped Abaddon once in the 10th Black Crusade, opening a portal or something
Alpharius and Omegon, who the hell knows what they're doing
Poly Ranger wrote:I completely agree, which is why I said if you take out all the loyalists.
Who would you pick out of the traitors?
Out of the traitors? That's a toughie. Magnus maybe? But then the traitors would be different, Mortarion and Angron hate psykers.
Charisma and a tactician is what the traitors would need I'm guessing. Alpharius and Omegon were too green for their brothers
I can't say out of the traitors, the only thing holding them together was hatred for the Emperor (in general, god dam alpha legion)
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2014/11/18 10:44:35
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Seriously?
Like 2 posts above yours 
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2014/11/18 18:14:53
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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 blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:MarsNZ wrote:Poly Ranger wrote:If you take out all the loyalists, it HAS to be Fulgrim. There is nobody else that all the traitors would have followed or would have had the charisma to lead the heresy.
He was looked upon with disdain by many other traitors and led one of the smallest legions. I doubt even half the traitors would follow him
And yet, in the 41st millenium, they do just that.
Primarchs follow Abaddon? I don't think so.
Lorgar sits praying at his tower, occasionally coming up with something useful
Magnus sits in his tower, doing who knows what. He sacked the Fang and that was about it
Kurze is dead
Who knows what Fulgrim is doing
Mortarion's ruling a plague planet
Angron made his own crusade and took some heads
Perturabo helped Abaddon once in the 10th Black Crusade, opening a portal or something
Alpharius and Omegon, who the hell knows what they're doing
Poly Ranger wrote:I completely agree, which is why I said if you take out all the loyalists.
Who would you pick out of the traitors?
Out of the traitors? That's a toughie. Magnus maybe? But then the traitors would be different, Mortarion and Angron hate psykers.
Charisma and a tactician is what the traitors would need I'm guessing. Alpharius and Omegon were too green for their brothers
I can't say out of the traitors, the only thing holding them together was hatred for the Emperor (in general, god dam alpha legion)
The Chaos gods tried corrupting Magnus and without the ploy they pulled with the already corrupted Horus I doubt he'd turn.
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2014/11/18 22:07:05
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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The reason Horus was the number one pick for Chaos was that he was a great leader that many of the other primarchs would rally behind. In other words he could keep the entire force together long enough to actually hit Terra.
Other than Guilliman, who wouldn't have turned, no one else comes close to having that ability.
So, if Horus had died instead the next logical thing would be for Chaos to turn the others on an individual basis. The loyalist legions would have had their hands full fighting 1 vs 1 battles and the Imperium would still have been torn apart.
However, the Emperor would have survived.
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2014/11/19 02:22:41
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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clively wrote:The reason Horus was the number one pick for Chaos was that he was a great leader that many of the other primarchs would rally behind. In other words he could keep the entire force together long enough to actually hit Terra.
Other than Guilliman, who wouldn't have turned, no one else comes close to having that ability.
So, if Horus had died instead the next logical thing would be for Chaos to turn the others on an individual basis. The loyalist legions would have had their hands full fighting 1 vs 1 battles and the Imperium would still have been torn apart.
However, the Emperor would have survived.
I think Assholetep would have something to say about that.
"Hey, Assholethep what are you doing with that tachyon arrow."
"Just trying something. Watch."
And so Assholethep shot the tachyon arrow way into the past and into the Emperor's back, who had just finished Horus off without a scratch and would have led humanity into a new and golden age of prosperity.
What an donkey-cave.
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Assholetep
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2014/11/19 02:54:40
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
Vancouver, BC
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MarsNZ wrote: blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:
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Poly Ranger wrote:I completely agree, which is why I said if you take out all the loyalists.
Who would you pick out of the traitors?
Out of the traitors? That's a toughie. Magnus maybe? But then the traitors would be different, Mortarion and Angron hate psykers.
Charisma and a tactician is what the traitors would need I'm guessing. Alpharius and Omegon were too green for their brothers
I can't say out of the traitors, the only thing holding them together was hatred for the Emperor (in general, god dam alpha legion)
The Chaos gods tried corrupting Magnus and without the ploy they pulled with the already corrupted Horus I doubt he'd turn.
I agree, it's just out of the traitors, that's who I'd say could be next, the others are too crazy or cold. I mean Horus wouldn't have turned either if he wasn't stabbed and close to death and in a voodoo lodge, just takes certain circumstances. I'm sure Tzeentch would've planned something
clively wrote:The reason Horus was the number one pick for Chaos was that he was a great leader that many of the other primarchs would rally behind. In other words he could keep the entire force together long enough to actually hit Terra.
Other than Guilliman, who wouldn't have turned, no one else comes close to having that ability.
So, if Horus had died instead the next logical thing would be for Chaos to turn the others on an individual basis. The loyalist legions would have had their hands full fighting 1 vs 1 battles and the Imperium would still have been torn apart.
However, the Emperor would have survived.
Personally I don't believe Guilliman would have made a good successor, he was disliked by too many (Lorgar, Alpharius, etc.)
However he almost did try and create an Imperium pt 2.
Toughie, but I'm starting to see why Guilliman would be considered
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2014/11/20 21:19:43
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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 Deadshot wrote:Of course, as every living traitor Primarch we know of is a Daemon (Magnus, Angron, Mortarion, Lorgar, Fulgrim, Perturabo) Prince. And as a Daemon, they are subject to the whims of the Patron. And you apparently can't have a Daemon Prince of Undivided.
You can, some random Astartes from the Night Lords is a DP of Chaos Undivided.
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2014/11/20 23:08:09
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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 Psienesis wrote: Deadshot wrote:Of course, as every living traitor Primarch we know of is a Daemon (Magnus, Angron, Mortarion, Lorgar, Fulgrim, Perturabo) Prince. And as a Daemon, they are subject to the whims of the Patron. And you apparently can't have a Daemon Prince of Undivided.
You can, some random Astartes from the Night Lords is a DP of Chaos Undivided.
Sarcasm bro, as GW have taken the line on the tabletop that an Undivided Prince cannot exist. Which sokewhat makes sense I suppose. Unless they did something spectacular like offer the bones of the Emperor himself, no way would the 4 Gods agree to share his loyalty in raising him to DP status. Khorne hates Slaanesh Tzeentch, Tzeentch and Nurgle hate each other and Slaanesh hates Khorne.
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2014/11/23 16:04:51
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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The Chaos gods wanted Sanguinus badly! My guess would be him..
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2014/11/26 05:59:59
Subject: Re:If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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Angron or lorgar
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2014/12/02 10:32:00
Subject: Re:If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
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They would not have been able to rally the other Primarchs to the cause.
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2014/12/07 01:07:14
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:Sanguinius because they need someone who is universally liked (like Horus, with a few exceptions) so that they could pull more primarchs to their side.
They tried to turn Sanguinius several times but failed, the gene flaw affected his sons far more than it did him. He is stated as being the wisest primarch and extremely pure of spirit I don't believe they would have succeeded in corrupting him at all.
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2014/12/07 10:25:36
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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 Ugly Green Trog wrote: blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:Sanguinius because they need someone who is universally liked (like Horus, with a few exceptions) so that they could pull more primarchs to their side.
They tried to turn Sanguinius several times but failed, the gene flaw affected his sons far more than it did him. He is stated as being the wisest primarch and extremely pure of spirit I don't believe they would have succeeded in corrupting him at all.
I don't know if Sanguinius would have been corruptable or not, but I'm saying that's who they would have tried for next. Whether or not they succeed, not up to me.
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2014/12/08 03:13:29
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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Lion had the ambition and abilities.
After that Lorgar, but while he had the ability, I just can't see others following him.
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2014/12/08 07:44:29
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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I believe It's unlikely any of the Primarchs would have been chosen in Horus' stead. Had Horus died on the moon of Davin, the entire plan to overthrow the Emperor would have to be altered and delayed -- because the other best candidates had either not been influence by Chaos, or had been busy no establishing relationships with other Primarchs, and that point.
Sanguinius showed strong resistance, if not outright immunity to the lure of Chaos (showed as he refused Horus' seduction during the assault of Horus' flagship), meaning he wouldn't have turned even if Chaos work their magic as soon as Horus died.
The Lion is of course, completely and utterly incorruptible; well, even if he wasn't as such, (but he was of course), Lion didn't seem to have the pull to order the traitor primarchs around, which is in fact, what the Gods of Chaos needed in someone who would have led the rebellion.
Guilliman is not completely incorruptible (like the Lion of course!), but even with the "new version" his character still lacks any significant motives to push him beyond that border, IMO.
The rest are either too independent, too stubborn, or too secluded to lead the rebellion. Regardless whether they can be corrupted in time or not. (Note that many Legions had already been influenced by Chaos at this point, the longer they wait, the more likely this ploy will be detected and dealt with.)
Still my vote goes to Lion, but only because he had some fluff suggesting he's the easiest to seduce amongst the three.
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2014/12/08 07:50:09
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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 raiden wrote:Magnus wouldn't have turned without Horus intervention. So he is out imo
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The lion is uncorrupted. And so he would have remained. There are no DA traitors. Why would you think that?... Here come sit and have some tea....
You forget the fallen...
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2014/12/11 23:49:51
Subject: Re:If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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I reckon Chaos would try to manipulate Konrad Curze (more specifically, the Night Haunter). Seeing as Curze was already bipolar and that the Night Haunter side of him was described as having been touched by Chaos since birth, it probably wouldn't take too much to get the Night Haunter to lead his own Heresy. Admittedly, M'Shen killed him, but it was Curze that allowed her to kill him so that he could be vindicated. If it was the Night Haunter's choice, he probably would've had M'shen killed on the spot.
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2014/12/12 00:21:35
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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 Chaos Rising wrote: raiden wrote:Magnus wouldn't have turned without Horus intervention. So he is out imo
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The lion is uncorrupted. And so he would have remained. There are no DA traitors. Why would you think that?... Here come sit and have some tea....
You forget the fallen...
That's the joke.
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2014/12/14 22:43:47
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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Magnus had already bartered with Tzeentch though long before Horus was corrupted. I think the damning of the thousand sons was sadly inevitable. Magnus while supremely intelligent, made the fatal mistake of assuming he knew everything.
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2014/12/15 22:14:38
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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Ugly Green Trog wrote:Magnus had already bartered with Tzeentch though long before Horus was corrupted. I think the damning of the thousand sons was sadly inevitable. Magnus while supremely intelligent, made the fatal mistake of assuming he knew everything.
Yea, Tzeentch had his eye on Magnus and his Thousand Sons from the very beginning. They would have been corrupted one way or another. It was their fate.
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2015/01/08 20:40:33
Subject: If Horus had died, which Primarch would Chaos have used next?
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The powers of chaos had already chosen Lorgar, but almost all of his brothers looked down upon him. Before his awakening (the moment he fully accepted the powers of chaos and his destiny) he was the least capable primarch in combat. Even to the point they ridiculed him 
Magnus was also more or less chosen. But for what purpose i do not realy know.
To enact the heresy/fall of the imperium/emperor they needed a primarch like Horus. One most/at least half would have followed into battle.
The only other primarchs capable of that role would have been Roboute Guilliman or Sanguinius IMO..... And Sanguinius being the best choice since he was loved by all his brothers
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